Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 5

[Siscar]

toppstuff said:

Why is everyone banging on about immigration when more fundamental issues such as currency are uncertain?

Nats only want to talk about the ambiguous stuff , never the really critical things.

Exactly. If rUK does follow though with no currency union, what is plan B? Could someone give us an insight?

[pcvdriver]

voyds9 said:

If we are both parents states then the land owner and cotton picker were equal members of American society.

What a bizarre analogy, please explain how you came to that conclusion? Or am I to assume you've had a substantial liquid lunch.....and finished off with a port or two a few moments ago?....

[Siscar]

Since you are around pcvdriver, any thoughts? Edinburger or any other Nat supporters feel free to join in.

Siscar said:

Exactly. If rUK does follow though with no currency union, what is plan B? Could someone give us an insight?

[Siscar]

Of course feel free to answer one of the others such as what happens if the EU President et al are correct in Scotland not getting membership of the EU. What's plan b then?

[Neonblau]

pcvdriver said:

What a bizarre analogy, please explain how you came to that conclusion? Or am I to assume you've had a substantial liquid lunch.....and finished off with a port or two a few moments ago?....

Why do you just write drivel instead of answering questions?

[pcvdriver]

Neonblau said:

pcvdriver said:

What a bizarre analogy, please explain how you came to that conclusion? Or am I to assume you've had a substantial liquid lunch.....and finished off with a port or two a few moments ago?....

Why do you just write drivel instead of answering questions?

Er... I have been answering questions.

Now please explain your total drivel above, which appears to bear no relation to the question I'd posed to voyds9 in response to his post.....

Let me remind you....

pcvdriver said:

voyds9 said:

If we are both parents states then the land owner and cotton picker were equal members of American society.

What a bizarre analogy, please explain how you came to that conclusion? Or am I to assume you've had a substantial liquid lunch.....and finished off with a port or two a few moments ago?....

[pcvdriver]

Let's for a moment examine Voyds9 argument:

For his argument to hold water, we have to assume that one of the countries must be subservient to the other. Otherwise a landowner and employee at best/slave relationship would be a very poor analogy indeed.
Instead there were two equally independent Nation States who formed a Union of equal Nation States with each other.

[Welshbeef]

PVC driving - gone Scottish on not opting for Nappa leather .


What about the currency the pensions the loss of Naval jobs no EU and if you go All Scottish and don't pay off your debt in one foul swoop wipe out 75% of where your GDP comes from.

Key issues which anyone with half a brain needs to understand the factual answer to before voting - else heck they might be voting for dropping soap in the shower with a rough group of 10 chappies not what you think your voting for eh.

[toppstuff]

pcvdriver said:

Let's for a moment examine Voyds9 argument:

For his argument to hold water, we have to assume that one of the countries must be subservient to the other. Otherwise a landowner and employee at best/slave relationship would be a very poor analogy indeed.
Instead there were two equally independent Nation States who formed a Union of equal Nation States with each other.

I think people are pretty bored with your irrelevant points when you continue to refuse to address the main issues. The deflection is getting tiresome and the thread has become quite pointless.

[simoid]

Siscar said:

Exactly. If rUK does follow though with no currency union, what is plan B? Could someone give us an insight?

"Panama plan" wasn't it?

[simoid]

Employment levels at a record high in Scotland:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-bus...

What a great place to live, work and do business.

[pcvdriver]

toppstuff said:

I think people are pretty bored with your irrelevant points when you continue to refuse to address the main issues. The deflection is getting tiresome and the thread has become quite pointless.

I notice that some of the points I raise going unanswered, but I don't spit the dummy over it. Grow up, or jog on....

[Wombat3]

Edinburger said:

Interesting point popped up on the LinkedIn forum on Scottish Independence:

{Yet More "interesting" ste}

What utter garbage!

That's not remotely relevant or "interesting" & if it had any basis in fact or law then there wouldn't even be a referendum on the agenda now would there?

[toppstuff]

pcvdriver said:

I notice that some of the points I raise going unanswered, but I don't spit the dummy over it. Grow up, or jog on....

Your points are irrelevant deflection. You are the guy on the Titanic wanting to talk about the menu for dinner rather than the chuffing big iceberg you are about to hit.

Grow up. Man up. Stop deflecting.

[Wombat3]

pcvdriver said:

Neonblau said:

pcvdriver said:

What a bizarre analogy, please explain how you came to that conclusion? Or am I to assume you've had a substantial liquid lunch.....and finished off with a port or two a few moments ago?....

Why do you just write drivel instead of answering questions?

Er... I have been answering questions.

