Who is bogging off after the YES vote?

Who is bogging off after the YES vote?

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DT398

1,745 posts

147 months

Thursday 18th September 2014
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exitwound said:
I imagine that most of the posters on here have never worked under a system of income tax at the rate of 45% in the pound or witnessed the industrial and social deveastation wrought by the thatcher years first hand and that's maybe colouring their thoughts to reasons on supporting a No vote. Some of us see things a little differently.

Cheers..
None of this is exclusive to Scotland. How is an independent Scotland going to reverse the "industrial devastation" as you put it? Are we expecting the top rate of tax in an independent Scotland to be less than 45p and if so how? Not being funny, just asking.

TheJimi

24,860 posts

242 months

Thursday 18th September 2014
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exitwound said:
I imagine that most of the posters on here have never worked under a system of income tax at the rate of 45% in the pound or witnessed the industrial and social deveastation wrought by the thatcher years first hand and that's maybe colouring their thoughts to reasons on supporting a No vote. Some of us see things a little differently.
and therelin lies something of the idiocy affecting many yes voters.

Thatcher is gone. Those days and circumstances are gone.

Yet you're still clinging to the past, and letting it influence your vote on a situation that has nothing to do with past events.




simoid

19,772 posts

157 months

Thursday 18th September 2014
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DT398 said:
None of this is exclusive to Scotland. How is an independent Scotland going to reverse the "industrial devastation" as you put it? Are we expecting the top rate of tax in an independent Scotland to be less than 45p and if so how? Not being funny, just asking.
Someone on my Facebook was voting yes for a "rapid industrialisation of Scotland". What are we again, 90% service sector or something?

Wacky.

Hollowpockets

5,908 posts

215 months

Thursday 18th September 2014
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exitwound said:
rofl

I imagine that most of the posters on here have never worked under a system of income tax at the rate of 45% in the pound
Incorrect

hotchy

4,454 posts

125 months

Thursday 18th September 2014
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I voted no, roll on 4am.

Gaspode

4,167 posts

195 months

Thursday 18th September 2014
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exitwound said:
rofl

I imagine that most of the posters on here have never worked under a system of income tax at the rate of 45% in the pound
When I got my first job in 1977 basic rate of income tax was 33%, top rate was 83%. The joys of socialist government...

Patch1875

4,893 posts

131 months

Thursday 18th September 2014
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Just back from voting felt a bit of an anti-climax after all the goings on.

Leithen

10,799 posts

266 months

Thursday 18th September 2014
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Patch1875 said:
Just back from voting felt a bit of an anti-climax after all the goings on.
Similar to Jasper Carrot?

johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

163 months

Thursday 18th September 2014
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Jader1973 said:
And what exactly is Salmond promising, other than it will be "better"?

He has no policies, other than to be the man that won independence.
you didn't seem to get a reply to your question...wonder why?.

Dryce

310 posts

131 months

Thursday 18th September 2014
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Gaspode said:
When I got my first job in 1977 basic rate of income tax was 33%, top rate was 83%. The joys of socialist government...
The headline basic rate might be lower these days, but NI is higher, more people pay the higher rate, and VAT is higher.

There doesn't seem to be any inclination by any government of any flavour to do the honest thing and integrate NI and income tax.




Humper

946 posts

161 months

Thursday 18th September 2014
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johnxjsc1985 said:
Jader1973 said:
And what exactly is Salmond promising, other than it will be "better"?

He has no policies, other than to be the man that won independence.
you didn't seem to get a reply to your question...wonder why?.
Nor the answer to mine ? (the bit you didn't quote..)

Don't care what Salmoonface is promising, it'll turn out to be lies as will what the three stooges are(somewhat dodgily according to the terms of the referendum) promising.

I don't agree with most of the SNP beliefs, a yes vote tomorrow and first thing i want is rid of them.

I believe we can be a country, not a region, I'll do what it takes if it will get that result.

And the policies that are being made up on the spot now(Devomax for instance) are you all really thick enough to believe that ste will pass through an English parliament? Cos i have a large African fortune waiting for me, i just need some of your cash.....

Put yourself in an English MP's place, all the stooges promises are going to cost money that could be spent on your constituency, are you going to vote for it? Are you fk, and quite rightly so, you'd oppose all of it. As would lots of other MP's.

Voting Yes is no guarantee of success, voting no will guarantee we will lose out from Westminster, and why not, we voted to be losers.

Scotland is a great country, full of clever, enterprising people, many, many successful businesses, don't st out of a chance of a lifetime. Nothing worthwhile ever came free. Yes, it'll not be a walk in the park, but remember, he who risks nothing is nothing.

johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

163 months

Thursday 18th September 2014
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Humper said:
Nor the answer to mine ? (the bit you didn't quote..)

Don't care what Salmoonface is promising, it'll turn out to be lies as will what the three stooges are(somewhat dodgily according to the terms of the referendum) promising.

I don't agree with most of the SNP beliefs, a yes vote tomorrow and first thing i want is rid of them.

I believe we can be a country, not a region, I'll do what it takes if it will get that result.

