Transferrring/Retaining a number plate on sold car
Discussion
Howard- said:
The fact of the matter is that the plate belongs to the car, not the owner of the car.
I don't disagree with you legally. However I tried to cover any issues here, by stating the plate was not sold with car, and was to be returned to the seller, with the seller covering the costs of retention on the receipt.No idea where legally it would have got to if there was an issue.
Howard- said:
Once money has changed hands and the car belongs to its new owner, this new owner can do with the plate what they please, whether that means deciding to cooperate with your request to have the plate transferred back to you, or not.
I'm curious - what could the new owner have done to not co-operate? He would not have got the car if he didn't sign the paperwork. The retention paperwork was signed by him, and us, and sent to DVLA. What could he have done to stop the process - other than breaking into DVLA Swansea, and finding the paperwork and destroying it?The biggest risk I can see in all of this is that the DVLA lose the paperwork.
That was certainly a fear of mine, but I had to reason not to trust the buyer that if this had happened we could have rectified between us.
Seeing as this has come up my plate transfer went through ok, the dealer send my v5 etc off and I got the new v5 back along with the retention certificate. I am still waiting for the MOT and tax disc.
I've called the DVLA and they said the tax and mot has been sent to me but they won't speak to me about it being lost until may 1st. The main thing is I've got the plate back but I would like to cash the tax in and now we are at the end of the month I've lost some money which is annoying.
I've just sent my retention certificate off with the V5 for my new car so lets see if the DVLA can put a plate on and change the owner on a car at the same time.
I've called the DVLA and they said the tax and mot has been sent to me but they won't speak to me about it being lost until may 1st. The main thing is I've got the plate back but I would like to cash the tax in and now we are at the end of the month I've lost some money which is annoying.
I've just sent my retention certificate off with the V5 for my new car so lets see if the DVLA can put a plate on and change the owner on a car at the same time.
Hi Fats25
This is really helpful, thank you. Please would you let me know if you submitted 2 x V317 to DVLA or just 1 but with the new owner info on page one and then my info on page 2 as the Grantee?
Many thanks again
Andy
This is really helpful, thank you. Please would you let me know if you submitted 2 x V317 to DVLA or just 1 but with the new owner info on page one and then my info on page 2 as the Grantee?
Many thanks again
Andy
Fats25 said:
So back to this thread again. Ignore the doomsayers that say you must transfer a registration number before selling a car. It is absolute rubbish!
There is a process that works, and it is as I stated above.
The buyer received the V5, Tax and MOT to their address, and we (the seller) received the retention document in correct name to our address. No hardship at all to the seller or the buyer. It didn't even take any longer than a normal retention (I know as I also put my car on retention the same day, and both came back on the same day).
If anyone wants a template on how to do this use the following:-
"DVLA Personalised Registrations,
Swansea
SA99 1DS
<INSERT DATE>
Dear Sirs,
Following on from a verbal conversation I had with DVLA on <INSERT DATE>, this covering letter is to explain the request for Retention of Personalised Registration at the same time as Transferring vehicle to New Keeper.
The details are.
New Keeper details for <INSERT Vehicle>
<INSERT NEW KEEPER ADDRESS>
1. V5 form completed with new keeper information, and countersigned.
2. New Keeper details section provided to new keeper at point of sale
Retention of registration
1. Form V317 signed by new registered keeper of <INSERT Vehicle> (<INSERT BUYER NAME>)
2. Form V317 signed by current registered keeper, and Grantee (<INSERT SELLER NAME>)
3. Tax details for <INSERT Vehicle> enclosed
4. MOT for <INSERT Vehicle> enclosed.
5. £105 transfer fee enclosed for transfer of registration
Expectation from conversation with DVLA is that the following will happen:-
1) New Tax and MOT will be sent to <INSERT Vehicle> new keeper (<INSERT BUYER NAME>) within 10 working days of receipt
2) Number plates on vehicle will be switched on receipt of Tax and MOT
3) New V5 will be sent to <INSERT Vehicle> new keeper (<INSERT Buyer Name>) within 10 working days of tax and MOT being sent
4) Retention document for <INSERT retained number plate> will be sent to current keeper (<INSERT Seller Name>)
If there are any questions or concerns, please contact via phone on .............
Yours sincerely, "
Hope this helps next time this question comes up. It will also work if you want to transfer rather than retain, by tweaking the text a bit.
There is a process that works, and it is as I stated above.
