Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 5
Discussion
Chlamydia said:
Oh look, here's pcvdriver's daily thread on Scottish independence thinly veiled as a thread about something other than Scottish independence as he's banned from the thread about... Scottish independence.
Wasn't yesterday's thread about Murphy too?
I won't end this post with your usual, "As you were", because in your case " As you were " would mean you posting ANOTHER bloody thread about Scottish independence! If you'd learned to play with the grownups you'd still be allowed to post on the original thread.
wow, very nasty and aggressive.Wasn't yesterday's thread about Murphy too?
I won't end this post with your usual, "As you were", because in your case " As you were " would mean you posting ANOTHER bloody thread about Scottish independence! If you'd learned to play with the grownups you'd still be allowed to post on the original thread.
Sad that it's coming to this pass but frankly very foreseeable. The campaign is bitter and getting worse. VP's nonsense postings are pure squirrel. I can't wait for this whole nonsense to be over and sadly, as an unionist, I'm no longer minded whichever way it turns. The bile, bloody minded ignorance, and idiocy of the yesers has left me despairing. I doubt I'll post again till the vote.
Dark days. Long live the union.
Dark days. Long live the union.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/505295/Alex-Salmo...
Little support for currency union in the rUK, and a significant number of people see the relationship with the Scott's as being damaged too.
Article says:
The findings of an exclusive Sunday Express poll suggest that Westminster’s consistent rejection of such a formal union carries a firm mandate, despite claims by Scottish nationalists that it is “bluff and scare tactics”.
Senior Coalition figures said yesterday the poll proved, if proof were needed, that Westminster’s opposition was not a mere political gambit, as suggested by Scotland’s First Minister, but has the backing of the people.
Chief Secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander said it left Mr Salmond “ever more isolated and exposed”.
The survey, conducted across England, Wales and Scotland, showed 44 per cent of those questioned were against a currency union. A further 34 per cent were not sure.
That left 22 per cent who welcomed the idea. However, that finding was skewed by including Scotland, where 60 per cent were in favour. When Scotland was taken out of the equation, it left just 18 per cent backing the idea. The Springboard UK poll revealed a general disappointment in England and Wales with the possibility of a Scottish breakaway.
Scope for reconciliation was thin on the ground with members of the public saying relations had already been damaged by the debate.
More than 40 per cent felt the issue had caused permanent damage to relations between Scotland and the home nations, with 13 per cent saying the damage was significant.
Almost half (44 per cent) said they did not support Scots getting an automatic right to joint citizenship in the case of independence. With 31 per cent not sure, that left only 25 per cent supporting the idea.
Once again, figures for Scotland bucked the trend, with 56 per cent saying they would want the right to automatic joint citizenship.
There was positive news for David Cameron. While some senior Tory sources confided that the Prime Minister would “inevitably feel he would have to step down” if he “lost Scotland”, members of the public indicated they would be much more forgiving. Only 26 per cent would want Mr Cameron’s scalp, compared with 45 per cent who felt he would be entitled to carry on leading the country. The rest, 29 per cent, were undecided.
Article continues but too much to cut n paste.
Little support for currency union in the rUK, and a significant number of people see the relationship with the Scott's as being damaged too.
Article says:
The findings of an exclusive Sunday Express poll suggest that Westminster’s consistent rejection of such a formal union carries a firm mandate, despite claims by Scottish nationalists that it is “bluff and scare tactics”.
Senior Coalition figures said yesterday the poll proved, if proof were needed, that Westminster’s opposition was not a mere political gambit, as suggested by Scotland’s First Minister, but has the backing of the people.
Chief Secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander said it left Mr Salmond “ever more isolated and exposed”.
The survey, conducted across England, Wales and Scotland, showed 44 per cent of those questioned were against a currency union. A further 34 per cent were not sure.
That left 22 per cent who welcomed the idea. However, that finding was skewed by including Scotland, where 60 per cent were in favour. When Scotland was taken out of the equation, it left just 18 per cent backing the idea. The Springboard UK poll revealed a general disappointment in England and Wales with the possibility of a Scottish breakaway.
Scope for reconciliation was thin on the ground with members of the public saying relations had already been damaged by the debate.
More than 40 per cent felt the issue had caused permanent damage to relations between Scotland and the home nations, with 13 per cent saying the damage was significant.
Almost half (44 per cent) said they did not support Scots getting an automatic right to joint citizenship in the case of independence. With 31 per cent not sure, that left only 25 per cent supporting the idea.
Once again, figures for Scotland bucked the trend, with 56 per cent saying they would want the right to automatic joint citizenship.
There was positive news for David Cameron. While some senior Tory sources confided that the Prime Minister would “inevitably feel he would have to step down” if he “lost Scotland”, members of the public indicated they would be much more forgiving. Only 26 per cent would want Mr Cameron’s scalp, compared with 45 per cent who felt he would be entitled to carry on leading the country. The rest, 29 per cent, were undecided.
Article continues but too much to cut n paste.
pcvdriver said:
I myself find Conservative and UKIP supporters to be offensive,
So that's a considerable proportion of the UK population you find offensive, that says a lot about you as a person and your view on democracy.I would love to understand why there is a deep seated hatred of the Tories and Margaret Thatcher amoungst YES voters. I suspect the reason is due largely to the victim culture among many apparently hard done by Scots. I agree MT was a devisive PM but she did not orchestrate the de industrialisation of Scotland contrary to popular myth.
Walford said:
McWigglebum4th said:
Walford said:
SWTH said:
Just out of curiousity, is there any benefit to the rUK if Scotland remains in the union?
