Who is bogging off after the YES vote?
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ViperPict said:
There is benefit to the economy.
But also great risk, and the government should be taking an interest in it, as if England closes it's gates to our waste, which they probably will, and Scotland doesn't have the required waste streams in place (as per IAEA/RSA law) for this material, the North Sea oil production would grind to a halt until the appropriate facilities were granted planning approval and constructed and fit for use. Hollowpockets said:
ViperPict said:
There is benefit to the economy.
But also great risk, and the government should be taking an interest in it, as if England closes it's gates to our waste, which they probably will, and Scotland doesn't have the required waste streams in place (as per IAEA/RSA law) for this material, the North Sea oil production would grind to a halt until the appropriate facilities were granted planning approval and constructed and fit for use. Hollowpockets said:
as if England closes it's gates to our waste, which they probably will,
I'm assuming the oil companies currently pay to send the waste to these sites?Why would that change in the event of independence? Do these sites no longer wish the income just to spite us?
They are not doing it out of the generosity of their heart, much like anything the rUK does for Scotland, they are getting a kick back from it that suits them well. That's business.
It would be cutting off their noses to spite their face. I'm not sure why that's seen as a given for companies who have bills to pay that they would then cut up their revenue streams, just to make a point.
OlberJ said:
It would be cutting off their noses to spite their face.
Exactly.Which is why there will be no discontinuity in our EU membership, and why there would¹ have been no problem with a currency union.
¹Pretty much everyone was agreed that a currency union made a great deal of sense, not least to prevent destabilisation of GBP, but serial fud "Flipper" Darling seems to have succeeded in making the idea toxic to English voters. Personally I've always favoured having our own currency as I'm not convinced that the GBP is all that solid.
I can't see independence happening, so I don't think I'll be buggering off.
I'm pretty certain the majority of Scots will weigh up the costs of leaving, and see that we do already have control over the vast majority of our affairs already, and decide that leaving the UK to be perpetually controlled by Westminster via currency union is daft.
If it turns out I no longer live in a sensible county, I'll have to consider whether I'll be better off somewhere more sensible.
I'm pretty certain the majority of Scots will weigh up the costs of leaving, and see that we do already have control over the vast majority of our affairs already, and decide that leaving the UK to be perpetually controlled by Westminster via currency union is daft.
If it turns out I no longer live in a sensible county, I'll have to consider whether I'll be better off somewhere more sensible.
simoid said:
I can't see independence happening, so I don't think I'll be buggering off.
I'm pretty certain the majority of Scots will weigh up the costs of leaving, and see that we do already have control over the vast majority of our affairs already, and decide that leaving the UK to be perpetually controlled by Westminster via currency union is daft.
If it turns out I no longer live in a sensible county, I'll have to consider whether I'll be better off somewhere more sensible.
Hopefully all other Gers fans will see sense and vote yes... I'm pretty certain the majority of Scots will weigh up the costs of leaving, and see that we do already have control over the vast majority of our affairs already, and decide that leaving the UK to be perpetually controlled by Westminster via currency union is daft.
If it turns out I no longer live in a sensible county, I'll have to consider whether I'll be better off somewhere more sensible.
rb5er said:
I would prefer we sever Scotland from England completely, maybe build a big wall and stop the whingers coming in and complaining about everything.
Might stem the smack tide too.
You read about frequent drug 'busts' on the M74, the main arterial route between Scotland and England, and I cant ever recall anything being reported other than the drugs coming UP from England, usually some scouser or manc arrested for it - cheeky northern scamps Might stem the smack tide too.
rb5er said:
I would prefer we sever Scotland from England completely, maybe build a big wall and stop the whingers coming in and complaining about everything.
Might stem the smack tide too.
Hadrian had the right idea, perhaps Salmond should go further and export those who do nothing but detract from Scotlands economy back south and make jobs for those of Scots descent. How many Scots reside in England, wishing for a return. Why did they leave -the English parent companies closed their Scottish branches as these were too far from company HQ. Might stem the smack tide too.
