Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 5

[Walford]

Moonhawk said:

Plus - they don't have the baggage of Thatcherism weighing them down.

The whole poll tax thing for which there is still much resentment amongst older members, was 25 years ago. Well before many who now have the vote were even born.

Think the pole tax will be a big issue

[Gaspode]

There's a saying in France that voters have their hearts on the left, but keep their wallets on the right. I reckon there are going to be lots of Scots who say they are going to vote yes, but when the crunch comes they will realise that they would probably actually be worse off under an independent Scotland ruled by the SNP, so they will vote no.

[Axionknight]

Only one way to find out m'man!

Vote yes for FREEEEEEDOM

[Edinburger]

Walford said:

Moonhawk said:

Plus - they don't have the baggage of Thatcherism weighing them down.

The whole poll tax thing for which there is still much resentment amongst older members, was 25 years ago. Well before many who now have the vote were even born.

Think the pole tax will be a big issue

This "pole tax" you talk about, is this a new initiative to deter immigration from Eastern Europe?

[Edinburger]

Gaspode said:

There's a saying in France that voters have their hearts on the left, but keep their wallets on the right. I reckon there are going to be lots of Scots who say they are going to vote yes, but when the crunch comes they will realise that they would probably actually be worse off under an independent Scotland ruled by the SNP, so they will vote no.

Very, very possible

[Edinburger]

bigkeeko said:

GetCarter said:

Last Poll I saw said most likely to vote yes was Glasgow, male, 20-40, little education. Most likely to vote no was educated, female, over 40, rural.

Alarming but entirely believable. Is there a link for this?

I heard (on Radio Scotland, I think) that there's a lot of people (c.50K, I think) in that demographic who'd taken themselves off the voter's roll to evade council tax who have now registered to enable them to vote in the referendum.

Scary.

[Edinburger]

For those of you who follow the polls: ‘Undecideds more likely to vote Yes’.

Which tells us "53.6 per cent of Scots are poised in favour of No, with 44.6 per cent backing independence, according to analysis of the British Election Survey".

[Troubleatmill]

Edinburger said:

For those of you who follow the polls: ‘Undecideds more likely to vote Yes’.

Which tells us "53.6 per cent of Scots are poised in favour of No, with 44.6 per cent backing independence, according to analysis of the British Election Survey".

Are you still undecided?

Question for you: John Swinney wrote that the benefits and defence spend will have to be cut - as iScotland can't afford it. How does this reconcile with all the wealth the SNP says it will have?

[///ajd]

Edinburger said:

Gaspode said:

There's a saying in France that voters have their hearts on the left, but keep their wallets on the right. I reckon there are going to be lots of Scots who say they are going to vote yes, but when the crunch comes they will realise that they would probably actually be worse off under an independent Scotland ruled by the SNP, so they will vote no.

Very, very possible

So you agree there will be a practical swing to No?

Have you finally realised that would be a good thing or did you misread the quote?

[Edinburger]

Interesting: Talks begin on devolution for whole of UK

Who's for a series of devolved governments with significantly more powers than at present, and a significantly reduced central government for defence, EU, international relations, etc.?

[Edinburger]

Troubleatmill said:

Edinburger said:

For those of you who follow the polls: ‘Undecideds more likely to vote Yes’.

Which tells us "53.6 per cent of Scots are poised in favour of No, with 44.6 per cent backing independence, according to analysis of the British Election Survey".

Are you still undecided?

Question for you: John Swinney wrote that he benefits and defence will have to be cut - as iScotland can't afford it. How does this reconcile with all the wealth the SNP says it will have?

Yes, still undecided.

Question for you: why would iScotland need a comparable defence budget to the UK? We'd be a small nation withot the need to play billy big balls on the world stage invading other countries.

[Edinburger]

///ajd said:

Edinburger said:

Gaspode said:

There's a saying in France that voters have their hearts on the left, but keep their wallets on the right. I reckon there are going to be lots of Scots who say they are going to vote yes, but when the crunch comes they will realise that they would probably actually be worse off under an independent Scotland ruled by the SNP, so they will vote no.

