RE: Flaming GT3s - owners bite back

RE: Flaming GT3s - owners bite back

Wednesday 30th April 2014

Flaming GT3s - owners bite back

UPDATE: UK customers will at last get some compensation, but that's far from the end of it



Finally, one piece of good news for Porsche GT3 owners in the UK. After pressure from PHer Sunil Mehra and the action group he formed, Porsche in the UK via its dealers is now willing to pay compensation to most of those affected.

Mehra told us that owners are being offered a £5,500 lump sum to cover the period up to the end of April and £1,500 per month until the engine replacement has been carried out and the cars returned (a date we still don't know).

Those buyers whose cars were shipped to their dealer but not handed over are being given £4,000 off the cost of the car and the same £1,500 a month until delivery.

"It's good to see. I just wish it had happened sooner," Mehra told PistonHeads. However he's not pleased that Porsche in the UK won't compensate buyers whose cars were built but stayed in Germany. "I've heard from two members of the same family, one with a car here, the other with a car in Germany, and only one of them is getting compensated. It's grossly unfair."

According to Mehra, Porsche has been good about offering replacement cars, with loaners ranging from Boxsters to Caymans and Panameras.

Fingers crossed Porsche is close to finding a bulletproof fix for the broken con-rod bolts that triggered this whole problem.

[Update from Nick Gibbs].


UPDATE 28/04/14: Porsche has responded, but not in a way that GT3 owners wanted. The UK-based GT3 Action Group representing them and deposit-paying buyers of the fire-halted car has reacted angrily to the company's reply to their compensation demands.

To recap, they were very unhappy that compensation for the loss of the car and expenses such as insurance was being paid in some countries such as the US and Dubai and not in others (like in the UK).

Well at least it looks good stationary...
Well at least it looks good stationary...
The Porsche statement out of Germany doesn't alter that. "Porsche conducts business in 126 countries which are subject to unique circumstances," it reads. "Each of our worldwide subsidiaries and distributors is empowered by globally uniform information on a compensation procedure for GT3 customers, from which they can then take a locally relevant approach."

So essentially there is money, but it's up to each country how they spend it. A Porsche UK spokesman told us the decision went down to each dealer. "Our Porsche Centres know their customers best and our network will be talking to their customers individually," he said.

That didn't satisfy the action group. "Porsche AG's statement makes it sound like it's struggling with how complicated it's finding the compensation issue so it should be pleased that our Group has simplified for all concerned," the group's founder, property developer Sunil Mehra told PistonHeads.

The group has proposed a three-tier rate of compensation offered to all GT3 owners and buyers worldwide (see below).

"Most people are suffering some degree of financial loss and Porsche should do the right thing and talk to its customers rather than frustrate the living daylights out of them by just paying lip service," Mehra added.

Porsche couldn't give us an update as to when the engines will be replaced and the cars are driveable again.

[Update from Nick Gibbs].


Original story, as reported 25/04/2014:
Like one of those novelty candles that keeps reigniting after being blown out the saga of the self-immolating 911 GT3s refuses to be extinguished.

Porsche may have bought itself some time following the official acknowledgement of the failed con-rod joint that led to a couple of cars punching holes in their crankcases and apparently catching fire after hot oil sprayed over the engine bay. And the deal to replace all the engines in the cars it has instructed owners not to drive and update units going into those on the stalled production line was seemingly accepted as the least bad outcome for all concerned.

But it seems any goodwill from owners towards Porsche is running out, and quickly. Not least on the discovery that compensation for the loss of your GT3 depends very much on where you live. According to data compiled by the self-styled GT3 Worldwide Action Group American GT3 owners are getting $2,000 per month while those in the UAE are getting as much as $4,000 per month. Some European markets are offering 175 euros per day while others - British owners included - are getting nothing. At best Porsche might be considered slightly naive in thinking conversation between a small but vociferous band of aggrieved customers would not cross national boundaries, the result being a group demand for equal compensation across all territories. According to the 991 GT3 Compensation Matrix compiled by the group this is proposed at 175 euros per day for owners who've taken delivery of a car and had to hand it back, 100 euros per day for those whose cars have been built but had delivery postponed and 50 euros per day for those with delayed delivery dates.