No.
McWigglebum4th said:
Walford said:
McWigglebum4th said:
Walford said:
SWTH said:
Just out of curiousity, is there any benefit to the rUK if Scotland remains in the union?
No.
Because we see ourselves as British, certainly not French.
Can anyone explain why rUK would want to have anything to do with a currency union, or why Scotland would want to tie itself to the Pound Sterling if it could have German backed Euros?
Unless of course the Germans are tired of funding hangers on and don't want Scotland in the EU.
Can anyone explain why rUK would want to have anything to do with a currency union, or why Scotland would want to tie itself to the Pound Sterling if it could have German backed Euros?
Unless of course the Germans are tired of funding hangers on and don't want Scotland in the EU.
cardigankid said:
Because we see ourselves as British, certainly not French.
Can anyone explain why rUK would want to have anything to do with a currency union, or why Scotland would want to tie itself to the Pound Sterling if it could have German backed Euros?
Unless of course the Germans are tired of funding hangers on and don't want Scotland in the EU.
I'm a Scot living in England - I don't want a currency union.Can anyone explain why rUK would want to have anything to do with a currency union, or why Scotland would want to tie itself to the Pound Sterling if it could have German backed Euros?
Unless of course the Germans are tired of funding hangers on and don't want Scotland in the EU.
This independence malarky seems to be based on an awful lot of dependence.
- Currency, defence, medical research, etc.
If the Scottish electorate chose indepence - it should be on the undertsanding that they are wholly independent.
cardigankid said:
Because we see ourselves as British, certainly not French.
Can anyone explain why rUK would want to have anything to do with a currency union, or why Scotland would want to tie itself to the Pound Sterling if it could have German backed Euros?
Unless of course the Germans are tired of funding hangers on and don't want Scotland in the EU.
The Yes camp high heid yins have decided that the best way to further their cause is to say we'll get a currency union (while knowing the UK would reject this idea) so they can further enhance their preferred image of the "bullying UK".Can anyone explain why rUK would want to have anything to do with a currency union, or why Scotland would want to tie itself to the Pound Sterling if it could have German backed Euros?
Unless of course the Germans are tired of funding hangers on and don't want Scotland in the EU.
Nothing the yes camp say is about what's good for Scotland; it's simply a campaign to stir up as much resentment of Tories, English, no voters, etc as possible.
simoid said:
cardigankid said:
Because we see ourselves as British, certainly not French.
Can anyone explain why rUK would want to have anything to do with a currency union, or why Scotland would want to tie itself to the Pound Sterling if it could have German backed Euros?
Unless of course the Germans are tired of funding hangers on and don't want Scotland in the EU.
The Yes camp high heid yins have decided that the best way to further their cause is to say we'll get a currency union (while knowing the UK would reject this idea) so they can further enhance their preferred image of the "bullying UK".Can anyone explain why rUK would want to have anything to do with a currency union, or why Scotland would want to tie itself to the Pound Sterling if it could have German backed Euros?
Unless of course the Germans are tired of funding hangers on and don't want Scotland in the EU.
Nothing the yes camp say is about what's good for Scotland; it's simply a campaign to stir up as much resentment of Tories, English, no voters, etc as possible.
pcvdriver said:
And just how many replies in are you before mentioning it? The date was what made me make up my mind to bring people's attention to it.... It's nearly a year since it happened, but it seems the police have more important things on their minds.
Let's cats (oops, cast) our minds back about the woman caught on CCTV dumping a cat in a wheelie bin - within a day or two the footage was released to the public and she was quite rightly named and shamed (as well as prosecuted too for good measure)......
As you were Oakey......
That's odd, because the way you phrased your Original Post was to suggest that a politician campaigning for 'No' was getting more media coverage than a 'Yes' campaigner who had been assaulted.Let's cats (oops, cast) our minds back about the woman caught on CCTV dumping a cat in a wheelie bin - within a day or two the footage was released to the public and she was quite rightly named and shamed (as well as prosecuted too for good measure)......
As you were Oakey......
So now, having had it pointed out to you that assault happened a year ago, you're going to try and claim that you knew that all along and that was actually the deciding factor for your post? Despite the fact you never mentioned any of this whatsoever to begin with?
So basically, what you really wanted to know, is why a politician who was egged recently is getting more media coverage than a random pensioner who was assaulted a year ago? Do you think it's for the same reason that all the other assaults that no doubt happened throughout the country a year ago also didn't get widespread national media coverage?
You're so full of s
t it's leaking out of your ears. Now, don't you have to get back to flagellating yourself with thistles to purge yourself of your English?NoNeed said:
It would appear that the Scottish NHS is going through the same EU privatisation as the rest of it.http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/505304/EXCLUSIVE-The-secret-sell-out-of-Scotland-s-NHS
I thought SNP was socialist and believed in a full Public sector NHS - maybe SNP have lots of far reaching Tory policies. I'd not be happy with a private NHS and its good the press are realising this info so that the public can make their own minds up with respect to votingWelshbeef said:
NoNeed said:
It would appear that the Scottish NHS is going through the same EU privatisation as the rest of it.http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/505304/EXCLUSIVE-The-secret-sell-out-of-Scotland-s-NHS
I thought SNP was socialist and believed in a full Public sector NHS - maybe SNP have lots of far reaching Tory policies. I'd not be happy with a private NHS and its good the press are realising this info so that the public can make their own minds up with respect to votingThis is an old report but explains it better. The EU will privatise the NHS and the SNP wants into the EU.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/...
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