Operation Trojan Horse

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Four Litre

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191 months

Monday 14th April 2014
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FFS, knew it would be going on to some degree, but now on 25 schools!!

Wouldnt be so bad, but there not even Greek!!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews...

TKF

6,232 posts

234 months

Monday 14th April 2014
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Say what you like about these Islamic suicide bomber factories, at least they teach you to spell.

Four Litre

Original Poster:

2,013 posts

191 months

Monday 14th April 2014
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Bell end

Murph7355

37,645 posts

255 months

Monday 14th April 2014
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Four Litre said:
Bell end
Bellend/bell-end.

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RedTrident

8,290 posts

234 months

Monday 14th April 2014
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So the only evidence is an anonymous letter. Wow! And now the counter terrorism lot are involved. Sign of the times I suppose, we'll be looking under our beds next.

Muslim children go to a school, muslim parents will no doubt come forward to stand on governing bodies. If the DfE is genuinely worried then they need to introduce better screening that prevents people from standing. Going of the Tower Hamlets mayor elections this probably needs to be widened to beyond school Governors.


10 Pence Short

32,880 posts

216 months

Monday 14th April 2014
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RedTrident said:
So the only evidence is an anonymous letter. Wow! And now the counter terrorism lot are involved. Sign of the times I suppose, we'll be looking under our beds next.

Muslim children go to a school, muslim parents will no doubt come forward to stand on governing bodies. If the DfE is genuinely worried then they need to introduce better screening that prevents people from standing. Going of the Tower Hamlets mayor elections this probably needs to be widened to beyond school Governors.
Birmingham's local authority has gone as far as to suspend all new school governor appointments following a barrage of allegations since this affair came to light.

I don't think this is as simple an issue as there being a problem with Muslim governors.

FredClogs

14,041 posts

160 months

Monday 14th April 2014
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Religion has played a massive part in our education system since forever, it's a bit hypocritical to discriminate between religious brands.

It's also a bit racist to suggest any muslim parents who wish to get involved in their local school are doing it to create 8 year old suicide bombers.

10 Pence Short

32,880 posts

216 months

Monday 14th April 2014
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FredClogs said:
Religion has played a massive part in our education system since forever, it's a bit hypocritical to discriminate between religious brands.

It's also a bit racist to suggest any muslim parents who wish to get involved in their local school are doing it to create 8 year old suicide bombers.
Who is suggesting what you allege?

FredClogs

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160 months

Monday 14th April 2014
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10 Pence Short said:
FredClogs said:
Religion has played a massive part in our education system since forever, it's a bit hypocritical to discriminate between religious brands.

It's also a bit racist to suggest any muslim parents who wish to get involved in their local school are doing it to create 8 year old suicide bombers.
Who is suggesting what you allege?
first post on thread said said:
Say what you like about these Islamic suicide bomber factories, at least they teach you to spell.
Probably a throw away remark but it does sort of capture the casual Daily Mail irrational and racist stereotype of anyone who isn't, well whatever "normal" is.



grumbledoak

31,499 posts

232 months

Monday 14th April 2014
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Why is anyone surprised? It's not as if Mohammed's instructions are a well kept secret known only to a few. Not every Muslim will devote their lives to the struggle, but some will and some are. How else do you think Islam has spread?

eldar

21,614 posts

195 months

Monday 14th April 2014
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RedTrident said:
So the only evidence is an anonymous letter. Wow! And now the counter terrorism lot are involved. Sign of the times I suppose, we'll be looking under our beds next.

Muslim children go to a school, muslim parents will no doubt come forward to stand on governing bodies. If the DfE is genuinely worried then they need to introduce better screening that prevents people from standing. Going of the Tower Hamlets mayor elections this probably needs to be widened to beyond school Governors.
Not the only evidence, that was originally treated as a hoax.. Plenty of complaints from parents (both Muslim and non-Muslim) that dodgy practice were happening. Further investigations have uncovered evidence that may validate the parents complaints.

TTwiggy

11,499 posts

203 months

Monday 14th April 2014
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grumbledoak said:
How else do you think Islam has spread?
Strongly-worded emails?

chippy17

3,740 posts

242 months

Monday 14th April 2014
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if my mission in life was to turn the world into an extreme Muslim state based on sharia law etc and I had no army/global power to speak of this is how I would do it...

zcacogp

11,239 posts

243 months

Monday 14th April 2014
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grumbledoak said:
Why is anyone surprised? It's not as if Mohammed's instructions are a well kept secret known only to a few. Not every Muslim will devote their lives to the struggle, but some will and some are. How else do you think Islam has spread?
Sadly, this is entirely true.


Oli.

RedTrident

8,290 posts

234 months

Monday 14th April 2014
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eldar said:
RedTrident said:
So the only evidence is an anonymous letter. Wow! And now the counter terrorism lot are involved. Sign of the times I suppose, we'll be looking under our beds next.