The buyer received the V5, Tax and MOT to their address, and we (the seller) received the retention document in correct name to our address. No hardship at all to the seller or the buyer. It didn't even take any longer than a normal retention (I know as I also put my car on retention the same day, and both came back on the same day).
If anyone wants a template on how to do this use the following:-
"DVLA Personalised Registrations,
Swansea
SA99 1DS
<INSERT DATE>
Dear Sirs,
Following on from a verbal conversation I had with DVLA on <INSERT DATE>, this covering letter is to explain the request for Retention of Personalised Registration at the same time as Transferring vehicle to New Keeper.
The details are.
New Keeper details for <INSERT Vehicle>
<INSERT NEW KEEPER ADDRESS>
1. V5 form completed with new keeper information, and countersigned.
2. New Keeper details section provided to new keeper at point of sale
Retention of registration
1. Form V317 signed by new registered keeper of <INSERT Vehicle> (<INSERT BUYER NAME>)
2. Form V317 signed by current registered keeper, and Grantee (<INSERT SELLER NAME>)
3. Tax details for <INSERT Vehicle> enclosed
4. MOT for <INSERT Vehicle> enclosed.
5. £105 transfer fee enclosed for transfer of registration
Expectation from conversation with DVLA is that the following will happen:-
1) New Tax and MOT will be sent to <INSERT Vehicle> new keeper (<INSERT BUYER NAME>) within 10 working days of receipt
2) Number plates on vehicle will be switched on receipt of Tax and MOT
3) New V5 will be sent to <INSERT Vehicle> new keeper (<INSERT Buyer Name>) within 10 working days of tax and MOT being sent
4) Retention document for <INSERT retained number plate> will be sent to current keeper (<INSERT Seller Name>)
If there are any questions or concerns, please contact via phone on .............
Yours sincerely, "
Hope this helps next time this question comes up. It will also work if you want to transfer rather than retain, by tweaking the text a bit.
AndyChras said:
Hi Fats25
This is really helpful, thank you. Please would you let me know if you submitted 2 x V317 to DVLA or just 1 but with the new owner info on page one and then my info on page 2 as the Grantee?
Many thanks again
Andy
Just 1 x V317 form. As you state above with the grantee as the seller. The covering letter took care of the rest.This is really helpful, thank you. Please would you let me know if you submitted 2 x V317 to DVLA or just 1 but with the new owner info on page one and then my info on page 2 as the Grantee?
Many thanks again
Andy
Glad a found this thread although it's confuzzled me trying to understand it. I've just sold my van and have the same problem, the new owners are known to me so I'm hoping I can just get him to transfer the plate over when he gets his V5 back. The other ball ache now is working out this road tax refund.
SSC! said:
Glad a found this thread although it's confuzzled me trying to understand it. I've just sold my van and have the same problem, the new owners are known to me so I'm hoping I can just get him to transfer the plate over when he gets his V5 back. The other ball ache now is working out this road tax refund.
You will automatically get a refund for any remaining months left on the tax. The new owner will have to tax it from scratch. Unfortunately that will mean paying for this month too, even though we are almost half way through it SSC! said:
Glad a found this thread although it's confuzzled me trying to understand it. I've just sold my van and have the same problem, the new owners are known to me so I'm hoping I can just get him to transfer the plate over when he gets his V5 back.
Unfortunately if V5 has now been sent off, then when returned he will be the owner of the number plate. You will be relying on his honesty now to transfer the plate to you as the nominee once he receives the V5 back, and he will need to get a replacement MOT and Tax etc (no cost) from DVLA. You may well end up having to sub the guy you sold any admin fees on his insurance (most insurance companies I spoke to will give you a 2 week window to change details due to private plate transfers, but this will now go over that timeline).
Unfortunately the advice I gave above only works if you send the letter with the V5 back to the DVLA. You missed the boat on this I am afraid.
Fats25 said:
SSC! said:
Glad a found this thread although it's confuzzled me trying to understand it. I've just sold my van and have the same problem, the new owners are known to me so I'm hoping I can just get him to transfer the plate over when he gets his V5 back.
Unfortunately if V5 has now been sent off, then when returned he will be the owner of the number plate. You will be relying on his honesty now to transfer the plate to you as the nominee once he receives the V5 back, and he will need to get a replacement MOT and Tax etc (no cost) from DVLA. You may well end up having to sub the guy you sold any admin fees on his insurance (most insurance companies I spoke to will give you a 2 week window to change details due to private plate transfers, but this will now go over that timeline).
Unfortunately the advice I gave above only works if you send the letter with the V5 back to the DVLA. You missed the boat on this I am afraid.
