Animal shelters, so many SBT
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2thumbs said:
KFC, if you took time to go out and get involved with these dogs and their owners, form an educated opinion, not one based around daily mail clippings, you may change your mind.
You only get half a story with newspapers, often dramatised. All dogs can injure a child but staffs make the news.
But you're failing to grasp the real problem here - its not me, its other people.You only get half a story with newspapers, often dramatised. All dogs can injure a child but staffs make the news.
What use is it for me to have a brilliantly trained, loving SBT if I turn up on the local beach with it, have people screaming and running for cover, and I get thrown off the beach as technically no dogs are allowed?
Its tolerated as long as people are behaving and no complaints etc.... I wouldn't want to risk ruining what is a good thing I have going here.
Its true what others have said about the media picking up on certain dogs, I remember in the 90's in was Rottweilers (another beautiful breed) now its SBT's.
I have known a number of SBT's and they have all been lovely dogs, but they can be dangerous, very very dangerous
My mates dog was an older dog and shall we say slightly rotund, he brought it round to my flat where it promptly charged at me, leapt visciously into my lap and promptly fell asleep, this dog was so heavy I was effectively pinned into my armchair until he decided to wake up some 40 minutes later....stay safe out there kids
I have known a number of SBT's and they have all been lovely dogs, but they can be dangerous, very very dangerous
My mates dog was an older dog and shall we say slightly rotund, he brought it round to my flat where it promptly charged at me, leapt visciously into my lap and promptly fell asleep, this dog was so heavy I was effectively pinned into my armchair until he decided to wake up some 40 minutes later....stay safe out there kids
Tango13 said:
anonymous said:
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Lucky escape, if the bugger had started to snore you would've been in real trouble!
Your lucky. Our SBT jumps at your head (normally just misses) then curls up on the back of the sofa with her head over your shoulder & hanging down your chest. She's got a damn heavy head & snores right by your ear so you can't hear anything else.
When she meets my parents dogs, she gets bullied by a Yorkie/Chauachuia cross. How dangerous is that?
I've only ever met one 'bad' SBT & he was abused by the owners then GF who'd punch n kick the hell out of him until the owner found out. He's still great with people he knows, but is very wary of strangers unsurprisingly.
KFC said:
2thumbs said:
KFC, if you took time to go out and get involved with these dogs and their owners, form an educated opinion, not one based around daily mail clippings, you may change your mind.
You only get half a story with newspapers, often dramatised. All dogs can injure a child but staffs make the news.
But you're failing to grasp the real problem here - its not me, its other people.You only get half a story with newspapers, often dramatised. All dogs can injure a child but staffs make the news.
What use is it for me to have a brilliantly trained, loving SBT if I turn up on the local beach with it, have people screaming and running for cover, and I get thrown off the beach as technically no dogs are allowed?
Its tolerated as long as people are behaving and no complaints etc.... I wouldn't want to risk ruining what is a good thing I have going here.
But these dogs deserve a break and the only way they will get one is by people educating the fools believing all staffs are bad because they are singled out in the newspapers. Go hug a staffy
otolith said:
It seldom is - but the same knobheads ruined the reputations of Rottweilers and Dobermans and GSDs, and it takes a long time to recover. As a friend and fellow GSD owner says, if there is any trouble, even if your dog is not the aggressor, it will get the blame.
Ain't this the truth!!I was walking the dog the other day and two young familes with children asked if the kids could pet the dog as he seemed very calm and friendly. I gave them treats to give to him and they remarked what a beautiful, calm and good natured dog he was and how it was cute that he insisted on licking their faces after they fed him. 'What breed is he' they asked. 'He's a Dobermann' I said to which they picked one child up and pulled the others behind their legs to protect them.
It was fine a few seconds ago when they were feeding him and he was giving them little kisses, but now you know what breed it is there seems to be a problem. I understand some dogs come with an 'image' but to not recognise the breed and only react by it's name is simply ridiculous.
People ask why I'd choose an agressive dog so always go on the defensive and say he and the breed (well, correctly UK bred ones)aren't agressive. People then move on to what they've read in the papers about Dobermanns...to which I ask which article was that as I don't recall ever reading about Dobermanns attacking people (I dare say it may have happened) so they then realise they've said something which isn't factually correct, they've never read anything specific to Dobermanns at all so say about their appearances in films. Really!!! So we've established you haven't read about them in the papers and now you're talking about dogs in films.
Dobermanns were bred for a reason and under modern breeding don't really resemble their ancestors. I don't recall many of my friends throwing Christians to the lions but guess I'd better be careful around them just in case eh!
Anyhow, I'm currently doing my Helper course so am the lucky chap that gets to wear a bite sleeve and get 'attacked' by the dogs. Again, people ask why I'd train my dog to bite people. I'm not doing anything of the sort, I use him for sport where he gets to play with a toy (that happens to be attached to me) and learns self control and discipline. To take part in the sport (Schutzund) your dog needs to have passed your BH exams, something which most dog owners I meet would never be capable of doing. My 'so called dangerous breed' may end up representing this country in a sport (Obedience/Agility, Protection and tracking) which is predominantly ruled by 'dangerous dogs' such as GSD's, Dobermanns etc.