GoneAnon said:
How on earth so many other countries get by is quite beyond me (and probably them too if they applied the same standard as our nae-saying friends).
So many countries are doing just that, getting by.Scotland is so much more than that as part of the UK.
Stick or twist?
Stick for me. I think we're on about 18 or 19 at present.
Do you really, truly, honestly believe that the UK is doing much better than "getting by"?
Which countries would you suggest are doing better, and are they independent or are they tied to a neighbour?
Perhaps you think we will slide into third-world conditions without the benificence of England supporting us.
What if rUK slide? Should we help them out or let them go?
Which countries would you suggest are doing better, and are they independent or are they tied to a neighbour?
Perhaps you think we will slide into third-world conditions without the benificence of England supporting us.
What if rUK slide? Should we help them out or let them go?
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I hope that was tongue in cheek. If not, it's the most stupid thing anyone has said on this thread.rb5er said:
I would prefer we sever Scotland from England completely, maybe build a big wall and stop the whingers coming in and complaining about everything.
Might stem the smack tide too.
Hadrian had the right idea, perhaps Salmond should go further and export those who do nothing but detract from Scotlands economy back south and make jobs for those of Scots descent. How many Scots reside in England, wishing for a return. Why did they leave -the English parent companies closed their Scottish branches as these were too far from company HQ. Might stem the smack tide too.
GoneAnon said:
Do you really, truly, honestly believe that the UK is doing much better than "getting by"?
Which countries would you suggest are doing better, and are they independent or are they tied to a neighbour?
Perhaps you think we will slide into third-world conditions without the benificence of England supporting us.
What if rUK slide? Should we help them out or let them go?
We're the fastest growing of all the G7 at present I believe. Falling unemployment (lots of short term/part time but the nature of work is changing anyway).Which countries would you suggest are doing better, and are they independent or are they tied to a neighbour?
Perhaps you think we will slide into third-world conditions without the benificence of England supporting us.
What if rUK slide? Should we help them out or let them go?
I look about all the investment in Scotland and I can't help but think we've got it good:
Free education all the way to graduation with honours degrees, at some of the best universities in the world,
New Forth crossing,
Borders railway
New Edinburgh to Glasgow line
M74 (most expensive motorway in the world when completed)
Trams (lol)
Free personal care for the elderly
Free lots of s
tLots of help for low earning homebuyers, with government deposit schemes
Mortgage rates at their lowest levels for a while (remember the 15% after the recession of a few decades ago?)
Scotland is one of the world leaders in renewables with UK investment and Scottish management
Tax is lower and lower for the lowest earners
There's plenty of opportunity to make money in the growing economy, and now our top 1% of earners pay almost 30% of income taxes which is close to miraculous if you ask me.
And it's a nice sunny day today.
I'll stick, thank you very much.
simoid said:
Scotland is one of the world leaders in renewables with UK investment and Scottish management
This would a very bad thing, leading in a field where there's no profit, only extra tax to make up the difference. It's worse than paying miners to dig coal at a loss, at least that was a social good. In any case Scotland's leading nothing, the Danes and Germans are so far ahead they're out of sight; the only significant Scottish contribution to wind energy is making the big towers the whirligigs sit on.For all Salmond's retoric, the Scottish people have largely discovered their inner NIMBY when faced with a nearby windfarm proposal, and fought them tooth and nail. Even community-owned proposals where the 'profit' was to be spent locally have met vociferous opposition.
If we go independent, do we have to log on to www.Pistonheids.jo.ck?
Hollowpockets said:
Scotland is a great place already and I think there are too many opportunists that hope life will be easier without having to work any harder, being independent won't solve problems, it will create problems. Only the people finding fixes for these problems will do well, the rest will be worse off.
This pretty much sums up my feelings.I'd love for Scotland to be independant, but in reality, I don't think it will work and the rub of it is (IMO) that independance would create more far problems that it would solve.
I'd also really hate to see Salmond and his mob get even more power than they already do.
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