UKIP - The Future - Volume 2

[TKF]

Guam said:

Careful you will trigger a flock of whoosh parrots, however let me help. you used A democratic deficit as an example to explain another democratic deficit, unless you believe two wrongs really do make a right the logic is somewhat flawed (at the very least).

And to pick Gordon Brown of all people was hilarious, his tutelage resulted in the near destruction of our economy, all whilst being appointed by his chums. The point others are making regarding the EU.

So yes the response of your post being a fail was bang on the money!

My point is that people want out of the EU so that we can do things "our way" because there is an "unelected" leadership. I was just saying "our way" is demonstrably no different.

No comments about their policies on gender equality and animal cruelty? Gotcha.

btw does anyone over the age of twelve use the phrase "epic fail"?

[TKF]

don4l said:

What makes you say that?

Commissioners are appointed by the member states. They are not elected.

And MEPs get to vote on whether their terms are extended or not.

[NicD]

Yes, it makes you think indeed.

[Bill]

Guam said:

pablo said:

Can someone who genuinely knows the answer confirm if UKIP MEPs vote against every EU directive proposed as a matter of party policy rather than vote based on each individual debate in its own context?

There have been two, somewhat innocuous debates I have been made aware of, which would in my opinion improve life in the UK for some had UKIP MEPs voted in favour of the motion, the two being to combat crimes against wildlife and the second being with regards to the design of HGVs to better aid driver visibility and improve the safety of motorists, cyclists and pedestrians, instead they chose to vote against....

Seems like a terrible waste to me, they could be doing a lot more to benefit the UK than they are at present, fortunately there are other more proactive EPs who voted in favour and the motions passed. Do UKIP supporters know that their preferred MEPs will vote against each and every EU motion presented as a matter of course? I understand their position on wanting to leave the EU even if I don't agree with it myself, but surely whilst they are MEPs, they should be doing what is best for the UK?

Edited by pablo on Tuesday 22 April 22:25

Thats actually a really good question, hopefully someone can answer it.

Indeed. As a floating voter with a tendency to protest votes (or spoiling my vote) is UKIP worth a vote? The EU is a vast, wasteful bureaucratic mess and I like the idea of causing mischief in Strasbourg and working from within to rock the system. However I'm not going to vote for people who vote against something as patently fair minded as equal pay unless it's done as a matter of routine.

Thus far, given the names aren't the same in each vote, it seems it's not routine.

There's also the question of whether, given they're in a voting block with Bulgarian and Italian nationalists, a vote for UKIP gives more airtime to other, less savoury parties. (And, yes, I know NF has recently slagged off the French FN.)

[carinaman]

I'd have Lizzy Vaid as an Aide too.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/04/22/ukip-li...

I wonder if she has a Devon accent, or mumbles like the cast of Jamaica Inn? I heard someone calling after their child earlier in the week. Seems the young girl was called Devon. If I had a daughter I could name her Dorset? 'We christened her Lincolnshire because her mother always liked a good sausage'?

Edited by carinaman on Wednesday 23 April 10:37

[don4l]

TKF said:

don4l said:

What makes you say that?

Commissioners are appointed by the member states. They are not elected.

And MEPs get to vote on whether their terms are extended or not.

Why are you changing the subject?

You said "The commission is elected by the MEPs".

Was that a mistake, or was it a deliberate lie?

[Bill]

Guam said:

Well thought out points Bill, given the grouping deals that are done, they may have to trade support on issues across the groupings. I have no idea on how the mechanics work on that, I guess I will need to find out. I imagine vote trading is common in these groups in order to get support for each members priorities.

It's a conundrum. How far does the idea of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" extend.

[mrpurple]

I think NF is playing a blinder and the MSM are falling for it hook line and sinker.

Turned the telly on last night:

NF defends UKIP posters that some consider racist..headlines ITV news @ 10.

NF employs German wife............headlines BBC 10 pm news.

Just a guess but probably same on Sky etc

How much would it cost a company to place this amount of ads at prime viewing time on so many channels?

I bet NF is looking forward to the next non story hitting the headlines

[FiF]

TKF said:

btw does anyone over the age of twelve use the phrase "epic fail"?

Probably not but it was a means to an end to show the childishness of your thought process, assuming there was any thought involved.

As has been pointed out frequently, the UK is an elected dictatorship technically speaking, or in the case of Gordon Brown an unelected dictatorship and an incompetent one to boot.

Really on a failure roll today aren't you.

[FiF]

don4l said:

TKF said:

The commission is elected by the MEPs

What makes you say that?

Commissioners are appointed by the member states. They are not elected.

Strictly speaking Don the European Council nominates a candidate singular for President. The European parliament rubber stamps this. Yes they can if a qualified majority vote against reject that candidate but effectively it's a rubber stamp.
Each member country proposes commissioners for various positions. Smoke filled rooms may be involved at this point.

The president elect then chooses the 27 commissioners and the area they will deal with from the list.

His selection then goes to the Council of ministers who approve it by qualified majority and then it goes to the European Parliament for a vote. Again technically they could reject but effectively it's a rubber stamping of candidates from a list of one for each post.

Then each of the 27 commissioners and their departments then try to outdo each other to justify their existence by issuing ever more laws, regulations, opinions, guidances and all the other stuff.

