Skiing - Are Volkl V-Werks worth the money& Head Chip Tech.
Discussion
Well i still havent purchased a replacement pair of skis yet and still umming and arring on what to get. I then decide but then the ski in my size is sold out.
Anyway, as im still after a lightish ski that is playful and slower speeds but 'fast' in the straights, yet something that wont aggravate an old knee injury (my old crossmax's did but then rental Head IRallyes didnt), im starting to think about splashing the cash as such and getting some Volkl V-Werks but cant decide on if there worth the money or not when compared to something like the Head iTitans/Prestige/Limited/Blizzard Brahma or the Volkl Kendo/Mantra.
I did find a review of them that suggested the weight was no different to any of the other skis mentioned.
Also, has anyone skied on the old or new Head Chip Technology ski? I understand how the Kers works, is it the same or will the Kers/Chip function 'start to die' the more days its used?
So has anyone skied on them yet/able to comment
Thanks
Anyway, as im still after a lightish ski that is playful and slower speeds but 'fast' in the straights, yet something that wont aggravate an old knee injury (my old crossmax's did but then rental Head IRallyes didnt), im starting to think about splashing the cash as such and getting some Volkl V-Werks but cant decide on if there worth the money or not when compared to something like the Head iTitans/Prestige/Limited/Blizzard Brahma or the Volkl Kendo/Mantra.
I did find a review of them that suggested the weight was no different to any of the other skis mentioned.
Also, has anyone skied on the old or new Head Chip Technology ski? I understand how the Kers works, is it the same or will the Kers/Chip function 'start to die' the more days its used?
So has anyone skied on them yet/able to comment
Thanks
I can't comment on the V-Werks or Head tech but have a pair of Volkl Mantra's which I absolutely love. Mine are five or six years old, I got them the first year they came out. Two mates now have a pair too.
If you want one pair of skis that can go anywhere on a mountain and are not lucky enough to have a pair of powder ski's and piste ski's etc they're brilliant. They're brilliant off-piste, are stiff enough that you can still carve really nicely on piste and are brilliant at powering through heavy snow.
If you want one pair of skis that can go anywhere on a mountain and are not lucky enough to have a pair of powder ski's and piste ski's etc they're brilliant. They're brilliant off-piste, are stiff enough that you can still carve really nicely on piste and are brilliant at powering through heavy snow.
I remember you saying in the other thread, but ive read the reviews for them since and think that theyll be a bit to stiff for my liking.
The crossmax plus my boots would make my right knee balloon up.
When i switched the the irally, my knee was generally good. I tried some proper off-piste ski's and they where fine as well, though didnt like the nose 'shake' at 50+.
Next seasons Mantra's are apparently a bit more softer and possibly more suited to what i want (from my understanding) but id imagine the price + bindings puts them into 'old' v-werks price.
Im just wondering though if the 'chip' tech in the Limited/Prestige skis works the same as the Kers in the i skis, but cant seem to find any reviews about them though :-/
The crossmax plus my boots would make my right knee balloon up.
When i switched the the irally, my knee was generally good. I tried some proper off-piste ski's and they where fine as well, though didnt like the nose 'shake' at 50+.
Next seasons Mantra's are apparently a bit more softer and possibly more suited to what i want (from my understanding) but id imagine the price + bindings puts them into 'old' v-werks price.
Im just wondering though if the 'chip' tech in the Limited/Prestige skis works the same as the Kers in the i skis, but cant seem to find any reviews about them though :-/
One of my mates has some Armada JJ's as well as the Volk's....he reckons they actually quite a lot of fun on piste because of the shape of the ski (rather than the shape of the ege if that makes sense)..they actually turn very easily. They would obviously be softer but if you're looking for a piste carving ski might not be for you.
One thing I can tell you is that I can't remember seeing one person on the V Werks skis this season...
One thing I can tell you is that I can't remember seeing one person on the V Werks skis this season...
