Who is bogging off after the YES vote?

Who is bogging off after the YES vote?

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istoo

2,365 posts

201 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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ViperPict said:
buachaille193 said:
I'm out (for the night) as I'm enjoying a bottle of German beer. Alcohol and politics don't mix...
If only the House of Commons worked on the same rule!
it works for the house of lords...

simoid

19,772 posts

157 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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MarkR26 said:
Who says "Salmond and his mob" will actually be in power?
Interesting that you chose that little snippet of the previous posts to reply to - it seems many nationalists don't like talking about the problems caused by leaving the UK.

They're the Scottish government til the first elections, therefore they'll have far more power after a yes vote. They have the power to shape Scotland's entire future in the negotiations with the "rUK".

coldsnap

867 posts

158 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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TheJimi said:
This pretty much sums up my feelings.

I'd love for Scotland to be independant, but in reality, I don't think it will work and the rub of it is (IMO) that independance would create more far problems that it would solve.

I'd also really hate to see Salmond and his mob get even more power than they already do.
What new problems would be created?

simoid

19,772 posts

157 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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coldsnap said:
What new problems would be created?
Higher debt repayment costs due to a new government with no/new central bank,
Twice as many VAT, PAYE, corporation tax bills and administration for UK wide companies
Twice as many sets of accounts for said companies
If we're in a currency union, best case scenario, we need to severely reign in spending/increase tax take to reduce deficit, as Westminster still sets our budgets
Barriers to free movement of labour between Scotland and rest of UK
Uncertainty over how much will be taxed in the initial years

I could go on for a while.

coldsnap

867 posts

158 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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simoid said:
coldsnap said:
What new problems would be created?
Higher debt repayment costs due to a new government with no/new central bank,
Twice as many VAT, PAYE, corporation tax bills and administration for UK wide companies
Twice as many sets of accounts for said companies
If we're in a currency union, best case scenario, we need to severely reign in spending/increase tax take to reduce deficit, as Westminster still sets our budgets
Barriers to free movement of labour between Scotland and rest of UK
Uncertainty over how much will be taxed in the initial years

I could go on for a while.
Hmmm and you reckon that, that is too high a price (if you're correct) not to self govern!

jamieduff1981

8,022 posts

139 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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coldsnap said:
simoid said:
coldsnap said:
What new problems would be created?
Higher debt repayment costs due to a new government with no/new central bank,
Twice as many VAT, PAYE, corporation tax bills and administration for UK wide companies
Twice as many sets of accounts for said companies
If we're in a currency union, best case scenario, we need to severely reign in spending/increase tax take to reduce deficit, as Westminster still sets our budgets
Barriers to free movement of labour between Scotland and rest of UK
Uncertainty over how much will be taxed in the initial years

I could go on for a while.
Hmmm and you reckon that, that is too high a price (if you're correct) not to self govern!
I thought I did alright for myself but you must be absolutely rolling in dosh if you'd happily pay higher taxes just to be able to say you're not governed by England.

coldsnap

867 posts

158 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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jamieduff1981 said:
I thought I did alright for myself but you must be absolutely rolling in dosh if you'd happily pay higher taxes just to be able to say you're not governed by England.
Some people would give up more, but anyway who says this will be the case?

I posted a link on page 7 of this thread, take 30 mins and watch it and tell me if what he is saying is nonsense and why. I'm here to learn smile

simoid

19,772 posts

157 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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coldsnap said:
Hmmm and you reckon that, that is too high a price (if you're correct) not to self govern!
Well, yes smile

We do self govern at present, we have the freedom of the Scottish parliament. Scotland is a brilliant place to live, work and do business.

If you want a currency union, Westminster will still set our budgets, but for their own benefit. Doesn't sound much better, especially with all the additional costs, constraints and uncertainties.

OlberJ

14,101 posts

232 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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simoid said:
Westminster will still set our budgets, but for their own benefit.
laugh

As opposed to the current situation where they give us more than we have to ask for out of the kindness of their hearts?

simoid

19,772 posts

157 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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OlberJ said:
simoid said:
Westminster will still set our budgets, but for their own benefit.
laugh

As opposed to the current situation where they give us more than we have to ask for out of the kindness of their hearts?
Westminster will set the Scottish borrowing and taxation ranges specifically for the best interests of the rest of the UK.