St John Smythe said:
Moral of the story is, transfer the plate before selling the car. I learnt this the hard way
If you can do that then that is best. OR
Do as I state above, and transfer it as part of the selling process which works seamlessly.
Unfortunately once the V5 has been sent, without the covering letter and the transfer of licence fee, and form, the ball is out of your court. You are now reliant of honesty of the purchaser.
Fats25 said:
St John Smythe said:
Moral of the story is, transfer the plate before selling the car. I learnt this the hard way
If you can do that then that is best. OR
Do as I state above, and transfer it as part of the selling process which works seamlessly.
Unfortunately once the V5 has been sent, without the covering letter and the transfer of licence fee, and form, the ball is out of your court. You are now reliant of honesty of the purchaser.
Fats25 said:
SSC! said:
Glad a found this thread although it's confuzzled me trying to understand it. I've just sold my van and have the same problem, the new owners are known to me so I'm hoping I can just get him to transfer the plate over when he gets his V5 back.
Unfortunately if V5 has now been sent off, then when returned he will be the owner of the number plate. You will be relying on his honesty now to transfer the plate to you as the nominee once he receives the V5 back, and he will need to get a replacement MOT and Tax etc (no cost) from DVLA. You may well end up having to sub the guy you sold any admin fees on his insurance (most insurance companies I spoke to will give you a 2 week window to change details due to private plate transfers, but this will now go over that timeline).
Unfortunately the advice I gave above only works if you send the letter with the V5 back to the DVLA. You missed the boat on this I am afraid.
Ok so this bit here just to clarify....
1. Form V317 signed by new registered keeper of <INSERT Vehicle> (<INSERT BUYER NAME>)
2. Form V317 signed by current registered keeper, and Grantee (<INSERT SELLER NAME>)
I obviously just get the new owner to fill in section 2 sign then make me the grantee. I am not putting the plate on my car as I do not have the car yet (damn my timing is way off!!) am I right? Then just put the lot to DVLA?
1. Form V317 signed by new registered keeper of <INSERT Vehicle> (<INSERT BUYER NAME>)
2. Form V317 signed by current registered keeper, and Grantee (<INSERT SELLER NAME>)
I obviously just get the new owner to fill in section 2 sign then make me the grantee. I am not putting the plate on my car as I do not have the car yet (damn my timing is way off!!) am I right? Then just put the lot to DVLA?
I'm a buyer going to look at a car tomorrow with a private plate that the seller wants to retain if I buy the car. I have no problem with this. We are over 200 miles apart and I've already purchased a train ticket to go and view the car.
From the conversation with him he thinks this is the best course of action if I buy the car.
He will fill in V317 (Just him as he's the registered keeper of the plate, I think he will fill in section 2 - "Details of the vehicle that the registration is being transferred or retained from")
We both fill in log book adding my details and I should get it back in my name and maybe/hopefully with original vehicle registration.
Drive away with his plates, and send them back (assuming I would need to get insurance and tax with his personal plates and then change when new V5 arrives.
Is there any holes in doing it the way he has suggested?
Looking at the V317 it's a little confusing as the guidance notes state this below (copy and pasted) so should I actually fill in the section 2? or would what the seller suggested be workable?
Section 2 – Details of the vehicle that
the vehicle registration number is being
transferred or retained from
[b]Only the registered keeper or the person about to
become the registered keeper of this vehicle can apply.[/b]
Give all the details section 2 asks for.
• If you are enclosing a New keeper’s details (V5C/2)
with an ‘Application for a Vehicle registration certificate’
(V62) you must ensure that it has not been previously
stamped by the DVLA. If your V5C/2 has been
previously stamped or you do not have one, you
will need to fill in a V62 and wait for your registration
certificate before you apply for a transfer or retention.
You cannot continue with your application.
• The registered keeper of this vehicle must sign and
date the declaration.
From the conversation with him he thinks this is the best course of action if I buy the car.
He will fill in V317 (Just him as he's the registered keeper of the plate, I think he will fill in section 2 - "Details of the vehicle that the registration is being transferred or retained from")
We both fill in log book adding my details and I should get it back in my name and maybe/hopefully with original vehicle registration.
Drive away with his plates, and send them back (assuming I would need to get insurance and tax with his personal plates and then change when new V5 arrives.
Is there any holes in doing it the way he has suggested?
Looking at the V317 it's a little confusing as the guidance notes state this below (copy and pasted) so should I actually fill in the section 2? or would what the seller suggested be workable?