The more i read about todays ski tech the more i change my mind on what ski i want :lol:
Was reading about flat tails/rocker heads (?) being able to do wind screen wiper turns which i tend to do due to laziness so could be a good ski for me but then there mainly off-piste skis so id be sacrificing the top end, which i want to keep.
A mates recommended to me the Black Crows but they dont seem to be getting rave reviews. He rates his, hit 70mph+ but at the same time, hes a good 30kg more than me but he has off-piste skis (due to his weight) so cant really compare them to on-piste skis.
Im guessing you didnt see many V-Werks due to the cost, hence why theres hardly any reviews but you can get the Katanas for around £600 (no bindings) or the RTM for £850ish. If i go for the Brahma's (which im swaying to), there £450 minus bindings. As id like the knee bindings, thats £200 so takes it to £650.
I posted on the snowheads forum and the way the chip tech/kers was explained to me, doesnt like itd suit my style of skiing (though i got on with the irally).
Then i think, well if im only going once/twice a year, itll take 6 years for them to pay themselfs off, so do you just rent each year the latest (potentially) gear and sell my ski bag.
I know, tough first world problem hey
Was reading about flat tails/rocker heads (?) being able to do wind screen wiper turns which i tend to do due to laziness so could be a good ski for me but then there mainly off-piste skis so id be sacrificing the top end, which i want to keep.
A mates recommended to me the Black Crows but they dont seem to be getting rave reviews. He rates his, hit 70mph+ but at the same time, hes a good 30kg more than me but he has off-piste skis (due to his weight) so cant really compare them to on-piste skis.
Im guessing you didnt see many V-Werks due to the cost, hence why theres hardly any reviews but you can get the Katanas for around £600 (no bindings) or the RTM for £850ish. If i go for the Brahma's (which im swaying to), there £450 minus bindings. As id like the knee bindings, thats £200 so takes it to £650.
I posted on the snowheads forum and the way the chip tech/kers was explained to me, doesnt like itd suit my style of skiing (though i got on with the irally).
Then i think, well if im only going once/twice a year, itll take 6 years for them to pay themselfs off, so do you just rent each year the latest (potentially) gear and sell my ski bag.
I know, tough first world problem hey
I had consider this/going for a skierX ski again but thought the stiffness would inflame my knee hence the need for something 'softer'.
Yes, i could go for a 'softer' GS ski thts not quite GS but then itd have the same characteristics of the other skis ive mentioned?
I could ski off-piste on the X-maxs so im not fussed by width waist, mostly its the stiffness that concerns me the most without sacrificing to much of the other parts im looking for
Yes, i could go for a 'softer' GS ski thts not quite GS but then itd have the same characteristics of the other skis ive mentioned?
I could ski off-piste on the X-maxs so im not fussed by width waist, mostly its the stiffness that concerns me the most without sacrificing to much of the other parts im looking for
Asterix said:
Not directed at anyone in particular...
Just get a decent set of GS skis and you can punt round the whole mountain - they'll perform brilliantly off piste if you know how to ski.
Definitely you can put a good skier on anything and they can go anywhere on them. That said to most people it does make a difference and different skis suit your style.Just get a decent set of GS skis and you can punt round the whole mountain - they'll perform brilliantly off piste if you know how to ski.
I tried some piste/carving skis a couple of seasons ago having used my Matra's exclusively for a few years.....absolutely f
king hated them....felt really twitchy and unstable to me.OK, so finally coming to conclusion that the Brahma's will be best suited to me after hearing reviews about the V-Werks being suited to a heavy skier or someone willing to work them all the time due to stiffness.
However, my question is, what do you think is defined as a heavy skier? Being 14st once kitted up, i wouldnt have thought would be heavy (i weigh around 80kg at xmas, currently 78kg now)but there doesnt seem to be a definitive answer on it.
What do you guys reckon?
