Cameron wants more Evangelical Christianity in UK politics

Cameron wants more Evangelical Christianity in UK politics

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carinaman

21,222 posts

171 months

Monday 21st April 2014
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With the Rev. Flowers being the Poster Boy for faith, I think I'll give it a miss thank you.

Halmyre

11,148 posts

138 months

Monday 21st April 2014
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fesuvious said:
I am not religious. Logic and reason makes me this way.

Do I want this country run as a Christian country, with an emphasis on Christian values?

Absolutely. This should be considered a Christian country. And our schooling, values and laws should be born from this.
how can you be "not religious" but still want a Christian-run country?

Besides, what sort of Christian values? Opposition to gay marriage? Opposition to contraception? Approval of segregated schools? Opposition to Sunday trading? Covering up of systematic child abuse? Opposition to a Catholic monarchy?

RedTrident

8,290 posts

234 months

Monday 21st April 2014
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What are Christian values? Absolute nonsense by the Prime Minister. He's at risk of doing a Tony Blair.


carinaman

21,222 posts

171 months

Monday 21st April 2014
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RedTrident said:
What are Christian values? Absolute nonsense by the Prime Minister. He's at risk of doing a Tony Blair.
He's already done it:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18437287


Would I go to church if I get to stand behind Rebekah Brooks?

The last time I went to church, after the service between the church and community hall a woman came over to ask directions or for some help. I think an elderly parishioner noticing that I was not from them thare parts and possibly doubting the intentions of the woman approaching me and my friends helpfully guided her away to the community hall. Why is this relevant? The woman wandering over had quite a nice motor.

Martin4x4

6,506 posts

131 months

Monday 21st April 2014
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I want them in jail as fraudsters, but we don't always get our way.

aw51 121565

4,771 posts

232 months

Monday 21st April 2014
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Martin4x4 said:
I want them in jail as fraudsters, but we don't always get our way.
Things work out in time, what goes around comes around...

Look at how the thread about the Crystal Methodist and the one about Cyril Smith have suddenly come together around certain (ahem) historical events in Rochdale and who were two of the key players involved in different roles (one arguably as gamekeeper, the other more hands-on)! rofl (And cry for the victims.)

And with regard to comments around CMD "finding God", look at what happened to Sir James Anderton and GMP when he was chief constable and starting spouting off about his personal messages from God hehe .

This will not end well; central government seems to be truly a race to the bottom (no pun intended) nowadays. nuts

smile

EskimoArapaho

5,135 posts

134 months

Monday 21st April 2014
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fesuvious said:
I am not religious. Logic and reason makes me this way.

Do I want this country run as a Christian country, with an emphasis on Christian values?

Absolutely. This should be considered a Christian country. And our schooling, values and laws should be born from this.

yet more promotion of the eradication of history and identity of our country in the name of 'multiculturalism' should no be allowed.

we are a diverse planet, if you want to live somewhere warm, or cold, or dry, or rainy, it is easy to do. If you want to live in a communist country, again, you can.

personally I want to live in Great Britain. Which is a country of predominantly Christian faith with a rich history. We have a royal family, and a parliamentary system of democracy.

oh, and our language is English.

racist? No, one day I might decide I would like a different faith, or might like to live in a different climate. And should that day come I have no shortage of countries to choose from. But out of respect I would research and adopt the language and customs.

not somehow think I can foist my own upon them.
And now, perhaps, you can explain why Christianity's arrival in Britain merits special status. In its history Christian views were indeed foisted on the Britons, frequently on pain of death.

You have FA perspective for someone who says "logic and reason"! biggrin

Dr Chuff

296 posts

283 months

Monday 21st April 2014
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I've just joined the Humanist Association.
I think Cameron diverting funds away from secular causes to specific Christian ones is outrageous.

We're not a Christian country anymore, thank God.

Dr C

Zod

35,295 posts

257 months

Tuesday 22nd April 2014
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Guam said:



Looks like CMD is changing his road to electoral oblivion smile
Nigel Farage on Daybreak this morning said:
“I’ve been saying for years that Britain should be more muscular in its Christianity.”

10 Pence Short

32,880 posts

216 months

Tuesday 22nd April 2014
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Zod said:
Guam said:



Looks like CMD is changing his road to electoral oblivion smile
Nigel Farage on Daybreak this morning said:
“I’ve been saying for years that Britain should be more muscular in its Christianity.”
Yes, but, but, but, erm, Farage means it ironically. Or something. And if he doesn't then it's a publicity stunt, innit. And anyway, Cameron only said that whole religion thing because he knew Farage was going to say similar later, so he had to do it, as UKIP are clearly driving the agenda. Oh yeah, clever Farage has now got the big 3 running scared on religion....

