What's Italian for 'kipper? Anti-migrant stunt goes awry.

[longblackcoat]

mrpurple said:

I don't think that somehow he is trying convince barristers and doubt you fit many peoples' interpretation of a bloke-on-the-street either. Surprise surprise, I also doubt he would like very much about you but, as yet, I have not seen him spend hours posting about you on a forum.

True, but I'm not a public servant, nor am I the leader of a political party. So if Farage were to spend any time posting about me, I'd be amazed.

As to whether he'd like me? He's a politician, he put himself out there .....he doesn't get the choice over whether he likes the electorate.

[anonymous-user]

Keep starting threads? there are several pro UKIP threads, and so what? I have started one "take the piss out of Nige and his dupes" thread, and rarely bother contributing to the UKIP love ins elsewhere in the room.

Besides, this is just a meaningless internet talking shop. We can talk about whatever we like, subject to PH rules and libel. The NPE approach to free speech appears to be "You are only allowed free speech if you support UKIP, hate the unemployed, deny AGW, hate T Blair, and so on. Any other views will be shouted down, and anyone expressing views that are not approved will be subjected to personal vitriol.", but some of us don't care about all that, and are immune to vitriol. We can start whatever threads we like, don't need or seek your permission or approval, and no one is conscripted to read threads, post on them, or give a toss about them. See also: the internet.

[mrpurple]

longblackcoat said:

mrpurple said:

I don't think that somehow he is trying convince barristers and doubt you fit many peoples' interpretation of a bloke-on-the-street either. Surprise surprise, I also doubt he would like very much about you but, as yet, I have not seen him spend hours posting about you on a forum.

True, but I'm not a public servant, nor am I the leader of a political party. So if Farage were to spend any time posting about me, I'd be amazed.

As to whether he'd like me? He's a politician, he put himself out there .....he doesn't get the choice over whether he likes the electorate.

How refreshing to get a reply that is not full of bile and vitriol, unlike other members of your profession.

[longblackcoat]

mrpurple said:

longblackcoat said:

mrpurple said:

I don't think that somehow he is trying convince barristers and doubt you fit many peoples' interpretation of a bloke-on-the-street either. Surprise surprise, I also doubt he would like very much about you but, as yet, I have not seen him spend hours posting about you on a forum.

True, but I'm not a public servant, nor am I the leader of a political party. So if Farage were to spend any time posting about me, I'd be amazed.

As to whether he'd like me? He's a politician, he put himself out there .....he doesn't get the choice over whether he likes the electorate.

How refreshing to get a reply that is not full of bile and vitriol, unlike other members of your profession.

I know it's the internet (and worse than that, PH), but we don't all have to do bile and vitriol, do we? I try not to.

Mind you, I'm not an ambulance-chaser; I'm from the bean-counting side of the street.

[Zod]

WinstonWolf said:

I wouldn't be so confident if I were you, look at how much time the anti's have invested just on PH.

If they weren't a threat why would you bother, just ignore UKIP.

Oh FFS, not again: the reason I care about Farage is very simple: he and the people who vote for his party will condemn the country to five years (at least) of Labour government that will get back to inflating the size of the state sector, increasing taxes and signing up to closer integration into the EU.

[Zod]

Guam said:

Zod said:

WinstonWolf said:

I wouldn't be so confident if I were you, look at how much time the anti's have invested just on PH.

If they weren't a threat why would you bother, just ignore UKIP.

Oh FFS, not again: the reason I care about Farage is very simple: he and the people who vote for his party will condemn the country to five years (at least) of Labour government that will get back to inflating the size of the state sector, increasing taxes and signing up to closer integration into the EU.

Oh and that has never happened under a conservative administration then?

Has the economy improved under this government or not? Did the previous government damage the economy? Do you think Labour would improve or damage the economy?

