UKIP - The Future - Volume 2
Discussion
Zod said:
FiF said:
Alex said:
Zod said:
Cameron should have temoved the whip from Carswell ages ago. He is arrogant, disloyal and self-serving.
If he were honest and had any guts, he would resign and face a by-election.
Er, he is.If he were honest and had any guts, he would resign and face a by-election.
Edited by Zod on Thursday 28th August 21:06
At lest he has that sense of honour.
Zod said:
Look, I missed his resignation. If I have anything at all today , it's GPRS and slow.
Fair enough!I'm having a conversation with my mother at the moment via text - she's oldish and could not be more Tory (ie she voted UKIP in the euros and locals) - she's delivered leaflets for the local Conservative candidate for years, she's also now one of those national trust people (and apparently there is a bit of discussion in the national trust about the planning changes and the Tories - not happy).
Very Tory though.
0a said:
Fair enough!
I'm having a conversation with my mother at the moment via text - she's oldish and could not be more Tory (ie she voted UKIP in the euros and locals) - she's delivered leaflets for the local Conservative candidate for years, she's also now one of those national trust people (and apparently there is a bit of discussion in the national trust about the planning changes and the Tories - not happy).
Very Tory though.
Cobblers.I'm having a conversation with my mother at the moment via text - she's oldish and could not be more Tory (ie she voted UKIP in the euros and locals) - she's delivered leaflets for the local Conservative candidate for years, she's also now one of those national trust people (and apparently there is a bit of discussion in the national trust about the planning changes and the Tories - not happy).
Very Tory though.
Yo Momma's so UKIP we'd have to roll her in flour to find the Tory bit.
Zod said:
dandarez said:
Scuffers said:
longblackcoat said:
A. He's not a UKIP MP
based on what? technically, until the by-election, he islongblackcoat said:
B. He's got as much chance of being elected as a UKIP MP as I have of being the first dog in space
better start training then! (although your a few years behind Laika (1957)
That's why we are not viewed as 'wet behind the ears'.
One day, you too will be a 'wise old man'.
...perhaps not.
chris watton said:
don4l said:
If Douglas Carswell wins the by-election, more Tories will follow. UKIP could enter the next general election with as many as 9 sitting MPs.
Could UKIP end up with more seats than the LibDems?
That would be so sweet.....Could UKIP end up with more seats than the LibDems?
Would this 'liven' up British politcs once again and put some clear blue (tinged purple) water between left and right once again? Where would it leave the Libdems? Knitting jumpers from their own dog hair in leafy suburbia, never to be heard of again?
Tyre Smoke said:
Which then begs the question, if that happens and they hold the balance of power, enter a coalition with the Tories, do we have a lurch to the right from Govt, akin to the Thatcher years?
Would this 'liven' up British politcs once again and put some clear blue (tinged purple) water between left and right once again? Where would it leave the Libdems? Knitting jumpers from their own dog hair in leafy suburbia, never to be heard of again?
It wouldn't surprise me at all if the Libdems are so decimated after the GL that they'll cease to exist as a political force, now that the electorate have had a taste of what they're really like.Would this 'liven' up British politcs once again and put some clear blue (tinged purple) water between left and right once again? Where would it leave the Libdems? Knitting jumpers from their own dog hair in leafy suburbia, never to be heard of again?
If UKIP take over the mantle that Clegg has dropped, I just hope they make a better fist of things...
There is only one way that Cameron can halt the advance of UKIP.
He must immediately announce the date of an in/out referendum, which must take place before next May. If he really wants to re-negotiate with the EU, then he must declare his objectives, and his line in the sand - now. He must give the EU 3 months to meet his minimum demands.
I don't believe that any of this will happen. Cameron will assume that the economic recovery will ensure a majority for him.
Meanwhile, not only can we not buy a powerful vacuum cleaner, but soon most household devices will be limited. Hairdryers are going to see their power cut by 30%.
How long before car engines are limited to 1.4L?
He must immediately announce the date of an in/out referendum, which must take place before next May. If he really wants to re-negotiate with the EU, then he must declare his objectives, and his line in the sand - now. He must give the EU 3 months to meet his minimum demands.
I don't believe that any of this will happen. Cameron will assume that the economic recovery will ensure a majority for him.
Meanwhile, not only can we not buy a powerful vacuum cleaner, but soon most household devices will be limited. Hairdryers are going to see their power cut by 30%.
How long before car engines are limited to 1.4L?
Guam said:
don4l said:
There is only one way that Cameron can halt the advance of UKIP...
Indeed he has known this now for some time, as we have restated on here again and again...Smelling the coffee would be good but that's down the line a bit.
Guam said:
don4l said:
There is only one way that Cameron can halt the advance of UKIP.
He must immediately announce the date of an in/out referendum, which must take place before next May. If he really wants to re-negotiate with the EU, then he must declare his objectives, and his line in the sand - now. He must give the EU 3 months to meet his minimum demands.
I don't believe that any of this will happen. Cameron will assume that the economic recovery will ensure a majority for him.
Meanwhile, not only can we not buy a powerful vacuum cleaner, but soon most household devices will be limited. Hairdryers are going to see their power cut by 30%.
How long before car engines are limited to 1.4L?
Indeed he has known this now for some time, as we have restated on here again and again, the Coalition is no longer a factor, Clegg has nailed his colours to the mast.He must immediately announce the date of an in/out referendum, which must take place before next May. If he really wants to re-negotiate with the EU, then he must declare his objectives, and his line in the sand - now. He must give the EU 3 months to meet his minimum demands.