And the policies that are being made up on the spot now(Devomax for instance) are you all really thick enough to believe that ste will pass through an English parliament? Cos i have a large African fortune waiting for me, i just need some of your cash.....

Put yourself in an English MP's place, all the stooges promises are going to cost money that could be spent on your constituency, are you going to vote for it? Are you fk, and quite rightly so, you'd oppose all of it. As would lots of other MP's.

Voting Yes is no guarantee of success, voting no will guarantee we will lose out from Westminster, and why not, we voted to be losers.

Scotland is a great country, full of clever, enterprising people, many, many successful businesses, don't st out of a chance of a lifetime. Nothing worthwhile ever came free. Yes, it'll not be a walk in the park, but remember, he who risks nothing is nothing.
Enlighten us on what you are missing out on ?.I understand why you would not want to be ruled by the muppets in Westminster I really do but you all seem to be ignoring that you are sticking two fingers up to the rest of us and it will not be forgotten its Jim Bean for me from now on.biggrin

MintyChris

848 posts

191 months

Thursday 18th September 2014
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Jader1973 said:
And what exactly is Salmond promising, other than it will be "better"?

He has no policies, other than to be the man that won independence.
He is promising that a Nationalist government will have more power...that seems to be about it. Not exactly on my to do list.

GoneAnon

1,703 posts

151 months

Thursday 18th September 2014
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Gaspode said:
GoneAnon said:
Oh Gaspode, I think you are my new favourite. Are you actually a YES campaigner in disguise, opening the door for this one?

I can't be bothered retyping the whole thing as I've just got home from an extraordinary event in Perth where Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon got hero's welcomes and Nick Robinson from the BBC received some pantomime booing (which I didn't participate in and don't approve of even if he might deserve it).

I don't suppose you will bother to read the information in the link so I guess that would make the final question applicable to you too.

http://wingsoverscotland.com/brian-wilson-is-a-lia...

Oh well, less than 24 hours till it's all over bar the counting (and the shouting)
I read the whole of the link. What's it got to do with the fact that since 1840 the Royal Mail has provided postage anywhere in the UK for a standardised price, using the reduced costs in cheap areas to subsidise the higher costs in other areas? Are you saying this hasn't happened?
I can post a letter to myself from Dublin cheaper than I can post the same letter from Carlisle. And if I post the letter back TO Dublin from Scotland or England it's more expensive again.

So, being part of the Union is no guarantee of lower postage costs.

Also, with Royal Mail now privatised how long will universal service continue?

And ith "competition" in the market-place where Royal Mail still have to do the difficult (and expensive) "final mile" bit, how long till we get a European Poste Restante type system?

Edited by GoneAnon on Thursday 18th September 20:16

Gaspode

4,167 posts

195 months

Thursday 18th September 2014
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GoneAnon said:
I can post a letter to myself from Dublin cheaper than I can post the same letter from Carlisle. And if I post the letter back TO Dublin from Scotland or England it's more expensive again.

So, being part of the Union is no guarantee of lower postage costs.

Also, with Royal Mail now privatised how long will universal service continue?

And ith "competition" in the market-place where Royal Mail still have to do the difficult (and expensive) "final mile" bit, how long till we get a European Poste Restante type system?

Edited by GoneAnon on Thursday 18th September 20:16
This is just a diversion. I pointed out that the UK as a whole had subsidised Scotland, you accused me of spouting twaddle. I showed you one example (I have more) of how this has been true - in this case for the last 170-odd years.

Your position seems to be "That doesn't count, because things might change in the future".



Edited by Gaspode on Thursday 18th September 20:45

GoneAnon

1,703 posts

151 months

Thursday 18th September 2014
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Not at all. I could equally state that,rather than enjoying a subsidised Royal Mail, being in the UK has cost Scotland money in postal charges - Ireland proves that a small country can supply domestic and international postal services to a similar standard for a lower cost than we have now.

Anyway, almost all the votes are cast now and we will all know the outcome in 11 hours.

mph1977

12,467 posts

167 months

Friday 19th September 2014
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Dryce said:
Gaspode said:
When I got my first job in 1977 basic rate of income tax was 33%, top rate was 83%. The joys of socialist government...
The headline basic rate might be lower these days, but NI is higher, more people pay the higher rate, and VAT is higher.

There doesn't seem to be any inclination by any government of any flavour to do the honest thing and integrate NI and income tax.
can those with long memories remind us what the NI rate was in 1977 ( myself only being in nappies for the last three months of 77 can;t remember)

and what was the personal alowance in 77 ?

whoami

13,151 posts

239 months

Friday 19th September 2014
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You can close the thread now...

Dryce

310 posts

131 months

Friday 19th September 2014
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mph1977 said:
can those with long memories remind us what the NI rate was in 1977 ( myself only being in nappies for the last three months of 77 can;t remember)
5.75%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Insurance#Hi...

mph1977 said:
and what was the personal alowance in 77 ?
Single: £945 / Married: £1455

www.ifs.org.uk/uploads/publications/ff/income.xls

Edited by Dryce on Friday 19th September 02:29

DT398

1,745 posts

147 months

Friday 19th September 2014
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Seems like nobody will be bogging off after a YES vote, then.