I don't care what previous Conservative governments did by way of signing EU Treaties. That is the past. I care about the present and the future. UKIP offers only disruption that will bring about a Labour government. Even you admit that, but affect insouciance on the basis that it makes no difference whether Labour or the Conservative are in power. It makes a massive difference and that is why UKIP and its supporters (and ex-Liberal voters who just might be thinking about whether they might possibly vote UKIP, but are definitely not UKIPpers, although they spend an awful lot of time in UKIP threads) annoy me.

[4v6]

Zod said:

Oh FFS, not again: the reason I care about Farage is very simple: he and the people who vote for his party will condemn the country to five years (at least) of Labour government that will get back to inflating the size of the state sector, increasing taxes and signing up to closer integration into the EU.

I get it now! I do I get it! Its Ukips fault that labour will/might/hopefully not get in because the tories are bit crap.

That really clears it up for me, thanks.
I'd rather give Kim Jong Un a w@nk with the cheeks of my ar$e than play that vote tory to keep labour out nonsense.
Its pathetic, youre blaming everyone else for the lack of depth and appeal of the tory party.
Boo Hoo! Vote Ukip instead then.

[Colonial]

It's like watching otherwise intelligent people being sucked in by a charismatic cult leader.

[WinstonWolf]

Zod said:

WinstonWolf said:

I wouldn't be so confident if I were you, look at how much time the anti's have invested just on PH.

If they weren't a threat why would you bother, just ignore UKIP.

Oh FFS, not again: the reason I care about Farage is very simple: he and the people who vote for his party will condemn the country to five years (at least) of Labour government that will get back to inflating the size of the state sector, increasing taxes and signing up to closer integration into the EU.

Not if you vote for them. Voting Tory looks to be a sure fire way to a Labour government from where I'm sitting.

Besides, vote Dave, get Green...

[AshVX220]

Colonial said:

It's like watching otherwise intelligent people being sucked in by a charismatic cult leader.

I know, it's ridiculous, but we live in hope that common sense will prevail and they'll vote UKIP.

[Colonial]

Guam said:

Well if we could all do what you did and sod off somewhere else, we would focus on where we were rather than were we used to be and where the outcome has no impact on our new life.

Perhaps you should focus on your backyard rather than ours?

But the standard of debate is so much better here.

[Colonial]

Guam said:

Is that mildly racist towards your new home?

Perhaps you should move back as you seem to miss our political chaos so much

It's mildly critical of my original home

I joined when I was living and working in the UK until I lost my job in the gfc.

I'll be back. Brilliant country.

If UKIP let me in that is...

[Countdown]

Colonial said:

It's like watching otherwise intelligent people being sucked in by a charismatic cult leader.

I'd suggest that both the "charismatic" and "otherwise intelligent" bits of your statement are debatable. However your spellchecker appears to be in fine fettle

[smegmore]

Countdown said:

I'd suggest that both the "charismatic" and "otherwise intelligent" bits of your statement are debatable. However your spellchecker appears to be in fine fettle

LOL

[Zod]

Guam said:

That wasn't the point ,I know its fashionable around here to move the goal posts when someone questions a statement, how about breaking the mould and answering the question? Have these things occurred under a Conservative administration?

ETA let me help you out ZOD, here is a list of Tory councils planning increases this year.

Aylesbury Vale District Council – 1.99 per cent.

Buckinghamshire County Council – 1.5 per cent.

Cambridgeshire County Council. 1.99 per cent

Devon Council Council – 1.99 per cent

Dorset Council Council – 1.99 per cent

East Sussex – 1.95 per cent

Kent County Council – 1.99 per cent

Medway Council – 1.99 per cent.

Mid Suffolk District Council – 1.72 per cent

North East Lincolnshire Council 1.99 per cent.

North Yorkshire County Council – 1.99 per cent

Northamptonshire County Council – 1.99 per cent

Oxfordshire County Council. 1.99 per cent.

Surrey County Council – 1.99 per cent.

Tunbridge Wells District Council – 1.99 per cent

West Dorset – 1.99 per cent

Worcestershire – 1.94 per cent

Not Central Govt I agree but I am certain you will answer my question re administrations in the spirit its intended no?