Also, been searching the net about my boots as thought 'softer' boots may help preventing knee issue - turns out the expected stiffness of my Boots (Technica Icon Carbons 2002) with the stiff inserts in but without the black cuffs is around 130, 150 with the black cuffs on. Removing the stiffners etc brings the stiffness down to 100-120
However, my question is, what do you think is defined as a heavy skier? Being 14st once kitted up, i wouldnt have thought would be heavy (i weigh around 80kg at xmas, currently 78kg now)but there doesnt seem to be a definitive answer on it.
What do you guys reckon?
Also, been searching the net about my boots as thought 'softer' boots may help preventing knee issue - turns out the expected stiffness of my Boots (Technica Icon Carbons 2002) with the stiff inserts in but without the black cuffs is around 130, 150 with the black cuffs on. Removing the stiffners etc brings the stiffness down to 100-120
Before we talk weight etc...
Where would you rate yourself according to this..?
http://www.insideoutskiing.com/levels.html
Where would you rate yourself according to this..?
http://www.insideoutskiing.com/levels.html
lemmingjames said:
However, my question is, what do you think is defined as a heavy skier? Being 14st once kitted up, i wouldnt have thought would be heavy (i weigh around 80kg at xmas, currently 78kg now)but there doesnt seem to be a definitive answer on it.
What do you guys reckon?
Also, been searching the net about my boots as thought 'softer' boots may help preventing knee issue - turns out the expected stiffness of my Boots (Technica Icon Carbons 2002) with the stiff inserts in but without the black cuffs is around 130, 150 with the black cuffs on. Removing the stiffners etc brings the stiffness down to 100-120
Most people have boots that are too stiff for them...I have Technica boots which when I bought mine a few years ago were one of the better boots in terms of ankle flex. 14st sounds on the heavier side of average to me. What do you guys reckon?
Also, been searching the net about my boots as thought 'softer' boots may help preventing knee issue - turns out the expected stiffness of my Boots (Technica Icon Carbons 2002) with the stiff inserts in but without the black cuffs is around 130, 150 with the black cuffs on. Removing the stiffners etc brings the stiffness down to 100-120
lemmingjames said:
85kg is roughly the average Male weight for Europe (92kg for the Americans)
So that puts me at just under average weight without ski gear on
If you take out the vaste swathes of the population that are fat So that puts me at just under average weight without ski gear on
s, do no exercise and certainly don't ski I reckon you're above average!!!lemmingjames said:
True but unfortunately you dont have to be in shape as such to ski
As for the MX88, i have considered it but cant find it 'cheap' enough as such. Have found it at £670 but without bindings, im tempted by the knee bindings = £220 = similar sorta costs as the V-Werks
That is a very good price for the MX88s. Haven't looked at the knee bindings, but I've never had a knee injury. (yet).As for the MX88, i have considered it but cant find it 'cheap' enough as such. Have found it at £670 but without bindings, im tempted by the knee bindings = £220 = similar sorta costs as the V-Werks
Just reading through the 'specs' of some of the ski's and they all feature pretty much the same characteristics as each other (with regards to materials used) yet its 'funny' to see how reviewers find them all skiing differently.
Or how manufacturers keep the design the same year in year out and just change the graphics, nothing else.
With regards to the Knee Bindings - ive not done my ACL/MCL though ive managed a bone on bone contact in the knee joint though skiing and its not something i want to potentially repeat. They dont seem to be a park ski (i dont ski park anyway) and tend to get decent reviews. However, Salomon have released a tour/alpine binding (so has the qualities of both) that i could be tempted by
Or how manufacturers keep the design the same year in year out and just change the graphics, nothing else.
With regards to the Knee Bindings - ive not done my ACL/MCL though ive managed a bone on bone contact in the knee joint though skiing and its not something i want to potentially repeat. They dont seem to be a park ski (i dont ski park anyway) and tend to get decent reviews. However, Salomon have released a tour/alpine binding (so has the qualities of both) that i could be tempted by
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