Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 5

[whoami]

Mr Daytona said:

No, I wouldn't have trouble with a direct answer as you so eloquently put it, but I would expect a more enlightened and informative one.

To expand somewhat on my hypothetical question (and question it was, not a hope) if Scotland was no longer part of the Union, then surely those born in Scotland - even if they have a UK passport - wouldn't be entitled to remain in the UK as they would effectively be a foreign national, Scotland itself voting to be that foreign Country.

Nor - unless they joined the EU which has already been declared a none starter - would they be entitled to remain here as members of the EU for the reason I've previously alluded to.

I suspect the amount of tax you may or may not pay would be pretty irrelevant if you, as someone born in a now foreign country, wanted to remain here.

And what impact do you think this would have on English unemployment (that you mentioned earlier)?

[Wrathalanche]

There's pics appearing on Twitter claiming that a 'Yes Hub' got firebombed in Glasgow. Having seen the pic I can confirm right now that it's not a Yes Shop at all, but literally an empty storefront that for the past few months has been stickered up to a hilarious degree. It's on Eglinton Street, just past Eglinton Toll in the Southside. Pretty sketchy neighbourhood (I used to live thereabouts).

Just thought I'd somewhat debunk that one before it gets rolling. Obviously I can't comment on the cause of the fire though. I did walk past it one night at 2am a couple of years ago when I lived there, and could see trough the shutters that there was about 30 African guys just sitting squeezed in around some picnic tables, all of them smoking. The amount smoke hanging in the air looked absolutely lethal.

[Walford]

NoNeed said:

If there is a yes vote then I hope the day after 59 MP's have whatever cards that give them access to our parliament removed and that they take no further part in UK politics.

but still get expenses
,

[Welshbeef]

Walford said:

but still get expenses
,

Well you need to cut £10billion on the 19/9/14 if its a yes vote so what's it going to be???


I love it when Yes voters keep ignoring this issue.

Remember we have 18 months from a yes vote until a split and Scotland is spending £1billion more per month than it takes. So yes you might think you'll walk away from £150billion plus debt but it will not be increasing by a further £18billion.


So go on give just one example of what you will cut.... (A hint its more than 20% of total budget you need to cut that's going to be painful. You might have to use the income tax raising powers which SNP have elected not to use - its increase or decrease by up to 3% for income tax a real job creating power not used....

[s2art]

confused_buyer said:

As for the future, although I do not think there is a hope in hell of a currency union or a union on much else Scotland appears to want I do think, unless Scotland goes completely bonkers, a deal will be done on Scotland becoming part of the CTA (Common Travel Area) similar to what we already have with RoI.

Pretty sure that would not be legal under the latest EU law. The old CTA was put in place long before the EU had any say.

[davepoth]

confused_buyer said:

As far as I am concerned, anyone who currently has UK citizenship is welcome to retain it, wherever they live. What I do perhaps have an issue with is people retaining that and taking new Scottish citizenship as well. It should be one or the other.

As for the future, although I do not think there is a hope in hell of a currency union or a union on much else Scotland appears to want I do think, unless Scotland goes completely bonkers, a deal will be done on Scotland becoming part of the CTA (Common Travel Area) similar to what we already have with RoI.

If they want to join the EU, they have to join Schengen. That's apparently non-negotiable. You can't be in the CTA and Schengen at the same time.

[Cobnapint]

Munter said:

McWigglebum4th said:

Now who did i bet we would see a terrorist event within 12 months




I will really enjoy drinking that money


But not as much as i would enjoy these wkers vanishing off the face of the earth

Isn't there a law against encouraging terrorism....

Exactly.

If you can get 4 years for trying to incite a riot via Facebook, the retard who did ^this needs his door knocking on.

[A.J.M]

As I'm working on the 18th, I have a postal vote..

Which I shall fill out tomorrow..

One side has the magical money and oil stting unicorn of social fairness and justic.

The other side doesn't have a unicorn. It does have bits of paper and metal I can put in my wallet and I know their value.

This is a tough choice...

[simoid]

It is rather exciting that folk are voting just now.

Do we get to hear any of the postal results, or are they just released when everything else is counted on the 18th/19th?

[SBDJ]

So this political genius we were told about many volumes ago, this man who would run rings around his opponents...

Article said:

Mr Salmond stumbled during a phone-in on BBC Radio Scotland after being pressed by a caller to admit that the pound was not an asset but “a means of exchange”. The First Minister replied: “We haven’t argued it’s the currency that’s the asset, it’s the financial assets of the United Kingdom.”

No, I'm fairly sure I've repeatedly heard how the nationalists believe the pound is an asset to be divided up like all others.

