What's Italian for 'kipper? Anti-migrant stunt goes awry.

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WinstonWolf said:

Countdown said:

Thanks. I'd be very interested in this because I can't think of anybody whose living standards have fallen over the last 20 years.

Ahem...

Ahem what? I'm thinking back to the quality of life we had 20-30 years ago and nobody I'm aware of has worse conditions now than they did back then, be that individual earnings or wider social conditions (housing, crime, health provision). So I'm genuinely interested why yours might have fallen? Although the obfuscation suggests you're just making it up......

[WinstonWolf]

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WinstonWolf said:

Countdown said:

Thanks. I'd be very interested in this because I can't think of anybody whose living standards have fallen over the last 20 years.

Ahem...

Ahem what? I'm thinking back to the quality of life we had 20-30 years ago and nobody I'm aware of has worse conditions now than they did back then, be that individual earnings or wider social conditions (housing, crime, health provision). So I'm genuinely interested why yours might have fallen? Although the obfuscation suggests you're just making it up......

Perhaps we should ask Gorgeous George?

I'm assuming you are aware of the austerity measures?

How's your energy bills been this last decade? What are they, about double? Bet your wages aren't...

What did you earn in 2004 and what do you earn today?

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WinstonWolf said:

Perhaps we should ask Gorgeous George?

I'm assuming you are aware of the austerity measures?

Yes I am. Cuts in public sector spending and benefits as far as I'm aware. But that's a relatively recent thing and it's not really applicable to the last 20 years, is it?

WinstonWolf said:

How's your energy bills been this last decade? What are they, about double? Bet your wages aren't...

You'd lose that bet.

WinstonWolf said:

What did you earn in 2004 and what do you earn today?

2004 - junior accountant - about £25k 2014 - Deputy FD - a lot more than in 2004.

So - care to explain why your living standards have fallen?

[league67]

don4l said:

league67 said:

don4l said:

DonkeyApple said:

I'm not voting for a guy but for a party.

I've not accused anyone of not getting it either. In fact, the exact opposite, I have stated time and again that I don't get UKIP and asked questions to which no one seems able to answer.

On the matter of the EU the only party with any ability to offer the British people a say are the Tories. No one has been able to explain just how UKIP which is really just a one man party could deliver. At the same time no one can explain just what it is they are doing in Europe.

If you really believe that Dave Cameron will offer you a referendum on EU membership, then you're a little bit "special".

He told us this before, and some people were stupid enough to believe it.

I'm a bit gobsmacked that anybody would be stupid enough to fall for the same ste twice.

Lets say that you are correct; CmD will not offer referendum. What the heck did UKIP achieve then. Most kippers highlight forcing referendum as the main (I read only) achievement. Of course, traveling 1st class on EU gravy train is but a side effect.

The fact that Dave won't offer a referendum speaks volumes about the idiots that think he isn't lying again.

UKIP have pushed him into a corner, and he has given a tighter guarantee. However he still has wriggle room. He has said that he will re-negotiate our membership terms and then offer us a referendum. He will fail to re-negotiate our terms and therefore he won't have to offer a referendum.

Dave is NOT going to offer a referendum.

So for all UKIP pushing him into the corner, the tangible result of all that pushing is? Let me help you out here. Do you think that Dave would offer referendum if UKIP didn't exist?

It's a yes / no question. Binary please. No stories.

[WinstonWolf]

Countdown said:

WinstonWolf said:

Perhaps we should ask Gorgeous George?

I'm assuming you are aware of the austerity measures?

Yes I am. Cuts in public sector spending and benefits as far as I'm aware. But that's a relatively recent thing and it's not really applicable to the last 20 years, is it?

WinstonWolf said:

How's your energy bills been this last decade? What are they, about double? Bet your wages aren't...

You'd lose that bet.

WinstonWolf said:

What did you earn in 2004 and what do you earn today?

2004 - junior accountant - about £25k 2014 - Deputy FD - a lot more than in 2004.

So - care to explain why your living standards have fallen?

No mortgage, sufficient money in the bank, as a saver with zero debts to my name the low interest rates haven't suited me.

Unfortunately I'm paying for Labour's tax and spend policy...

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WinstonWolf said:

No mortgage, sufficient money in the bank, as a saver with zero debts to my name the low interest rates haven't suited me.
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And that's caused your living standards to fall to where they were 20 years ago......?

[WinstonWolf]

Countdown said:

WinstonWolf said:

No mortgage, sufficient money in the bank, as a saver with zero debts to my name the low interest rates haven't suited me.
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And that's caused your living standards to fall to where they were 20 years ago......?

Yup, I made good provision then Winky Mcfkwit took out an Ocean Finance loan.

Anyway, to get it back on topic, do you believe "you've never had it so good" figures?

Take the average public sector employee over the last decade. Pay rises of 1% over three years if they're lucky. Fuel costs have doubled, energy costs have gone through the roof, and as a deputy FD you reckon they won't be worse off?

Seen the news about food banks this week, you reckon people are using them for fun?

[turbobloke]

Guam said:

Checking in off my phone, some of what was on sky is here, doent appear to be all of it but seems to be the core, cant play the audio where I am so am assuming the key points are in the narrative.

Out again now for a couple of days.

http://news.sky.com/story/1243530/official-average...