[carinaman]

I may have to vote UKIP. 1. They're not in bed with Brooks and Coulson like Cameron and Blair were are they? 2. Neither Nigel Farage or Lizzy Vaid are former Bullingdon Boys are they? Though I shouldn't worry about the Bullingdon Club days given the letter from a Teacher at Dulwich College about her concerns about Farage becoming a Prefect?

[don4l]

FiF said:

don4l said:

TKF said:

The commission is elected by the MEPs

What makes you say that?

Commissioners are appointed by the member states. They are not elected.

Strictly speaking Don the European Council nominates a candidate singular for President. The European parliament rubber stamps this. Yes they can if a qualified majority vote against reject that candidate but effectively it's a rubber stamp.
Each member country proposes commissioners for various positions. Smoke filled rooms may be involved at this point.

The president elect then chooses the 27 commissioners and the area they will deal with from the list.

His selection then goes to the Council of ministers who approve it by qualified majority and then it goes to the European Parliament for a vote. Again technically they could reject but effectively it's a rubber stamping of candidates from a list of one for each post.

Then each of the 27 commissioners and their departments then try to outdo each other to justify their existence by issuing ever more laws, regulations, opinions, guidances and all the other stuff.

The MEP's might well have to approve the commissioners, but that is quite different from electing them. An election involves a choice between candidates. This does not happen with the appointment of commissioners.

[irocfan]

don4l said:

The MEP's might well have to approve the commissioners, but that is quite different from electing them. An election involves a choice between candidates. This does not happen with the appointment of commissioners.

surely you meant комисса́р?

[FiF]

don4l said:

FiF said:

don4l said:

TKF said:

The commission is elected by the MEPs

What makes you say that?

Commissioners are appointed by the member states. They are not elected.

Strictly speaking Don the European Council nominates a candidate singular for President. The European parliament rubber stamps this. Yes they can if a qualified majority vote against reject that candidate but effectively it's a rubber stamp.
Each member country proposes commissioners for various positions. Smoke filled rooms may be involved at this point.

The president elect then chooses the 27 commissioners and the area they will deal with from the list.

His selection then goes to the Council of ministers who approve it by qualified majority and then it goes to the European Parliament for a vote. Again technically they could reject but effectively it's a rubber stamping of candidates from a list of one for each post.

Then each of the 27 commissioners and their departments then try to outdo each other to justify their existence by issuing ever more laws, regulations, opinions, guidances and all the other stuff.

The MEP's might well have to approve the commissioners, but that is quite different from electing them. An election involves a choice between candidates. This does not happen with the appointment of commissioners.

I quite agree Don, rubber stamping from a candidate list of one is not an election, well some odd ball countries have single candidate elections, we could all name a few choice examples. I was just trying to inform folks how it actually works in case they get confused by the selective and misleading twaddle produced by the pro-EU mob.

[dandarez]

mrpurple said:

I think NF is playing a blinder and the MSM are falling for it hook line and sinker.

Turned the telly on last night:

NF defends UKIP posters that some consider racist..headlines ITV news @ 10.

NF employs German wife............headlines BBC 10 pm news.

Just a guess but probably same on Sky etc

How much would it cost a company to place this amount of ads at prime viewing time on so many channels?

I bet NF is looking forward to the next non story hitting the headlines

mrpurple please don't abbreviate Farage to his initials, some 'clever dick' on here will mix him up with that racist party.

Use his full name, Nigel Farage, they simply can't stand it!

[don4l]

I just caught a UKIP party political on the telly.

I must say that Nigel is looking much more professional these days. His confidence levels have probably taken a real boost after his universally acclaimed performances in the debates with Nick Clegg.

[WinstonWolf]

don4l said:

I just caught a UKIP party political on the telly.

I must say that Nigel is looking much more professional these days. His confidence levels have probably taken a real boost after his universally acclaimed performances in the debates with Nick Clegg.

He came across well, good to see the multicultural angle too, it might help to quieten the usual suspects.

[don4l]

WinstonWolf said:

He came across well, good to see the multicultural angle too, it might help to quieten the usual suspects.

It won't.

They are all afflicted with extreme cognitive dissonance. They will switch off the telly as soon as he says something that they agree with.

Zod's recent posts are a classic example.

It doesn't matter how many immigrants (like me) support UKIP, they still trot out the utterly discredited "racist" card.

[NicD]

Look at this:

A fake job advert seeking a PA for Nigel Farage has attracted hundreds of responses, according to a recruitment firm.

The advert was posted by a recruitment firm, Xpat Jobs, after the Ukip leader said that only his wife – who is German – was capable of fulfilling the role while earning "a very modest salary for working extremely unsociable hours for me and being available up to seven days a week".

Farage was forced to defend the comments while his party launched a poster campaign warning that unemployed Europeans wanted to take British jobs.

The post advertised was PA to a "top European politician" affiliated to Ukip, which was described as "a Eurosceptic rightwing populist political party in the United Kingdom". The recruiter said it received 764 applications – including 649 from British nationals – in the space of 12 hours.

[Timsta]

don4l said:

It won't.

They are all afflicted with extreme cognitive dissonance. They will switch off the telly as soon as he says something that they agree with.

Zod's recent posts are a classic example.

It doesn't matter how many immigrants (like me) support UKIP, they still trot out the utterly discredited "racist" card.

And me.