If you want to have a laugh about the current system, fair enough, crack on. The question is: will it be better if we leave the UK? I think not, and I've explained why.

Scotland has spent £50bn more than it's taxed in the last 5 years, and that is going to be tightened - everything is read has suggested it'll have to be done more quickly if we leave the UK, and that's before we take into account the "significant costs of setting up infrastructure" (John Swinney's words).

Corpulent Tosser

5,459 posts

244 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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I don't think I will be leaving, but then I don't think there will be a yes majority.

In the event of a yes vote I will be looking closely at the negotiations between the Scottish and UK governments and weighing up the implications of those negotiations.

I might then consider leaving.

McWigglebum4th

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32,414 posts

203 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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Corpulent Tosser said:
I don't think I will be leaving, but then I don't think there will be a yes majority.

In the event of a yes vote I will be looking closely at the negotiations between the Scottish and UK governments and weighing up the implications of those negotiations.

I might then consider leaving.
I think you might of missed the boat

As anyone i have talked to with an IQ higher then a fish or the slightest idea of how the world works is talking about bogging off.

I can see property price crashing


For the YES voters

The property prices will crash as they know that Salmond is going to bring fairer to everyone and all the rich will be mad equal

hidetheelephants

23,732 posts

192 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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McWigglebum4th said:
I can see property price crashing
Sounds like a good reason to vote yes; having an economy that hangs off property price to the extent that it does in the UK is a colossal distortion and is restraining growth and mobility of labour.

jamieduff1981

8,022 posts

139 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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hidetheelephants said:
McWigglebum4th said:
I can see property price crashing
Sounds like a good reason to vote yes; having an economy that hangs off property price to the extent that it does in the UK is a colossal distortion and is restraining growth and mobility of labour.
Only someone who doesn't own or have a mortgage would think negative equity for everyone who does was a good idea. There ain't going to be much voluntary mobility if the arse falls out of the property market.

Dryce

310 posts

131 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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hidetheelephants said:
Sounds like a good reason to vote yes; having an economy that hangs off property price to the extent that it does in the UK is a colossal distortion and is restraining growth and mobility of labour.
Having prices crash ? That creates a whole other set of problems. If you want to adjust the economy you do it by applying the brakes gently - not slamming into a wall.

But yes - having an economy that hangs off property doesn't seem to be a good thing. And the SE of the country is another planet to most Scots as far as prices go.

My view on outcomes of a yes is slightly different. I think there will be a three speed Scotland (echoes of a two speed UK !). Edinburgh will be protected by public spending as it reorganises itself with new government jobs - so it will appear to boom. The rest will fall well behind apart from Aberdeen which will cut its own path according to the oil and gas sector.

Kiltie

7,504 posts

245 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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McWigglebum4th said:
As anyone i have talked to with an IQ higher then a fish or the slightest idea of how the world works is talking about bogging off.
Oh dear.

GoneAnon

1,703 posts

151 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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Kiltie said:
McWigglebum4th said:
As anyone i have talked to with an IQ higher then a fish or the slightest idea of how the world works is talking about bogging off.
Oh dear.
Oh dear, oh dear.

Incidentally, has Phillip Hammond been playing too much space invaders? His latest pearl of wisdom is that an independent Scotland will be vulnerable to attack from both cyberspace and (wait for it because this one is legendary) SPACE!

I almost laughed my haggis up at that one!

hidetheelephants

23,732 posts

192 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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It's fair to say the UK is mostly undefended space-wise; I for one will welcome our new lizard/worm/Hooloovoo/Vogon/martian/venusian overlords when they arrive. They can hardly do a worse job than the incumbents.

simoid

19,772 posts

157 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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GoneAnon said:
Oh dear, oh dear.

Incidentally, has Phillip Hammond been playing too much space invaders? His latest pearl of wisdom is that an independent Scotland will be vulnerable to attack from both cyberspace and (wait for it because this one is legendary) SPACE!

I almost laughed my haggis up at that one!
Politicians are eejits. One shouldn't base the forthcoming referendum decision on anything they say.

Having said that, I'm sure he is better informed about defence issues than us and you.

KENZ

1,229 posts

192 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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It's quite amazing how some people can't see passed the end of ones nose. See link below. Not that I'm from Glasgow but that is a complete disgrace.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/health/the-heal...

Those years in the union have done us proud all right..