Article said:

Pay increases averaged 2% in the private sector and 0.9% in the public sector.

It added the number of people out of work in the UK fell by 77,000 between December and February.

The unemployment rate of 6.9% is the lowest for five years.

Good news for a long weekend.

[league67]

WinstonWolf said:

Countdown said:

WinstonWolf said:

No mortgage, sufficient money in the bank, as a saver with zero debts to my name the low interest rates haven't suited me.
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And that's caused your living standards to fall to where they were 20 years ago......?

Yup, I made good provision then Winky Mcfkwit took out an Ocean Finance loan.

Anyway, to get it back on topic, do you believe "you've never had it so good" figures?

Take the average public sector employee over the last decade. Pay rises of 1% over three years if they're lucky. Fuel costs have doubled, energy costs have gone through the roof, and as a deputy FD you reckon they won't be worse off?

Seen the news about food banks this week, you reckon people are using them for fun?

So, Churchill boy, your own living standards didn't actually fall at all? Unless the process of paying off the mortgage and saving money equates to drop in living standards. When you were typing 'mine did' you were actually thinking about poor public sector workers. It's like sympathy pains...

[WinstonWolf]

For the great majority living standards have dropped.

Now, about these food banks, eat or heat is a very real problem.

Vote Dave, get expensive inefficient windmills.

[league67]

WinstonWolf said:

For the great majority living standards have dropped.

Now, about these food banks, eat or heat is a very real problem.

Vote Dave, get expensive inefficient windmills.

You said that yours did. Stop wiggling. Once again, did yours drop or not?

I do understand that you have heart as big as Russia, and that your heart bleeds for oppressed masses and their living standard, but once again, for the record, did your living standards fall or not? Why are you avoiding such a simple question?

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WinstonWolf said:

For the great majority living standards have dropped.

Now, about these food banks, eat or heat is a very real problem.

Vote Dave, get expensive inefficient windmills.

Or "make up various statistics and vote UKIP" it appears....

Guam stated that living standards had fallen over the last 20 years. Your "evidence" to back this up was your savings earning little or nothing in interest (even though, for a big chunk of that time, rates have been over 5%). Case closed I guess.

The last 6 years aren't the last 20 years. And things appear to be getting better, which means there will be fewer and fewer people blaming their personal misfortune/problems on immigrants/homosexuals//CMD or the EU, which in turn doesn't bode well for Ukip. Unfortunately the "illness" for which Our Nige was the panacea seems to have been cured

[WinstonWolf]

league67 said:

WinstonWolf said:

For the great majority living standards have dropped.

Now, about these food banks, eat or heat is a very real problem.

Vote Dave, get expensive inefficient windmills.

You said that yours did. Stop wiggling. Once again, did yours drop or not?

I do understand that you have heart as big as Russia, and that your heart bleeds for oppressed masses and their living standard, but once again, for the record, did your living standards fall or not? Why are you avoiding such a simple question?

Yup, but if you think I'm posting personal details on the internet you're going to have a long wait.

Do you think living standards have improved during the austerity measures?

[anonymous-user]

This is a general point about NPE rather than UKIP. It is sometimes suggested on threads such as this one that in NPE there are quite a few posters who display bigoted opinions. Those posters may or may not (let's assume not) support UKIP. In response, people often says "there is no (or not much) bigotry in NPE: is you say there is, quote some examples." Doing that can be tricky and/or tiresome because who wants to comb through old threads looking for examples of antediluvian opinions? Here, however, is a neat collection of some good old fashioned bad old fashioned stuff.

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 18th April 09:41

[league67]

WinstonWolf said:

league67 said:

WinstonWolf said:

For the great majority living standards have dropped.

Now, about these food banks, eat or heat is a very real problem.

Vote Dave, get expensive inefficient windmills.

You said that yours did. Stop wiggling. Once again, did yours drop or not?

I do understand that you have heart as big as Russia, and that your heart bleeds for oppressed masses and their living standard, but once again, for the record, did your living standards fall or not? Why are you avoiding such a simple question?

Yup, but if you think I'm posting personal details on the internet you're going to have a long wait.

Do you think living standards have improved during the austerity measures?

Your personal details? You were the one volunteering information about your mortgage and savings, nobody asked, or probably cared. I still fail to understand how paying off mortgage, and have savings results in lower living standards.

Great late Hitchens quoted someone while debating immaculate conception; 'Is it more likely that laws of physics have been suspended, or that the Jewish girl was telling fibs'.

Occam's razor, my dear Churchill, Occam's razor.

[WinstonWolf]

Avoiding the question I see...

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WinstonWolf said:

Avoiding the question I see...

I wouldn't worry. Weasels avoiding questions can be identified quite easily.....

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More Ukip hypocrisy?

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/news/article/3156/uk...

[don4l]

league67 said:

So for all UKIP pushing him into the corner, the tangible result of all that pushing is? Let me help you out here. Do you think that Dave would offer referendum if UKIP didn't exist?

It's a yes / no question. Binary please. No stories.

No.

[league67]

WinstonWolf said:

Avoiding the question I see...

I'm sure that you can see, but why do you do it? Why are you trying to introduce austerity into the question, it's irrelevant. Once again, how owning a place without mortgage equates to lowering living standards?

C'mon this is becoming more embarrassing for you than 'like Churchill' fiasco.