Edited by Guam on Wednesday 16th April 11:39

I don't give a toss about these planning increases. What on Earth makes them relevant to this discussion?

I've just realised that you were actually talking about councils planning spending increases, not increasing planning consents (you ought to look at your prose). Those are areas enjoying decent growth. If the increased spending is done wisely, people may be happy with it. If not, then they can always elect councillors from other parties. Even if this is spending, rather than planning, I really can't get very excited about it.

Edited by Zod on Wednesday 16th April 14:30

[Zod]

This is what voting UKIP will take away (as for the person who wroote "vote Tory, get Labour" ):

[Zod]

Guam said:

Zod said:

This is what voting UKIP will take away (as for the person who wroote "vote Tory, get Labour" ):

And historically how much of the increase in the initial levels was due to either party, a correction was long overdue, and as for Govt creating jobs in the private sector you are having a laugh, they don't employ people in industry guys like me do, and recruitment is driven by demand and the likely demand down the road.

The best thing any government can do for us is to stay the hell out of our way!

Of course government doesn't create private sector jobs; that's the whole point. Government influences conditions that either encourage or discourage private sector job creation.

[Einion Yrth]

Zod said:

Of course government doesn't create private sector jobs; that's the whole point. Government influences conditions that either encourage or discourage private sector job creation.

Government meddles constantly, at best ineffectually and at worst disastrously.

[Zod]

Einion Yrth said:

Zod said:

Of course government doesn't create private sector jobs; that's the whole point. Government influences conditions that either encourage or discourage private sector job creation.

Government meddles constantly, at best ineffectually and at worst disastrously.

and Labour meddles far more. The results speak for themselves over each of our lifetimes. It's not difficult to understand: if business conditions matter to you, then you don't want a Labour government.

[DonkeyApple]

WinstonWolf said:

Guam said:

Mark Benson said:

DonkeyApple said:

Again I agree, but I don't believe it is up to the British to be the morality police for mainland Europe, any more than they should be ours. If UKIPs aim is for Britain to leave the EU then why are they in the EU soaking up funding and getting involved in matters which we, if not in the EU, would have no truck with?

Surely it is better to just leave the EU than try and change it or collapse it or obstruct it? This is why I am not understanding what UKIP are up to as all I can see is another group milking us just like the Kinnocks and many others.

The Tories are the best bet for a referendum and the reality is that if one is held it will almost certainly result in a successful vote to leave. And at that point we walk away from all the people who are milking a system that is seemingly at odds with very many Britons.

I think a lot of people, me included are sceptical that the Tories will actually deliver an open and honest in/out referendum. Indeed, I'm doubtful at the moment that they'll form a majority government.

The 'Cast Iron Guarantee' (leaving the loophole for Gordon Brown to jump through by rushing to sign the treaty, which he predictably did) and the 'Bonfire of the Quangos', being the two most prominent electioneering promises not delivered.

^^^^ This!

Yup, a cast iron guarantee of a straight in/out referendum by a certain date. We've been 'promised' a referendum for long enough, the time has come for one and then we can all move on.

I believe UKIP are the only party that will deliver.

There is the nub. UKIP cannot deliver. If you want a referendum then voting for a party that can never hold one is a strange tactic.

UKIP cannot win a general election and not could they form a coalition.

The Tories are the only party holding a hope for a referendum and 2015 is going to be a close run thing between them and Labour and votes being spent on UKIP are going to strengthen Labour, the party who have stated they will never hold a referendum.

I still am not clear on what UKIP is doing in Europe other than earning a lot of money. I am yet to be convinced that UKIP isn't just a smart City chap who can earn far more peddling Daily Mail style pitches than he can working back in the City.

Who are his 'shadow' cabintet? If they are serious about seizing seats in the UK and forming a coalition with the Tories so as to ensure there is a referendum then why are they doing nothing about it?

I just don't see what their objectives are and no one seems able to educate me on this.