Now please explain your total drivel above, which appears to bear no relation to the question I'd posed to voyds9 in response to his post.....

Let me remind you....

pcvdriver said:

voyds9 said:

If we are both parents states then the land owner and cotton picker were equal members of American society.

What a bizarre analogy, please explain how you came to that conclusion? Or am I to assume you've had a substantial liquid lunch.....and finished off with a port or two a few moments ago?....

I must have missed the explanation as to what Scotland is doing about a currency and EU membership - you know, the plan B option that doesn't involve the rest of the world just rolling over and agreeing with everything the fat tt says is good for us all!

[pcvdriver]

Wombat3 said:

Edinburger said:

Interesting point popped up on the LinkedIn forum on Scottish Independence:

{Yet More "interesting" ste}

What utter garbage!

That's not remotely relevant or "interesting" & if it had any basis in fact or law then there wouldn't even be a referendum on the agenda now would there?

Of course there would be need for a referendum, as it is down to the democratic will of the people whether or not to chose Independence, or Continuity of Union. Anything else would be dictat.

[Wombat3]

pcvdriver said:

Wombat3 said:

Edinburger said:

Interesting point popped up on the LinkedIn forum on Scottish Independence:

{Yet More "interesting" ste}

What utter garbage!

That's not remotely relevant or "interesting" & if it had any basis in fact or law then there wouldn't even be a referendum on the agenda now would there?

Of course there would be need for a referendum, as it is down to the democratic will of the people whether or not to chose Independence, or Continuity of Union. Anything else would be dictat.

There's nothing "democratic" about this referendum when so many people who should have a vote have been disenfranchised - and in that I mean just 1st generation Scots who happen to currently reside outside Scotland.

I'm not even talking about the rest of the people if the UK who also have a significant interest in the outcome - not least of which because the Nationalist tts expect them to pay to make this stupid pipe-dream into a reality assuming enough gullible, flag waving, face-painters can be found to vote "Doon with the Sassenachs, I want ma share of the black gold!!!" on Sept 18th (because, in truth, as we all know, that's all its really about.

[pcvdriver]

Wombat3 said:

There's nothing "democratic" about this referendum when so many people who should have a vote have been disenfranchised - and in that I mean just 1st generation Scots who happen to currently reside outside Scotland.

I'm not even talking about the rest of the people if the UK who also have a significant interest in the outcome - not least of which because the Nationalist tts expect them to pay to make this stupid pipe-dream into a reality assuming enough gullible, flag waving, face-painters can be found to vote "Doon with the Sassenachs, I want ma share of the black gold!!!" on Sept 18th (because, in truth, as we all know, that's all its really about.

So you'll be leveling dictat charges at Westminster too then, seeing as they share responsibility in the drawing up of the voting parameters.

[davepoth]

pcvdriver said:

Let's for a moment examine Voyds9 argument:

For his argument to hold water, we have to assume that one of the countries must be subservient to the other. Otherwise a landowner and employee at best/slave relationship would be a very poor analogy indeed.
Instead there were two equally independent Nation States who formed a Union of equal Nation States with each other.

Except they didn't. Only one parliament survived, and it wasn't the Scottish one. Scotland didn't bring 50% of the UK to the UK.

As I have pointed out ad nauseam in earlier volumes, the method by which the succession of rights and responsibilities will pass from the UK to rUK was fixed by the break-up of the Soviet Union, where Russia maintained all of the rights and responsibilities of the USSR as regards to the UN and other supranational bodies, and all of the breakaway states were considered new, even though their pre-Soviet history went back many centuries. This was on the basis of a majority of population, land area and GDP remaining with Russia.

[NoNeed]

davepoth said:

pcvdriver said:

Let's for a moment examine Voyds9 argument:

For his argument to hold water, we have to assume that one of the countries must be subservient to the other. Otherwise a landowner and employee at best/slave relationship would be a very poor analogy indeed.
Instead there were two equally independent Nation States who formed a Union of equal Nation States with each other.

Except they didn't. Only one parliament survived, and it wasn't the Scottish one. Scotland didn't bring 50% of the UK to the UK.

As I have pointed out ad nauseam in earlier volumes, the method by which the succession of rights and responsibilities will pass from the UK to rUK was fixed by the break-up of the Soviet Union, where Russia maintained all of the rights and responsibilities of the USSR as regards to the UN and other supranational bodies, and all of the breakaway states were considered new, even though their pre-Soviet history went back many centuries. This was on the basis of a majority of population, land area and GDP remaining with Russia.

Scotland was the poor girl that married the prince.