Very, very possible

So you agree there will be a practical swing to No?

Have you finally realised that would be a good thing or did you misread the quote?

I think it's very, very possible.

[Rollin]

Yeah, more layers of government....Great idea.

[Troubleatmill]

Edinburger said:

Troubleatmill said:

Edinburger said:

For those of you who follow the polls: ‘Undecideds more likely to vote Yes’.

Which tells us "53.6 per cent of Scots are poised in favour of No, with 44.6 per cent backing independence, according to analysis of the British Election Survey".

Are you still undecided?

Question for you: John Swinney wrote that he benefits and defence will have to be cut - as iScotland can't afford it. How does this reconcile with all the wealth the SNP says it will have?

Yes, still undecided.

Question for you: why would iScotland need a comparable defence budget to the UK? We'd be a small nation withot the need to play billy big balls on the world stage invading other countries.

The defence budget proposed by iScotland would need to be cut after 4 years. That is what Swinney wrote. And benefit cuts. Back to you... where is all this wealth that the SNP keep talking about?

[Rollin]

Edinburger said:

Troubleatmill said:

Edinburger said:

For those of you who follow the polls: ‘Undecideds more likely to vote Yes’.

Which tells us "53.6 per cent of Scots are poised in favour of No, with 44.6 per cent backing independence, according to analysis of the British Election Survey".

Are you still undecided?

Question for you: John Swinney wrote that he benefits and defence will have to be cut - as iScotland can't afford it. How does this reconcile with all the wealth the SNP says it will have?

Yes, still undecided.

Question for you: why would iScotland need a comparable defence budget to the UK? We'd be a small nation withot the need to play billy big balls on the world stage invading other countries.

Do you mean Blair big balls, the Scottish bloke?

[///ajd]

Edinburger said:

Interesting: Talks begin on devolution for whole of UK

Who's for a series of devolved governments with significantly more powers than at present, and a significantly reduced central government for defence, EU, international relations, etc.?

Not me. Waste of money adding more layers of nonsense to spend less and less government money.

We need government doing the big stuff with minimum red tape. We certainly don't need extra layers playing with the deck chairs, tweeking e.g. benefit payment systems to cater for every little difference between areas, or score points about who is doing most to tackle poverty. This should be tackled nationwide.

That said we could boost regional development initiatives to stimulate business, but again don't need another Holyrood in England to achieve that.

[McWigglebum4th]

Edinburger said:

Yes, still undecided.

Question for you: why would iScotland need a comparable defence budget to the UK? We'd be a small nation withot the need to play billy big balls on the world stage invading other countries.

Read the white paper

It sayes we will be still policing the world

And you think you yes idiots won't be screaming to do better then the English?

[speedyman]

McWigglebum4th said:

Edinburger said:

Yes, still undecided.

Question for you: why would iScotland need a comparable defence budget to the UK? We'd be a small nation withot the need to play billy big balls on the world stage invading other countries.

Read the white paper

It sayes we will be still policing the world

And you think you yes idiots won't be screaming to do better then the English?

Well don't forget to tell all the scotish soldiers who will loose their jobs and the Scotish regiments which will cease to exist, because they are not needed if there is a yes vote.

[DuncsGTi]

speedyman said:

Well don't forget to tell all the scotish soldiers who will loose their jobs and the Scotish regiments which will cease to exist, because they are not needed if there is a yes vote.

???????????????

Last time i checked, myself and all the other serving soldiers in Scottish regiments, took an oath of allegiance to the Queen. In the unlikely event of a yes vote, we would remain within the service of the crown, not wee fat eck.

There is no reason the British army could not continue to recruit from Scotland and maintain these units, at worst we would possibly have a slight name change (my regiment used to be called the Royal North British Dragoons anyway)

[simoid]

So many of the SNP plans for independence (if not all????) are either:

Totally impossible
Illegal
Possible but ruinous.