Digga

40,206 posts

282 months

Tuesday 22nd April 2014
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10 Pence Short said:
Zod said:
Guam said:



Looks like CMD is changing his road to electoral oblivion smile
Nigel Farage on Daybreak this morning said:
“I’ve been saying for years that Britain should be more muscular in its Christianity.”
Yes, but, but, but, erm, Farage means it ironically. Or something. And if he doesn't then it's a publicity stunt, innit. And anyway, Cameron only said that whole religion thing because he knew Farage was going to say similar later, so he had to do it, as UKIP are clearly driving the agenda. Oh yeah, clever Farage has now got the big 3 running scared on religion....
Personally, I think they (any parties jumping onto the Christianity bandwagon) are a very long way out of step with most of the voters in the UK. You only have to look at church attendance and their demographics to see that.

That we've allowed 'certain' other, minority religions to dominate issues is another matter.

As for British tradition, well that's a bit more sketchy. Certainly, there were times in the past where expressing anything other than the officially approved (Chritsian) religious views made life pretty difficult, if not impossible, but we also have very strong pagan roots, just beneath the surface of the organised, Christian stuff - my own favourite being the midwinter feast.

I'd like any reasonable religion tolerated here, but I'd not like to see a return to any official, government endorsement or any moves to try to disenfranchise atheists or agnostics.

Halmyre

11,148 posts

138 months

Tuesday 22nd April 2014
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Zod said:
Guam said:



Looks like CMD is changing his road to electoral oblivion smile
Nigel Farage on Daybreak this morning said:
“I’ve been saying for years that Britain should be more muscular in its Christianity.”
confused Does he want us to watch more movies about gladiators?

Zod

35,295 posts

257 months

Tuesday 22nd April 2014
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Guam said:
Zod said:
Guam said:



Looks like CMD is changing his road to electoral oblivion smile
Nigel Farage on Daybreak this morning said:
“I’ve been saying for years that Britain should be more muscular in its Christianity.”
Indeed but he isnt running the country and by your own protestations isn't likely to be, Dave on the other hand is, so one expects that a PM will not veer from a secular society nor wander into mono cultural views, perhaps you should think about a move over to Labour Zod?
Britain, Milliband said in an interview, is a ‘Christian country’ despite declining observance, and he strongly believes religion ‘nourishes people’.


Zod

35,295 posts

257 months

Tuesday 22nd April 2014
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Guam said:
Indeed but he isnt running the country and by your own protestations isn't likely to be, Dave on the other hand is, so one expects that a PM will not veer from a secular society nor wander into mono cultural views, perhaps you should think about a move over to Labour Zod?
Ah, so now your excuse for Farage is that he can say what he likes because he will never run the country. It seems you agree with my characterisation of him on the other thread this morning.

santona1937

736 posts

129 months

Tuesday 22nd April 2014
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Of course DC's constituency staff turning away members of the church trying to present a petition to their MP has done the whole Britain should be more Christian thing the world of Good

longblackcoat

5,047 posts

182 months

Tuesday 22nd April 2014
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santona1937 said:
Of course DC's constituency staff turning away members of the church trying to present a petition to their MP has done the whole Britain should be more Christian thing the world of Good
I've tried several times to read and understand what you've posted, but I'm utterly bamboozled.

Care to feed it back through GoogleTranslate and have another go?

carinaman

21,222 posts

171 months

Tuesday 22nd April 2014
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Thanks santona! I was unaware of that. Seems Wavy Dave needs his BiB more than he needs God. The Bullingdon Boy is looking a bit hypocritical.

Esseesse

8,969 posts

207 months

Tuesday 22nd April 2014
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EskimoArapaho said:
fesuvious said:
I am not religious. Logic and reason makes me this way.

Do I want this country run as a Christian country, with an emphasis on Christian values?

Absolutely. This should be considered a Christian country. And our schooling, values and laws should be born from this.

yet more promotion of the eradication of history and identity of our country in the name of 'multiculturalism' should no be allowed.

we are a diverse planet, if you want to live somewhere warm, or cold, or dry, or rainy, it is easy to do. If you want to live in a communist country, again, you can.

personally I want to live in Great Britain. Which is a country of predominantly Christian faith with a rich history. We have a royal family, and a parliamentary system of democracy.

oh, and our language is English.

racist? No, one day I might decide I would like a different faith, or might like to live in a different climate. And should that day come I have no shortage of countries to choose from. But out of respect I would research and adopt the language and customs.

not somehow think I can foist my own upon them.
And now, perhaps, you can explain why Christianity's arrival in Britain merits special status. In its history Christian views were indeed foisted on the Britons, frequently on pain of death.

You have FA perspective for someone who says "logic and reason"! biggrin
I completely agree with fesuvious and I am not at all religious.

santona1937

736 posts

129 months

Tuesday 22nd April 2014
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carinaman

21,222 posts

171 months

Tuesday 22nd April 2014
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santona1937 said:
laugh

'Wavy Dave makes being a God Botherer an offence'?