Muslim children go to a school, muslim parents will no doubt come forward to stand on governing bodies. If the DfE is genuinely worried then they need to introduce better screening that prevents people from standing. Going of the Tower Hamlets mayor elections this probably needs to be widened to beyond school Governors.
Not the only evidence, that was originally treated as a hoax.. Plenty of complaints from parents (both Muslim and non-Muslim) that dodgy practice were happening. Further investigations have uncovered evidence that may validate the parents complaints.
What type of complaints? That people were being elected onto school governing bodies that other parents were not happy about? The existing governing system in most schools allows for parents to join the governing body. Once nominations are received all the other parents get a chance to vote. If anything, as is often the case, if anyone 'dodgy' gets in it is usually a consequence of apathy from the wider group of parents.

The second complaint I can think of is that the governing bodies are influencing the curriculum and appointment of staff. Unless they're doing something illegal then all they are doing here is fulfilling their roles. I'd have expected at least one industrial tribunal from someone who failed to get a job and/or was hounded out because their religion didn't fit.

Have I missed something? Looking forward to see what the actual evidence is and what the investigation reports.

eldar

21,614 posts

195 months

Monday 14th April 2014
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RedTrident said:
What type of complaints? That people were being elected onto school governing bodies that other parents were not happy about? The existing governing system in most schools allows for parents to join the governing body. Once nominations are received all the other parents get a chance to vote. If anything, as is often the case, if anyone 'dodgy' gets in it is usually a consequence of apathy from the wider group of parents.

The second complaint I can think of is that the governing bodies are influencing the curriculum and appointment of staff. Unless they're doing something illegal then all they are doing here is fulfilling their roles. I'd have expected at least one industrial tribunal from someone who failed to get a job and/or was hounded out because their religion didn't fit.

Have I missed something? Looking forward to see what the actual evidence is and what the investigation reports.
Some 200+ complaints from parents. Enough to instigate an investigation. You seem to be remarkably well informed, though.

Chlamydia

1,082 posts

126 months

Monday 14th April 2014
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RedTrident said:
What type of complaints? That people were being elected onto school governing bodies that other parents were not happy about? The existing governing system in most schools allows for parents to join the governing body. Once nominations are received all the other parents get a chance to vote. If anything, as is often the case, if anyone 'dodgy' gets in it is usually a consequence of apathy from the wider group of parents.

The second complaint I can think of is that the governing bodies are influencing the curriculum and appointment of staff. Unless they're doing something illegal then all they are doing here is fulfilling their roles. I'd have expected at least one industrial tribunal from someone who failed to get a job and/or was hounded out because their religion didn't fit.

Have I missed something? Looking forward to see what the actual evidence is and what the investigation reports.
In your haste to imply that this is based on race or religion you've missed the minor detail that some of the people making these claims are themselves Muslims, uncomfortable with what they see as infiltration by extremists.

voyds9

8,488 posts

282 months

Monday 14th April 2014
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RedTrident said:
So the only evidence is an anonymous letter. Wow!
I made it anonymous so I wouldn't get accused of racism wink

You wouldn't believe the problems it cause when I referred to the 3.14keys in another letter.

Jasandjules

69,825 posts

228 months

Monday 14th April 2014
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Inspectors will go in? Are they expecting any such teaching to continue whilst there is some official bloke in the room watching?

Pickled Piper

6,334 posts

234 months

Monday 14th April 2014
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Chlamydia said:
RedTrident said:
What type of complaints? That people were being elected onto school governing bodies that other parents were not happy about? The existing governing system in most schools allows for parents to join the governing body. Once nominations are received all the other parents get a chance to vote. If anything, as is often the case, if anyone 'dodgy' gets in it is usually a consequence of apathy from the wider group of parents.

The second complaint I can think of is that the governing bodies are influencing the curriculum and appointment of staff. Unless they're doing something illegal then all they are doing here is fulfilling their roles. I'd have expected at least one industrial tribunal from someone who failed to get a job and/or was hounded out because their religion didn't fit.

Have I missed something? Looking forward to see what the actual evidence is and what the investigation reports.
In your haste to imply that this is based on race or religion you've missed the minor detail that some of the people making these claims are themselves Muslims, uncomfortable with what they see as infiltration by extremists.
Indeed. Currently over 200 complaints. Some Muslim parents and a local Muslim MP have come out and stated that it is most definitely going on and has been for many years.

Several industrial tribunals have cited these cases and at least one was upheld.

Counter terrorism are involved because several of those implicated are directly linked to banned organisations.

Government organisations have been walking on egg shells for many years and ignoring the the obvious. The letter may or may not have been genuine. However, it's served it's purpose by giving many people the courage to come forward.

One news report openly states that the alleged instigators are all Muslim of Pakistani origin.

Anyway, let's hear it from the appologists and those in denial. It always makes for amusing reading.