Food banks - what is the real story

[Pothole]

petemurphy said:

Pothole said:

t's a big responsibility but it has its upsides.

piss-taking caaahn'

[petemurphy]

The mail never lies. Possibly.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2608606/No...

[turbobloke]

petemurphy said:

The mail never lies. Possibly.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2608606/No...

That comment should be directed at people working at food banks since it's their words that the Mail is reporting, and the outcomes from undercover filming have more chance of representing the actual situation than the fine self-justifying words of a charity's officials. As per some of the comments in that article, certain people prefer to shoot the messenger rather than confront a message which exposes their own misconceptions. This is not aimed at petemurphy.

[McWigglebum4th]

I'm still torn by food banks


I don't want to see people forced to go to them due to lack of cash.

However i don't want the government to fix the problem as they will just throw cash at it until the problem goes away.


Maybe jamie oliver has the right idea and teach people how to cook instead of shovelling crap down their throats

[NicD]

The Mail is on the case, certainly some abuse, just a question of how much

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2608606/No...

[petemurphy]

McWigglebum4th said:

I'm still torn by food banks


I don't want to see people forced to go to them due to lack of cash.

However i don't want the government to fix the problem as they will just throw cash at it until the problem goes away.


Maybe jamie oliver has the right idea and teach people how to cook instead of shovelling crap down their throats

this and what someone said earlier about the amount of food waste thrown away by supermarkets etc

[Countdown]

McWigglebum4th said:

I'm still torn by food banks


I don't want to see people forced to go to them due to lack of cash.

However i don't want the government to fix the problem as they will just throw cash at it until the problem goes away.

AFAICS it's all voluntary stuff at the moment with Charities doing the collection and the distribution so no Govt involvement.

[turbobloke]

McWigglebum4th said:

I'm still torn by food banks


I don't want to see people forced to go to them due to lack of cash.

However i don't want the government to fix the problem as they will just throw cash at it until the problem goes away.

Governments throwing money to fix a problem makes the money go away not the problem.

[10 Pence Short]

Countdown said:

AFAICS it's all voluntary stuff at the moment with Charities doing the collection and the distribution so no Govt involvement.

I am pro the reduction in benefits to people who could work. I am also pro targeted, practical benefits to replace the provision of money that can be spent wherever on whatever. So I am pro food banks.

What seems to be going awry is that a percentage of people are abusing the facility, possibly due to a lack of checks and balances. That doesn't say to me we should scrap the food banks. It says they should improve the checks and balances.

[turbobloke]

10 Pence Short said:

Countdown said:

AFAICS it's all voluntary stuff at the moment with Charities doing the collection and the distribution so no Govt involvement.

I am pro the reduction in benefits to people who could work. I am also pro targeted, practical benefits to replace the provision of money that can be spent wherever on whatever. So I am pro food banks.

What seems to be going awry is that a percentage of people are abusing the facility, possibly due to a lack of checks and balances. That doesn't say to me we should scrap the food banks. It says they should improve the checks and balances.

Quite so, in addition the relevant charity officials need to stfu until their house is in order and they know more closely what the actual position is, rather than exploit for political purposes the pretend position with their staff screwing up.

[McWigglebum4th]

turbobloke said:

Governments throwing money to fix a problem makes the money go away not the problem.

But we haven't tried throwing enough money

A few £million per claimant should see them getting enough to buy a can of baked beans

[turbobloke]

McWigglebum4th said:

turbobloke said:

Governments throwing money to fix a problem makes the money go away not the problem.

But we haven't tried throwing enough money

A few £million per claimant should see them getting enough to buy a can of baked beans

Exactly, after our taxes disappear the problem remains.

[menousername]

10 Pence Short said:

I am pro the reduction in benefits to people who could work. I am also pro targeted, practical benefits to replace the provision of money that can be spent wherever on whatever. So I am pro food banks.

What seems to be going awry is that a percentage of people are abusing the facility, possibly due to a lack of checks and balances. That doesn't say to me we should scrap the food banks. It says they should improve the checks and balances.

Its not a "facility" its a charity

[Pothole]

10 Pence Short said:

Countdown said:

AFAICS it's all voluntary stuff at the moment with Charities doing the collection and the distribution so no Govt involvement.

I am pro the reduction in benefits to people who could work. I am also pro targeted, practical benefits to replace the provision of money that can be spent wherever on whatever. So I am pro food banks.

What seems to be going awry is that a percentage of people are abusing the facility, possibly due to a lack of checks and balances. That doesn't say to me we should scrap the food banks. It says they should improve the checks and balances.

What evidence of this abuse have you seen?

[ambuletz]

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/apr/20/foo...

• gives DM the finger*

shame on them.

[McWigglebum4th]

ambuletz said:

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/apr/20/foo...

• gives DM the finger*

shame on them.

I love the daily wail

They give me a laugh on a daily basis

and guardian comments are great fun too

[Countdown]

ambuletz said:

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/apr/20/foo...

• gives DM the finger*

shame on them.

[turbobloke]

Countdown said:

ambuletz said:

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/apr/20/foo...

• gives DM the finger*

shame on them.

Food banks see a surge of (genuine) interest and help more people = a good thing.

The Daily Mail undercover operation exposes errors in the data and rhetoric of politically motivated charity officials = a good thing.

You happy clapping some gimps quoted in The Guardian who were appalled by an investigation which uncovered malpractice is typical, and in no way did the article disprove what was in the Mail so it's fingers folded-in time.

Biased hard-of-thinking types can clap on, there's a tambourine over there ----->

[NicD]

Yep, takes all sorts, but if my taxes aren't further taxed, i am all in favour.
In fact, there should be much less governmental contribution and more individual, after all, we can better exercise judgment.


The Guardian writes:
'Before the article, there had been about 250 public donations since the Trussell Trust launched its JustGiving page in late January. That jumped to more than 3,300, worth more than £36,000. Several donors cited the article as the reason for contributing.

"The Mail on Sunday story appalled me. This is the least I can do to apologise for their crime," said Anonymous after donating £10.

Another, Spitting Feathers, said: "I am incensed by the disgraceful article. Call this journalism? I don't. I'm not a Christian and admire the work being done by human beings for their fellow human beings. Thank you."'

[turbobloke]

NicD said:

Yep, takes all sorts, but if my taxes aren't further taxed, i am all in favour.
In fact, there should be much less governmental contribution and more individual, after all, we can better exercise judgment.


The Guardian writes:
'Before the article, there had been about 250 public donations since the Trussell Trust launched its JustGiving page in late January. That jumped to more than 3,300, worth more than £36,000. Several donors cited the article as the reason for contributing.

"The Mail on Sunday story appalled me. This is the least I can do to apologise for their crime," said Anonymous after donating £10.

Another, Spitting Feathers, said: "I am incensed by the disgraceful article. Call this journalism? I don't. I'm not a Christian and admire the work being done by human beings for their fellow human beings. Thank you."'

That looks supiciously like the type of reader the Daily Mail is supposed to attract - all that outrage, and over something accurate that needed looking into precisely in order to help even more people...when staff play by the rules and the abusers are filtered out it will leave more for 'genuine' food bank visitors. The Guardian is left looking like the emotive lowbrow handwringing rag it always has been.