Article said:

The caller, identified as Mark from Elgin in Moray, asked Mr Salmond whether he would accept a share of the UK’s debts if he received some of the Bank of England’s reserves and gilts even if there was no currency union.
Mr Salmond said: “That’s the argument we’re putting forward – we say share of assets, share of liabilities.”
He continued to insist that would involve Scotland getting a share of the Bank of England, but did not say this time whether he meant gilts, reserves or something else.

Also amusingly:

Article said:

During a separate call, he appeared to contradict previous promises made to working class voters by stating that benefits would not increase in an independent Scotland.

Can't he just respend the oil revenues again? Works for everything else.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-in...

[NoNeed]

Cobnapint said:

Munter said:

McWigglebum4th said:

Now who did i bet we would see a terrorist event within 12 months




I will really enjoy drinking that money


But not as much as i would enjoy these wkers vanishing off the face of the earth

Isn't there a law against encouraging terrorism....

Exactly.

If you can get 4 years for trying to incite a riot via Facebook, the retard who did ^this needs his door knocking on.

Asking for trouble arn't they.

[Rick_1138]

Postal Vote for the Mrs (she will be away that week) so she asked me to watch as she did it to be sure she put a cross in the correct box.

A No from her.

I have to wait 2 weeks before I get to vote

Seeing more and more massive Yes banners going up, but on my way to work starting to see lots of the big purple No Thanks banners which is heartening.

Come the Yes vote, we are packing bags and looking to move to her parents in Formby.

[TheRainMaker]

SBDJ said:

He continued to insist that would involve Scotland getting a share of the Bank of England, but did not say this time whether he meant gilts, reserves or something else.

How can he do this when the UK doesn't even own any part of the Bank of England?

[Munter]

TheRainMaker said:

How can he do this when the UK doesn't even own any part of the Bank of England?

How isn't Mr Salmonds strong point. As far as I can see almost everything he's said comes crashing down with the use of these 4 characters: How?

[Big Rod]

I had a chat with an independence supporter on Saturday night.

Odd guy that I've known for years but rarely keep in touch with him. He's not stupid, he does some very complicated stuff with IT but has always lacked commons sense. I think you could call him intellectual rather than intelligent.

Anyway, due to the company we were in the subject was raised and it wasn't long before the usual victim stuff started to get trotted out, 'Scotland pays more to the union than it gets out.', 'our' oil, Thatcher', etc, etc...

Then he came out with a cracker...

..."Do you want to be ruled by peadophiles?"

I had to stop the conversation right there.

[plasticpig]

Mr Daytona said:

Genuine question this, so be gentle but if (and I would stress if only) Scotland did vote in favour of a independence and effectively leave the Union, could the remaining Union members. "ask" those Scots who live/work here to return home ? Surely they wouldn't have any rights to remain in the UK or the EU ? Certainly would be a way to reduce our unemployment figures, but several million Scots returning home on masse would devastate that Country ?

Suspect this might have been answered before, but it does run to a fair few pages. Lol. For the record though, hope Scotland votes a resounding NO. We have far too much history together and I think we are stronger for the Union.

Kicking all the Scottish out of rUK would mean that Cameron could meet his immigration targets

[Blib]

plasticpig said:

Kicking all the Scottish out of rUK would mean that Cameron could meet his immigration targets

[barryrs]

plasticpig said:

Mr Daytona said:

Genuine question this, so be gentle but if (and I would stress if only) Scotland did vote in favour of a independence and effectively leave the Union, could the remaining Union members. "ask" those Scots who live/work here to return home ? Surely they wouldn't have any rights to remain in the UK or the EU ? Certainly would be a way to reduce our unemployment figures, but several million Scots returning home on masse would devastate that Country ?

Suspect this might have been answered before, but it does run to a fair few pages. Lol. For the record though, hope Scotland votes a resounding NO. We have far too much history together and I think we are stronger for the Union.

Kicking all the Scottish out of rUK would mean that Cameron could meet his immigration targets

And Alex Salmond would meet his immigration targets; win, win then

[nellyleelephant]

Guam said:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/...

Looks like we might get a yes vote after all

No more whinging aholes I cant wait

Bring it on, I am with you my Bretheren!

Fingers crossed, then I can buy my highland retreat for peanuts when it all goes tits up!

[simoid]

Rick_1138 said:

Seeing more and more massive Yes banners going up, but on my way to work starting to see lots of the big purple No Thanks banners which is heartening.

Come the Yes vote, we are packing bags and looking to move to her parents in Formby.

Drove past Drymen etc recently and there's a few No Thanks banners (3 I think) on a fairly small stretch of road.

Would it help a no vote if every no voter started displaying that they were going to vote no?

Just another way to divide the population, or negating the effects of the yes stickers littered (literally....) everywhere?