Compression testing?

Compression testing?

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Toaster Pilot

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14,619 posts

158 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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Borrowed a compression tester like this:



to see what's going on with my poorly 1.8T engine.

Only measured 50psi on all 4 cylinders - what am I doing wrong?! (or is it completely ducked?)

P924

1,272 posts

182 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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take out all 4 spark plugs
remove fuel pump fuse (optional)
screw in compression gauge
throttle wide open, engage starter (try to start car)
repeat a number of times until gauge doesn't move anymore
repeat on other cylinders.

if you do get a low reading on all cylinders, a little oil down the spark plug hole and retest. If new test shows a higher reading it's likely your rings are leaking.


Toaster Pilot

Original Poster:

14,619 posts

158 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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Did that (although I unplugged the injectors rather than removing the fuel pump fuse) - I haven't tried dripping a bit of oil down there yet though.

Toaster Pilot

Original Poster:

14,619 posts

158 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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Pretty sure it's drive by wire, is there some way I can prop open the throttle body ? scratchchin

Toaster Pilot

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158 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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Propped it open and still 50psi in all 4 irked

Locknut

653 posts

137 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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If you got the same reading with the throttle both open and closed, then either the throttle was not really open or it was not really closed. I suspect it was not open.

buzzer

3,543 posts

240 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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if it really had 50PSI on all 4 cylinders, it would be hard to start...

What are the symptoms?

Toaster Pilot

Original Poster:

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158 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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It's losing coolant from wherever it decides it can leak from - opinion of the breakdown guy was that it's building excess pressure in the cooling system due to head gasket failure and venting through any slightly weak point in the 196k mile old cooling system.

Trying to verify (going to do a sniff test tomorrow if the gear arrives)

buzzer

3,543 posts

240 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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I have had limited success with sniff tests....

take the coolant cap off... top the water up right to the top... get it hot... watch for a stream of bubbles... if there are (more than the odd one) is a sure sign of a gasket or crack somewhere...

MG CHRIS

9,083 posts

167 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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Sounds like hg failure to me, take it to a garage and get it tested via the emissions machine, they will hover the tester over the expansion cap if the hc shot up then hg fault. What happens is the exhaust gas mixes in with the coolant via the blown hg depending on where it has blown.
For it to be low on all 4 suggest blown hg between 1-2 and 3-4.

P924

1,272 posts

182 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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50 psi is very low. does the car start and run?

For all 4 cylinders to be at 50 psi is a little surprising. what engine is it?

crossy67

1,570 posts

179 months

Thursday 3rd April 2014
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If your hg has gone enough to be the cause of low compression you wouldn't need a compression test to tell you, you would be pissing water, oil and compressed gasses from very orifice. Sniff test will do the job. If you do have a compression problem it will only be through valves or ring/piston seals being poor. Unlikely that you'd get the same reading on all cylinders even if it was. I'd say you have a st tester or a leaking o-ring seal where it screws into the head.

Holding throttle open makes little difference to the final reading in my experience.

Toaster Pilot

Original Poster:

14,619 posts

158 months

Thursday 3rd April 2014
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It's a VAG 1.8T in an Audi A6.

Hoping the sniff tester is going to arrive this morning.

Evoluzione

10,345 posts

243 months

Thursday 3rd April 2014
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Have you got another engine you can test your equipment and method on?

Most engine faults usually show up as being unequal cylinder pressures which you don't seem to have.
It doesn't matter whether the throttle is opened or not as long as you are consistent - think about it, if air couldn't get in when the throttle was closed the engine wouldn't run.

Toaster Pilot

Original Poster:

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Thursday 3rd April 2014
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I could probably go and pick up another gauge and try it - wouldn't hurt to have one in the tool box for the future.

Sniff tester didn't arrive today, hopefully be here tomorrow irked

Toaster Pilot

Original Poster:

14,619 posts

158 months

Thursday 3rd April 2014
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Notice this looks very similar http://www.amazon.co.uk/Am-Tech-Automotive-Compres...

and there's a review saying it only showed 50psi on all cylinders whereas a better tester worked properly.

scratchchin

buzzer

3,543 posts

240 months

Thursday 3rd April 2014
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Toaster Pilot said:
Notice this looks very similar http://www.amazon.co.uk/Am-Tech-Automotive-Compres...

and there's a review saying it only showed 50psi on all cylinders whereas a better tester worked properly.

scratchchin
well spotted... that's what I like about Amazon as opposed to Ebay... the feedback facility on Amazon is great compared to the blind buying on Ebay!

its kind of why I have stopped buying cheap stuff... Spent hours a while ago diagnosing a fault after fitting 4 new coils to a Scenic... turns out that TWO of the new coils were faulty... Same with a Lambda sensor on a Ford, fitting a new one just introduced another intermittent fault...




Edited by buzzer on Thursday 3rd April 13:22

Toaster Pilot

Original Poster:

14,619 posts

158 months

Thursday 3rd April 2014
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I'll go out and buy my own tester later - looking at either http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/... which I like the look of because it's got lots of adaptors for lots of different vehicles or
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/...

I figure it's worth the extra £5 for the much increased flexibility.

Toaster Pilot

Original Poster:

14,619 posts

158 months

Thursday 3rd April 2014
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Bought the Clarke tester - 150ish across all 4 with a cold engine. More like it.

Will test again hot but the compression seems fine

Evoluzione

10,345 posts

243 months

Thursday 3rd April 2014
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Somebody must have forgotten to paint the 1 on the scale. whistle