People's ignorance when it comes to dogs is simply staggering!
My dog is regulalrly set about by Black Labradors, NEVER brown, just black ones. My dog runs off as he's not interested. On the couple of occasions that my dog has run off but still been biten and entered in to a conflict, my dog is of course always the aggressor and to blame despite being the one who was trying to get away and had been ignoring the other dog etc etc etc. I of course don't believe all black labs want to attack my dog. Most problem out there are the owners not the dog regardless of breed.
To end my rant, I've met loads of SBT's and can honestly say I don't think I've met one that hasn't been daft as a brush, full of energy and affectionate.
KFC said:
2thumbs said:
KFC, if you took time to go out and get involved with these dogs and their owners, form an educated opinion, not one based around daily mail clippings, you may change your mind.
You only get half a story with newspapers, often dramatised. All dogs can injure a child but staffs make the news.
But you're failing to grasp the real problem here - its not me, its other people.You only get half a story with newspapers, often dramatised. All dogs can injure a child but staffs make the news.
What use is it for me to have a brilliantly trained, loving SBT if I turn up on the local beach with it, have people screaming and running for cover, and I get thrown off the beach as technically no dogs are allowed?
Its tolerated as long as people are behaving and no complaints etc.... I wouldn't want to risk ruining what is a good thing I have going here.
I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure at the begining of this thread you said you can hardly blame people for avoiding a Staffy in the park, being excluded from stuff, mentioned never going near big dogs with 'bad reps', and stereotyped the coucil house owning people who give Staffies a bad reputation.
The high point was when you said it was idiotic to blame people like you. When you say "it's not me, it's other people", you do know you're definitely the 'other people' you talk about?
Despite the predominantly postive views of Staffies by their owners on here, your posts have made me very wary about them. I know you're not speaking from your own experiences and just making reference to a minority of incidents the media have decided to pick up on, but I shall not make up my own opinion or listen to the positive experiences on here and will assume they are all bad.
If anybody I know mentions Staffies, I shall be sure to tell them 'my' views which I've read on the internet or in the media. You need to understand that the problem here isn't me. I'm just relaying selective accounts back to people which allow them to make their own minds up about these dogs which people really need to steer clear of.
Edited by Autopilot on Thursday 17th April 15:10
Autopilot said:
Brilliant, absolutely brilliant!! Irony at its finest - "It's not me, it's other people".
I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure at the begining of this thread you said you can hardly blame people for avoiding a Staffy in the park, being excluded from stuff, mentioned never going near big dogs with 'bad reps', and stereotyped the coucil house owning people who give Staffies a bad reputation.
The high point was when you said it was idiotic to blame people like you. When you say "it's not me, it's other people", you do know you're definitely the 'other people' you talk about?
Despite the predominantly postive views of Staffies by their owners on here, your posts have made me very wary about them. I know you're not speaking from your own experiences and just making reference to a minority of incidents the media have decided to pick up on, but I shall not make up my own opinion or listen to the positive experiences on here and will assume they are all bad.
If anybody I know mentions Staffies, I shall be sure to tell them 'my' views which I've read on the internet or in the media. You need to understand that the problem here isn't me. I'm just relaying selective accounts back to people which allow them to make their own minds up about these dogs which people really need to steer clear of.
Perhaps I worded it badly. I'm saying the majority of the blame needs to go to the originators of the problems - the ones owning dogs that are savaging people in council estates and so on.I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure at the begining of this thread you said you can hardly blame people for avoiding a Staffy in the park, being excluded from stuff, mentioned never going near big dogs with 'bad reps', and stereotyped the coucil house owning people who give Staffies a bad reputation.
The high point was when you said it was idiotic to blame people like you. When you say "it's not me, it's other people", you do know you're definitely the 'other people' you talk about?
Despite the predominantly postive views of Staffies by their owners on here, your posts have made me very wary about them. I know you're not speaking from your own experiences and just making reference to a minority of incidents the media have decided to pick up on, but I shall not make up my own opinion or listen to the positive experiences on here and will assume they are all bad.
If anybody I know mentions Staffies, I shall be sure to tell them 'my' views which I've read on the internet or in the media. You need to understand that the problem here isn't me. I'm just relaying selective accounts back to people which allow them to make their own minds up about these dogs which people really need to steer clear of.
Apart from that, my own personal circumstances dictate that I couldn't ever have one. I go places dogs aren't allowed, with my dogs. One complaint = removal of access for me and my other dogs too.
Boring thread is boring... going in circles really so I'm out
We haven't had our dog long, but when we've met SBTs on walks they have been good as gold and the SBTs that we did meet were off the lead. We met a Husky the other day. That was pretty scary. He didn't like Herbie and was pretty aggressive. His owners didn't seem to give a f@&k. As other people say, its the bad owners and not always the dogs.
