Conservative atheists?

[alock]

Engineer1 said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Bibbs said:

I had a girlfriend who broke down in tears one evening, as she "loved me" but didn't want to see me in "an eternity in hell".

I've been told by a religious person that I'm going straight to hell. My reply..."Great, I hate queuing."

Given who is likely to get into Heaven I think I'd prefer Hell,

And some people seem to think heaven would be a good place. I don't think these people really comprehend how long eternity is. Can you imagine living somewhere for a thousand years? How about a million years or a trillion years?
How about
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999,999,999,999,999 years?

We're still no where near eternity. Being anywhere for eternity has to be the very definition of hell. Therefore heaven is equivalent to hell anyway.

[rovermorris999]

Artoir, pretty much how I see things.

Edited by rovermorris999 on Wednesday 16th April 15:58

[Einion Yrth]

Hence Valhalla: you wake up every morning with the mother of all hangovers and no recollection of the day before the day before the day before the day before the day before the day before...

[Halb]

Bradgate said:

Socially libertarian policies (eg legalising drugs, prostitution & guns, removing all restrictions on gambling etc) would horrify most people over 60, mothers of young children and anyone who reads the Daily Mail.

Economically libertarian policies (eg fully privatised healthcare, education and pensions; unlimited immigration; no minimum wage, employment protection, housing benefit, child benefit or tax credits; repeal of planning restrictions to allow a development free-for-all; binning Trident, leaving NATO and the EU) would horrify just about everyone. Ok, perhaps not the bit about leaving the EU……..

Any 'belief system' implemented without restraint or common (real world) sense is dangerous, that's where we get into fundamentalism. If people could get rid of their ideologies and moved forward with what works, what is best practise I think we would end up with a society that has a sprinkling of socialism, libertarianism, capitalism, communism, protectionism, democracy, republicanism, demarchy etc.
Like what we have now, but why are people unhappy? The system is failing and the party gangs always put ideologies ahead of what works best. The War on drugs as a prime example.

[anonymous-user]

alock said:

Being anywhere for eternity has to be the very definition of hell.

Baldrick, believe me, eternity in the company of Beelzebub and all his hellish instruments of death will be a picnic compared to five minutes with Ann Widdecombe and Rowan Williams.

Apolgies to devout Adderists for misquote.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

alock said:

And some people seem to think heaven would be a good place. I don't think these people really comprehend how long eternity is. Can you imagine living somewhere for a thousand years? How about a million years or a trillion years?
How about
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999,999,999,999,999 years?

Makes you wonder what the point of 70 yrs on Earth is. Will you even remember it after a couple of billion years in heaven.

[Derek Smith]

Something someone posted on this thread - I can't find it easily - made me search YouTube for Blair and religion and I found a debate between him and Hitchens.

What the poster suggested was that Blair was only a spouse catholic, changing because of pressure from the other side. This was something I had never considered.

But after watching the debate I've got to say I'm now convinced he's gone catholic because of Cherry. He argued without conviction and without emotion. Just as he always did in the labour party. In my opinion he was in that for what he could get out of it - in fact changing it to suit his ambitions - and if he had the power he would out the vicar of christ and move it his way.

There was a telling moment - he was a subtle bugger, that Hitchens - when the use of birth control was brought into the argument, with Cherry's admission of forgetting her anti-spermicidal cream (if the story was true of course, which I would bet against) public knowledge. Blair then said, without any hesitation, that, in effect, he didn't mind committing a mortal sin as everyone changed their religion to suit. Or, to put it another way, popes are all wrong.

He's no catholic.

[Bibbs]

alock said:

Engineer1 said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Bibbs said:

I had a girlfriend who broke down in tears one evening, as she "loved me" but didn't want to see me in "an eternity in hell".

I've been told by a religious person that I'm going straight to hell. My reply..."Great, I hate queuing."

Given who is likely to get into Heaven I think I'd prefer Hell,

And some people seem to think heaven would be a good place. I don't think these people really comprehend how long eternity is. Can you imagine living somewhere for a thousand years? How about a million years or a trillion years?
How about
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999,999,999,999,999 years?

We're still no where near eternity. Being anywhere for eternity has to be the very definition of hell. Therefore heaven is equivalent to hell anyway.

