Engine cutting out.

Engine cutting out.

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Tri2Tri

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184 posts

138 months

Wednesday 23rd April 2014
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Went out for a quick run today. Once the engine was warmed up everytime I came to a halt at junctions/lights ect the engine would die. This would happen as the revs fell below 1200 and would just die. Re starting was/is not a problem and would re start on the button but I would have to keep the revs up when standstill to save it dying again. The car is a 4.0 only mods being de catt and clive y piece and an ACT induction kit. All leads,plugs dizzy cap have been replaced a few miles ago and the air filter is clean. Once the engine is cool tick over at idle is fine and does not cut out. Any ideas what could cause this?

A900ss

3,248 posts

152 months

Wednesday 23rd April 2014
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I had a bit of cutting out last summer and a new coil corrected it.

Good luck.

jojackson4

3,026 posts

137 months

Wednesday 23rd April 2014
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Is it running rich
Black smoke/ smelled

ButtonIt

385 posts

178 months

Wednesday 23rd April 2014
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I've got this too.... apparently (according to a mate behind) it is smoking too, black smoke.

jojackson4

3,026 posts

137 months

Wednesday 23rd April 2014
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ButtonIt said:
I've got this too.... apparently (according to a mate behind) it is smoking too, black smoke.
Ecu temp sencer telling it it's still cold
That's my bet any way get the brass nut type not the plastic one

swallet

453 posts

143 months

Wednesday 23rd April 2014
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coil.
easy enough to check,

Tri2Tri

Original Poster:

184 posts

138 months

Wednesday 23rd April 2014
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New coil fitted at same time as plugs,leads. Engine does not race and settles down well once off choke. Running rich could be an issue as it is a bit smelly. How could I check/rectify this.

jojackson4

3,026 posts

137 months

Wednesday 23rd April 2014
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Rover gauge £35 from blitz on hear
Also check lots of other things all at same time
Give it a google

Tri2Tri

Original Poster:

184 posts

138 months

Wednesday 23rd April 2014
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Temp sensor also replaced for brass one, I beleive there are two though? Rover gauge is next on the list, thanks

swallet

453 posts

143 months

Wednesday 23rd April 2014
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Pulling the plugs will give you a clue as to whether it is running rich or not.

Ignition amp failure can also do funny things. Unfortunately once you have ruled out the basics (Coil, HT, dizzy, temp sensor, rotor etc) these things can be a real pain to diagnose.

PH430

147 posts

128 months

Wednesday 23rd April 2014
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Not only repacing the temp. sensor but also vent the Cooling system from air.
Temp sensor is one of the highest pointes in the coolingsystem .

A900ss

3,248 posts

152 months

Wednesday 23rd April 2014
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swallet said:
Ignition amp failure can also do funny things.
What does it actually do and what are the signs of it going wrong?

ukdj

1,004 posts

184 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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Ignition amp replaces the old points & condensor setup, signs of failure are weak & erratic spark followed by non starting when it finally fails!

QBee

20,957 posts

144 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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I used to get this a lot. You drive a number of miles, warm engine, come to a junction and it stalls. It is the stepper not movng quickly enough to stop the stall. If you catch the revs and hold it at 1000 rpm for a few seconds you should find you can lift your foot off the throttle after a few seconds.

That's the cause I believe. What's the fix?

Mine was doing it last night after I stalled it by bad clutch management. I confused the ECU it would seem. Cured itself after I stopped at the shops for 10 minutes.

Tri2Tri

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184 posts

138 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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Qbee that is exactly how it is. On coming to a stop yoou need to hold revs to stop it dying. Roundabouts are fun as I experienced this morning ! revs drop as you slow down and cut out. Trying to hold revs is what i'm doing.

Tri2Tri

Original Poster:

184 posts

138 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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.......And funilly enough as my clutch is on its way out and due replacement on Tuesday I also happen to do a bit of 'clutch bad management' by stalling the car on each occeaasion this dying engine scinario has happened. Looks like your on to something !

QBee

20,957 posts

144 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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I haven't had the problem since I had the stepper changed last year for a different reason - my old one went faulty when hot. After I had the car decatted and the Clive Y inserted the problem was so bad it was stalling on leisurely gear changes. Rob checked all the settings, then said to himself "it MUST be the stepper", swapped in a spare one and the problem was solved.

Last night my seat was one stop too far back, I started the car and let the clutch in too fast, and stalled it. Two goes to restart it, and the ECU was confused. It stalled a couple more times, so I held it on the throttle until it untwisted the ECU's knickers a bit and held its own idle. After that it tried to stall another couple of times, but after 15 miles it was all working 100%.

So if it persists, first thing to do is take the stepper apart and clean it. And if you and your TVR guy cannot solve it, try changing the stepper.

That is what I think - anyone know better?

Tri2Tri

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184 posts

138 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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Had a good look in the engine bay, checked leads/connections all was good. The car was running smelly and a little off to be honest but nothing major. What I did notice was a loose Lambda sensor in the near side manifold. This was loose by about half a turn. It appears someone had tried to tighten it in the past with a pair of mole grips as you can see the marks and it is now an oval shape. I finger tightened it back up....I have not got the tool to tighten fully, then took it out for another run. The difference is night and day. Its not smelly....well not AS smelly, and tick over is now smooth rather than lumpy. So what i'm thinking is this....... The Lambda worked loose and tick over became sluggish, on slowing down this had cut the revs. Also on pulling away at junctions I was having to give it some on the throttle to save it stalling....If I didnt it would stall and therefore thinking it was my 'clutch management'. Since tightening the Lambda pulling away is now a dream with no over revving required. Up to now no more cutting out clap. Soooo loose Lambda appears to have been the source of the problem escalating to stalling issues with clutch management which in turn has given the problem QBee has originally mentioned. So now need to find something to tighten the loose Lambda once and for all hoping that it aint damaged.

jojackson4

3,026 posts

137 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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It's good when you get to the bottom of a fault
Congrats

ianwayne

6,284 posts

268 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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Tri2Tri said:
.......And funilly enough as my clutch is on its way out and due replacement on Tuesday I also happen to do a bit of 'clutch bad management' by stalling the car on each occeaasion this dying engine scinario has happened. Looks like your on to something !
Mine went for a clutch today. frown (Been slipping for about a week under anything more than a throttle tickle.)

Just as I got to the trading estate where I was taking it, pedal went floppy, completely failed. Had to push it the last 200 yards. Couldn't even start it in gear, wouldn't take up drive at all. Bless Top Gear automotive for helping me push it!

Warning to anyone out there, if pedal is very, very stiff and the bite point right at the top, you've about 100 miles left in it. That's all I got anyway.