Section 2 – Details of the vehicle that
the vehicle registration number is being
transferred or retained from
[b]Only the registered keeper or the person about to
become the registered keeper of this vehicle can apply.[/b]
Give all the details section 2 asks for.
• If you are enclosing a New keeper’s details (V5C/2)
with an ‘Application for a Vehicle registration certificate’
(V62) you must ensure that it has not been previously
stamped by the DVLA. If your V5C/2 has been
previously stamped or you do not have one, you
will need to fill in a V62 and wait for your registration
certificate before you apply for a transfer or retention.
You cannot continue with your application.
• The registered keeper of this vehicle must sign and
date the declaration.
Also, for anybody interested here is a link to the V317 form
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
wg1234 said:
I'm a buyer going to look at a car tomorrow with a private plate that the seller wants to retain if I buy the car. I have no problem with this. We are over 200 miles apart and I've already purchased a train ticket to go and view the car.
1. You buy the car with the existing plates on it and register the car into your name in the usual way with those plates.2. Afterwards, you put the number "on retention" with the seller named as "nominee". DVLA will eventually send you a new V5 for the car with its new registration number and also send you the Retention certificate.
3. You send the Retention certificate to the seller, signed to show that you agree to the number plate being put on his car.
To achieve this all you need to do is make sure,
- The receipt you both sign when the car is sold to you clearly sets out who is to have the plate and who is going to pay the costs of Retention. Remember your own insurance will have to be told when the plates change and may charge you for the alteration. Remember you will have the cost of buying new plates.
- Yes, the seller ultimately has to trust you on this arrangement.
- It's either this way or else you'll have to wait a few weeks before buying while he gets the number off the car....
Sorry guys, any feedback? So if I follow fat25's advice
The seller can send both the V317 form and the V5 along with a covering letter to the address he noted in his template?
DVLA Personalised Registrations,
Swansea
SA99 1DS
I should take the New keeper part of the V5 and use his personal plate for my insurance and to get tax.
From what I understand I think I should fill in section 2 of the V317 and the seller should fill in the Grantee section and a check/postal order for £80 should be included and all items should be sent in the same envelope and possibly stapled together?
Will they change ownership as its going to DVLA Personalised Registrations?
I would like to drive the car back tomorrow if I purchase it. so any feedback appreciated.
The seller can send both the V317 form and the V5 along with a covering letter to the address he noted in his template?
DVLA Personalised Registrations,
Swansea
SA99 1DS
I should take the New keeper part of the V5 and use his personal plate for my insurance and to get tax.
From what I understand I think I should fill in section 2 of the V317 and the seller should fill in the Grantee section and a check/postal order for £80 should be included and all items should be sent in the same envelope and possibly stapled together?
Will they change ownership as its going to DVLA Personalised Registrations?
I would like to drive the car back tomorrow if I purchase it. so any feedback appreciated.
Fats25 is correct.
I've sold two previous cars with a private reg on and retained them. Form V317 states that it can be completed by the registered keeper of the vehicle which the plate is coming off or someone "about to become" the registered keeper. The buyer fills in this part and then nominates you as the grantee. It costs £80 to lodge with the DVLA.
To be safe, keep hold of Form V317 yourself and send it off to the DVLA with the V5C. I didn't even bother sending a cover letter and the DVLA still managed to process it correctly. I got a retention certificate for the private reg less than a fortnight later.
I've sold two previous cars with a private reg on and retained them. Form V317 states that it can be completed by the registered keeper of the vehicle which the plate is coming off or someone "about to become" the registered keeper. The buyer fills in this part and then nominates you as the grantee. It costs £80 to lodge with the DVLA.
To be safe, keep hold of Form V317 yourself and send it off to the DVLA with the V5C. I didn't even bother sending a cover letter and the DVLA still managed to process it correctly. I got a retention certificate for the private reg less than a fortnight later.
Why bother with forms and all that old fashioned stuff?
I had the buyer at my house, handing over cash, I went on-line and took the 'plate off with immediate effect. Put the original 'plates on and he drove away after taxing it on-line. Insurance was already sorted as I knew the number going back on.
I don't think you need to fill forms and post stuff off nowadays? (Except maybe the V5.)
I had the buyer at my house, handing over cash, I went on-line and took the 'plate off with immediate effect. Put the original 'plates on and he drove away after taxing it on-line. Insurance was already sorted as I knew the number going back on.
I don't think you need to fill forms and post stuff off nowadays? (Except maybe the V5.)
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