Jim Jefferies (NSFW - contains swearing)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S_XTtCXy2E

[The_Burg]

Here we go again. Would anyone with more than 2 braincells believe that a person who believes in magic pixies is fit to run a country?

Seem to remember that this occured many years ago during the dark ages.

Time to reopen the assylums? Intelligence seems to be rapidly going backwards.

The only useful comment from the bibble seems to be based around avoiding apples, which has to be a good thing. (Apple as in rippoff for the stupid not Granny Smiths or that moderately famous bunch of hippies from the 60s that recorded the odd track).

[Art0ir]

I really don't think this has to become yet another religion thread.

It's a good premise for a discussion really; political stereotypes and how people fall into certain ways of thinking according to their political or social views. (See blind adoration of UKIP, Labour or Cons for example).

There'll never be a party that matches all of my views, so I'm swayed towards the one that offers the closest.

[Bibbs]

Art0ir said:

I really don't think this has to become yet another religion thread.

It's a good premise for a discussion really; political stereotypes and how people fall into certain ways of thinking according to their political or social views. (See blind adoration of UKIP, Labour or Cons for example).

There'll never be a party that matches all of my views, so I'm swayed towards the one that offers the closest.

The last election in Aus was difficult.

Labour and atheist, Conservative and religious.
Or the Greens that are atheist and liberal.

As an economic conservative, social liberal atheist, it was a hard choice.

Especially when I want tight boarder controls and no mining taxes.

[Art0ir]

Bibbs said:

The last election in Aus was difficult.

Labour and atheist, Conservative and religious.
Or the Greens that are atheist and liberal.

As an economic conservative, social liberal atheist, it was a hard choice.

Especially when I want tight boarder controls and no mining taxes.

It's definitely much more polarising in other countries such as Aus and the US. Thankfully, the UK is a predominantly secular country which makes my choices easier.

[mybrainhurts]

voyds9 said:

I would have thought the core Conservative voter was likely to be a church going, older tax payer (or had previously been). .

How very DARE you..?

[Pesty]

Is there an election coming.


Cameron says Britain should be 'more confident about our status as a Christian country - and more evangelical about faith'
PM admits he has felt the 'healing power' of the Church
Being a Christian nation does not mean 'doing down' other religions
Britain should be 'more confident' about its status as Christian country
Defends criticism from senior clergy over Government's welfare reforms

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2606291/Ca...

[onomatopoeia]

Pesty said:

Is there an election coming.


Cameron says Britain should be 'more confident about our status as a Christian country - and more evangelical about faith'
PM admits he has felt the 'healing power' of the Church
Being a Christian nation does not mean 'doing down' other religions
Britain should be 'more confident' about its status as Christian country
Defends criticism from senior clergy over Government's welfare reforms

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2606291/Ca...

Also said by Cameron and quoted in the article:

"Of course, faith is neither necessary nor sufficient for morality"

On this, if little else in that article, I agree.


I dislike evangelicals, whether religionist evangelicals or atheist evangelicals.

[Thorodin]

Derek Smith said:

Something someone posted on this thread - I can't find it easily - made me search YouTube for Blair and religion and I found a debate between him and Hitchens.

What the poster suggested was that Blair was only a spouse catholic, changing because of pressure from the other side. This was something I had never considered.

But after watching the debate I've got to say I'm now convinced he's gone catholic because of Cherry. He argued without conviction and without emotion. Just as he always did in the labour party. In my opinion he was in that for what he could get out of it - in fact changing it to suit his ambitions - and if he had the power he would out the vicar of christ and move it his way.

There was a telling moment - he was a subtle bugger, that Hitchens - when the use of birth control was brought into the argument, with Cherry's admission of forgetting her anti-spermicidal cream (if the story was true of course, which I would bet against) public knowledge. Blair then said, without any hesitation, that, in effect, he didn't mind committing a mortal sin as everyone changed their religion to suit. Or, to put it another way, popes are all wrong.

He's no catholic.

Guilty - Monday. If he was sincere he would parry questions with dogma like they all do, and finish with a homily such as "Yes, my son, but He moves in a mysterious way". To be frank I despair at the way so many voters could be conned by such an obvious charlatan. I am convinced that none of them, the 'believers' in 'high places', actually do 'believe'. Personally, I rejected all of it after leaving Sunday School and experiencing the venality and corruption in real life yet I go to church weddings, funerals and christenings. Enjoy the hymns too, but consider them folk music.