Who is bogging off after the YES vote?
Discussion
MarkR26 said:
Who says "Salmond and his mob" will actually be in power?
Interesting that you chose that little snippet of the previous posts to reply to - it seems many nationalists don't like talking about the problems caused by leaving the UK.They're the Scottish government til the first elections, therefore they'll have far more power after a yes vote. They have the power to shape Scotland's entire future in the negotiations with the "rUK".
TheJimi said:
This pretty much sums up my feelings.
I'd love for Scotland to be independant, but in reality, I don't think it will work and the rub of it is (IMO) that independance would create more far problems that it would solve.
I'd also really hate to see Salmond and his mob get even more power than they already do.
What new problems would be created?I'd love for Scotland to be independant, but in reality, I don't think it will work and the rub of it is (IMO) that independance would create more far problems that it would solve.
I'd also really hate to see Salmond and his mob get even more power than they already do.
coldsnap said:
What new problems would be created?
Higher debt repayment costs due to a new government with no/new central bank,Twice as many VAT, PAYE, corporation tax bills and administration for UK wide companies
Twice as many sets of accounts for said companies
If we're in a currency union, best case scenario, we need to severely reign in spending/increase tax take to reduce deficit, as Westminster still sets our budgets
Barriers to free movement of labour between Scotland and rest of UK
Uncertainty over how much will be taxed in the initial years
I could go on for a while.
simoid said:
coldsnap said:
What new problems would be created?
Higher debt repayment costs due to a new government with no/new central bank,Twice as many VAT, PAYE, corporation tax bills and administration for UK wide companies
Twice as many sets of accounts for said companies
If we're in a currency union, best case scenario, we need to severely reign in spending/increase tax take to reduce deficit, as Westminster still sets our budgets
Barriers to free movement of labour between Scotland and rest of UK
Uncertainty over how much will be taxed in the initial years
I could go on for a while.
coldsnap said:
simoid said:
coldsnap said:
What new problems would be created?
Higher debt repayment costs due to a new government with no/new central bank,Twice as many VAT, PAYE, corporation tax bills and administration for UK wide companies
Twice as many sets of accounts for said companies
If we're in a currency union, best case scenario, we need to severely reign in spending/increase tax take to reduce deficit, as Westminster still sets our budgets
Barriers to free movement of labour between Scotland and rest of UK
Uncertainty over how much will be taxed in the initial years
I could go on for a while.
jamieduff1981 said:
I thought I did alright for myself but you must be absolutely rolling in dosh if you'd happily pay higher taxes just to be able to say you're not governed by England.
Some people would give up more, but anyway who says this will be the case?I posted a link on page 7 of this thread, take 30 mins and watch it and tell me if what he is saying is nonsense and why. I'm here to learn
coldsnap said:
Hmmm and you reckon that, that is too high a price (if you're correct) not to self govern!
Well, yes We do self govern at present, we have the freedom of the Scottish parliament. Scotland is a brilliant place to live, work and do business.
If you want a currency union, Westminster will still set our budgets, but for their own benefit. Doesn't sound much better, especially with all the additional costs, constraints and uncertainties.
OlberJ said:
simoid said:
Westminster will still set our budgets, but for their own benefit.
As opposed to the current situation where they give us more than we have to ask for out of the kindness of their hearts?
If you want to have a laugh about the current system, fair enough, crack on. The question is: will it be better if we leave the UK? I think not, and I've explained why.
Scotland has spent £50bn more than it's taxed in the last 5 years, and that is going to be tightened - everything is read has suggested it'll have to be done more quickly if we leave the UK, and that's before we take into account the "significant costs of setting up infrastructure" (John Swinney's words).
Corpulent Tosser said:
I don't think I will be leaving, but then I don't think there will be a yes majority.
In the event of a yes vote I will be looking closely at the negotiations between the Scottish and UK governments and weighing up the implications of those negotiations.
I might then consider leaving.
I think you might of missed the boatIn the event of a yes vote I will be looking closely at the negotiations between the Scottish and UK governments and weighing up the implications of those negotiations.
I might then consider leaving.
As anyone i have talked to with an IQ higher then a fish or the slightest idea of how the world works is talking about bogging off.
I can see property price crashing
For the YES voters
The property prices will crash as they know that Salmond is going to bring fairer to everyone and all the rich will be mad equal
hidetheelephants said:
McWigglebum4th said:
I can see property price crashing
Sounds like a good reason to vote yes; having an economy that hangs off property price to the extent that it does in the UK is a colossal distortion and is restraining growth and mobility of labour.hidetheelephants said:
Sounds like a good reason to vote yes; having an economy that hangs off property price to the extent that it does in the UK is a colossal distortion and is restraining growth and mobility of labour.
Having prices crash ? That creates a whole other set of problems. If you want to adjust the economy you do it by applying the brakes gently - not slamming into a wall.But yes - having an economy that hangs off property doesn't seem to be a good thing. And the SE of the country is another planet to most Scots as far as prices go.
My view on outcomes of a yes is slightly different. I think there will be a three speed Scotland (echoes of a two speed UK !). Edinburgh will be protected by public spending as it reorganises itself with new government jobs - so it will appear to boom. The rest will fall well behind apart from Aberdeen which will cut its own path according to the oil and gas sector.
Kiltie said:
McWigglebum4th said:
As anyone i have talked to with an IQ higher then a fish or the slightest idea of how the world works is talking about bogging off.
Oh dear.Incidentally, has Phillip Hammond been playing too much space invaders? His latest pearl of wisdom is that an independent Scotland will be vulnerable to attack from both cyberspace and (wait for it because this one is legendary) SPACE!
I almost laughed my haggis up at that one!
GoneAnon said:
Oh dear, oh dear.
Incidentally, has Phillip Hammond been playing too much space invaders? His latest pearl of wisdom is that an independent Scotland will be vulnerable to attack from both cyberspace and (wait for it because this one is legendary) SPACE!
I almost laughed my haggis up at that one!
Politicians are eejits. One shouldn't base the forthcoming referendum decision on anything they say.Incidentally, has Phillip Hammond been playing too much space invaders? His latest pearl of wisdom is that an independent Scotland will be vulnerable to attack from both cyberspace and (wait for it because this one is legendary) SPACE!
I almost laughed my haggis up at that one!
Having said that, I'm sure he is better informed about defence issues than us and you.
It's quite amazing how some people can't see passed the end of ones nose. See link below. Not that I'm from Glasgow but that is a complete disgrace.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/health/the-heal...
Those years in the union have done us proud all right..
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/health/the-heal...
Those years in the union have done us proud all right..
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