I don't believe that any of this will happen. Cameron will assume that the economic recovery will ensure a majority for him.
Meanwhile, not only can we not buy a powerful vacuum cleaner, but soon most household devices will be limited. Hairdryers are going to see their power cut by 30%.
How long before car engines are limited to 1.4L?
Unfortunately Cameron and his acolytes still delude themselves that people will believe them on the referendum commitment, they dont and they seem too dumb to understand that fact.
They can bleat on all they like about how he weally weally means it this time, it just wont wash. People want the say they were denied during the Lisbon process, imagine if the Scots had been denied a referendum on Independence. His duplicity is evident right there imho.
So far effectively nothing. Certainly nothing of any real worth.
If even cyber antikippers can't come up with one sentence of a reasoned argument then Cameron won't either.
Continues to treat voters with contempt.
Deserves to lose badly.
FiF said:
Let's face it how long have we been asking on here for a declaration of lines in the sand from the usual suspects on here.
So far effectively nothing. Certainly nothing of any real worth.
If even cyber antikippers can't come up with one sentence of a reasoned argument then Cameron won't either.
Continues to treat voters with contempt.
Deserves to lose badly.
What question is is that you're asking 'the usual suspects' to answer? Define the question properly, you might even get a sensible answer.So far effectively nothing. Certainly nothing of any real worth.
If even cyber antikippers can't come up with one sentence of a reasoned argument then Cameron won't either.
Continues to treat voters with contempt.
Deserves to lose badly.
Always assuming, that is, that whoever you're defining as the usual suspects can be bothered.
Seeing as the question about declaring lines in the sand regarding any renegotiation or reform of the EU has been asked several times over throughout the volumes of this thread and during on your presence on the thread I suggest you look back. It's very clear what the question is and to whom it has been aimed.
If you or anyone else can't be bothered I'll not lose any sleep. Although in reality it's more likely because they can't produce an answer.
If you or anyone else can't be bothered I'll not lose any sleep. Although in reality it's more likely because they can't produce an answer.
Just heard a soundbite from Douglas Carswell on PM R4.
Claimed that the final straw was when party officials made it clear that Cameron's negotiation strategy was to gain only just enough reforms that enough people would vote to stay in.
So it's all about a) getting reelected b) staying in the EU c) not pushing the EU hard to see what beneficial changes are really possible d) stuff the electorate it's all about power and being in the EU.
Claimed that the final straw was when party officials made it clear that Cameron's negotiation strategy was to gain only just enough reforms that enough people would vote to stay in.
So it's all about a) getting reelected b) staying in the EU c) not pushing the EU hard to see what beneficial changes are really possible d) stuff the electorate it's all about power and being in the EU.
FiF said:
Just heard a soundbite from Douglas Carswell on PM R4.
Claimed that the final straw was when party officials made it clear that Cameron's negotiation strategy was to gain only just enough reforms that enough people would vote to stay in.
So it's all about a) getting reelected b) staying in the EU c) not pushing the EU hard to see what beneficial changes are really possible d) stuff the electorate it's all about power and being in the EU.
I saw that too - and it comes as no surprise. PPE graduates should be barred from public office! They have no convictions (apart from Chris Huhne - obviously).Claimed that the final straw was when party officials made it clear that Cameron's negotiation strategy was to gain only just enough reforms that enough people would vote to stay in.
So it's all about a) getting reelected b) staying in the EU c) not pushing the EU hard to see what beneficial changes are really possible d) stuff the electorate it's all about power and being in the EU.
Meanwhile, the first signs of a bit of in-fighting are appearing in the Conservative party. Ian Duncan Smith has said that he will wait to see what reforms Cameron manages to negotiate before deciding whether he will support our EU membership. Unsurprisingly, he hasn't declared his "line in the sand".
More here...
FiF said:
Just heard a soundbite from Douglas Carswell on PM R4.
Claimed that the final straw was when party officials made it clear that Cameron's negotiation strategy was to gain only just enough reforms that enough people would vote to stay in.
That really does deserve to be broadcast far and wide.Claimed that the final straw was when party officials made it clear that Cameron's negotiation strategy was to gain only just enough reforms that enough people would vote to stay in.
It's been a hope and a possibility that Cameron would wake up at some point, but he's still in dreamworld. The notion of providing his voting fodder with just enough morsels to be grateful for the handout is a reprehensible act of contempt.
turbobloke said:
That really does deserve to be broadcast far and wide.
It's been a hope and a possibility that Cameron would wake up at some point, but he's still in dreamworld. The notion of providing his voting fodder with just enough morsels to be grateful for the handout is a reprehensible act of contempt.
Quite. It's been a hope and a possibility that Cameron would wake up at some point, but he's still in dreamworld. The notion of providing his voting fodder with just enough morsels to be grateful for the handout is a reprehensible act of contempt.
Plus for the benefit of longblackcoat who is normally sufficiently polite to warrant an answer I will spell out my unanswered question for the final time.
It's directed to those who say that we should be in a reformed EU.
Please state what the reforms should be and what are the lines in the sand, by that requirements that are absolute demands.
If these line in the sand reforms are not achieved or the EU even refuses to discuss the possibility of change on these issues then what is your proposal. Still stay in or leave?
You've had long enough to reply the previous times it's been asked. Last time of asking.
Personally my opinion is that the failure is symptomatic of a lack of principle and emptiness of ideas as Cameron.
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