Girlfriend has a rescue staffy cross. It's utterly pathetic, it's scared of small dogs (poor lads been attacked by a jack Russell and a border terrier), sleeps for 22 hours of the day, and after eating, his favourite task is cuddling you and getting his belly rubbed. He doesn't really like other dogs that much but the worst he'll do is grumble at them.
I do love SBT's and EBT's. I have never seen such affectionate, sweet dogs. When we get another dog, it's highly likely to be a rescued SBT. They've got such a big personality and such character. I have never seen one be aggressive towards another person, they normally seem more bothered about when you're going to give them cuddles, or whatever you're eating.
We get the occasional iffy reaction when on walks with him. I don't have a lot of time for brain dead idiots, so I'm glad they avoid me or cross the road. Can't say I've seen people running for cover like KFC claims...
I do love SBT's and EBT's. I have never seen such affectionate, sweet dogs. When we get another dog, it's highly likely to be a rescued SBT. They've got such a big personality and such character. I have never seen one be aggressive towards another person, they normally seem more bothered about when you're going to give them cuddles, or whatever you're eating.
We get the occasional iffy reaction when on walks with him. I don't have a lot of time for brain dead idiots, so I'm glad they avoid me or cross the road. Can't say I've seen people running for cover like KFC claims...
LiamM45 said:
Girlfriend has a rescue staffy cross. It's utterly pathetic, it's scared of small dogs (poor lads been attacked by a jack Russell and a border terrier), sleeps for 22 hours of the day, and after eating, his favourite task is cuddling you and getting his belly rubbed. He doesn't really like other dogs that much but the worst he'll do is grumble at them.
I do love SBT's and EBT's. I have never seen such affectionate, sweet dogs. When we get another dog, it's highly likely to be a rescued SBT. They've got such a big personality and such character. I have never seen one be aggressive towards another person, they normally seem more bothered about when you're going to give them cuddles, or whatever you're eating.
We get the occasional iffy reaction when on walks with him. I don't have a lot of time for brain dead idiots, so I'm glad they avoid me or cross the road. Can't say I've seen people running for cover like KFC claims...
If you want to be really cruel and I mean positively nasty to a Staffy...I do love SBT's and EBT's. I have never seen such affectionate, sweet dogs. When we get another dog, it's highly likely to be a rescued SBT. They've got such a big personality and such character. I have never seen one be aggressive towards another person, they normally seem more bothered about when you're going to give them cuddles, or whatever you're eating.
We get the occasional iffy reaction when on walks with him. I don't have a lot of time for brain dead idiots, so I'm glad they avoid me or cross the road. Can't say I've seen people running for cover like KFC claims...
Just ignore it for 5mins!
They're the biggest attention w
es on the planet, my mums' EBT/SBT cross has to muscles in on any conversation by demanding an ear scritch/nose rub.KFC said:
What use is it for me to have a brilliantly trained, loving SBT if I turn up on the local beach with it, have people screaming and running for cover, and I get thrown off the beach as technically no dogs are allowed?
When we got our Staffy we were expecting grief from people when out and about but in the three years we've had her I can't recall more than a handful of times where I've suspected that her breed's reputation had preceded her.Perhaps it's because she's not a big dog and we don't live in a city, but even so the vast majority of people have been positive, to the point where we don't even think about it any more.
As for the breed, I can only speak for myself but my Staffy Mia has been put through an extraordinary test in the past six months. The short version is that a fatal car accident suddenly made an orphan of my three year old nephew so he now lives with us.
We have no other kids so obviously it made a massive difference to our lives overnight. For the dog, there's suddenly another person in the house. A rival for our affections. One that cries and has epic tantrums, who runs around the house shouting and waving his arms about and throws half what he picks up. You know, a toddler.
Mia has been flawless.
In the first few days she just licked him. A lot.
She's never really heard raised voices and for the first tantrums she assumed she'd done something wrong and would start shaking (she's now learnt to go and stand in the garden until it's over
).We expected to find his toys chewed up and destroyed since we had no storage for them at first but she hasn't touched a single one.
We've had to teach the boy how to behave around dogs of course and it has been truly amazing how many provocations a three year old boy can devise. Whether it's trying to pin her down for a cuddle or running over to sing a song at full volume in her face, she's done nothing more than walk away.
I turned around in the car one day to see him casually bouncing his foot off her head. She just looked at me, sighed and moved out of range.
It is amazing to watch them playing and the "nanny dog" thing really seems to ring true. She instantly switches to gentle mode around the boy. He was blowing bubbles for her in the garden yesterday and she goes mental chasing them about, but you can see quite clearly that she doesn't jump when she's near him for fear of knocking him over.
In fact, as a couple of posters have said it's only when cuddles are being dished out that she decides to use her muscle because there's no way she's missing out on those.
I thought my son would be like that with other dogs, he is 4 now and has had 2 dogs in his life our amazing Jimmy whippet and now our lovely pup Bryn. He loves/ loved them both hugs/ kisses, playing (rarely roughly etc) yet he has always been extremely wary of any other dogs, avoids them infact, odd considering he's never had a negative experience with a dog!
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