Campaigning for the sympathy vote as someone who's just paid over £100K for a fancy sports car isn't about to raise tears from the public in the way more emotive charities might. But the kind of people who buy GT3s aren't, in their nature, the type to take this kind of thing lying down.

Claimed to comprise over a hundred GT3 customers from around the world, the GT3 Worldwide Action Group says it has a 'documented interest in excess of US$18m in this vehicle'. The letter, addressed to Porsche boss Matthias Muller via the owners' local dealers, states "as a group, most of us are professionals and business people, many of whom are longstanding, repeat Porsche customers and ambassadors of the brand. By our nature, we are driving enthusiasts who planned to use the GT3 as it was intended - for spirited driving and occasional track use.

"The GT3 Worldwide Action Group formed out of necessity due to the overall dissatisfaction and frustration we have all experienced due to Porsche's absolute failure to meet its customers' expectations with regards to the recent engine rod bolt recall."

Ouch.

We put a call into Porsche Cars GB for comment but at the time of writing nobody was available. As soon as we hear back we'll update the story accordingly.

[Sources: Telegraph Motoring, Jalopnik, PRWeb]

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Discussion

Goofnik

Original Poster:

216 posts

140 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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Porsche having problems with a car will always be a problem. However, Porsche having catastrophic failures in a GT3 should be considered a nightmare scenario, and they should be acting accordingly.

Porsche owes a lot of its brand value to its die hard enthusiasts who repeatedly spend gobs of money on its highest end sports cars. These are the folks who have influenced your typical 59 year old (median 911 buyer age, at least in the USA) as to why they should buy that base Carrera. Though there's not a lot of competition in the price range the 911 occupies, if you piss these folks off enough, they'll go elsewhere (and likely spend much more money, since most alternatives require that). It's also possible that they could take a good chunk of that brand cachet with them.

rosino

1,346 posts

172 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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Finally PH bothers to publish something about this Fiasco other than Porsche-fed-press-releases..

j_s14a

863 posts

178 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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Another case of British buyers being shafted by car manufacturers.

chelme

1,353 posts

170 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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Goofnik said:
Porsche having problems with a car will always be a problem. However, Porsche having catastrophic failures in a GT3 should be considered a nightmare scenario, and they should be acting accordingly.

Porsche owes a lot of its brand value to its die hard enthusiasts who repeatedly spend gobs of money on its highest end sports cars. These are the folks who have influenced your typical 59 year old (median 911 buyer age, at least in the USA) as to why they should buy that base Carrera. Though there's not a lot of competition in the price range the 911 occupies, if you piss these folks off enough, they'll go elsewhere (and likely spend much more money, since most alternatives require that). It's also possible that they could take a good chunk of that brand cachet with them.
Indeed, and with this going on, Mercedes Jaguar and Maserati brands cannot be coming forward with real alternatives soon enough. If I were any one of these poor chaps, I'd demand my money back altogether and take my custom elsewhere...

MikeG88

148 posts

133 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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Id be pretty pissed tbh! I hope the RS owners dont have such a nightmare with theirs.

rohrl

8,737 posts

145 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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Offering different levels of compo to customers in different markets was an unwise decision which was bound to annoy those who are getting the lesser amounts. I can't for the life of me think why anyone considered that a good idea.

Pistachio

1,116 posts

190 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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http://www.wcoty.com/web/media_release.asp?release...
So the 911 GT3 was voted performance car of the world recently as well must rub salt into already festering wounds!!!

TommyBuoy

1,269 posts

167 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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As the article says, pretty stupid not treating all customers equal.....

chelme

1,353 posts

170 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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rosino said:
Finally PH bothers to publish something about this Fiasco other than Porsche-fed-press-releases..
They must have an agreement with Porsche NOT to publish, unless someone else i.e Jalopnik, has...I would not be surprised one bit if PH WAS sponsored by VAG/Porsche...


Edited by chelme on Thursday 24th April 16:47

mike-r

1,539 posts

191 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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Ironically British owners will have paid more for their car to begin with. The mind does boggle.

cayman-black

12,642 posts

216 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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The more i hear read about Porsche the more i dislike the marque.

Dave Hedgehog

14,549 posts

204 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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cayman-black said:
The more i hear read about Porsche the more i dislike the marque.
they do appear to have appalling CS for a company whose customers spend huge amounts of money

the poor chap whose 911 faults went viral spring to mind

Impasse

15,099 posts

241 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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But, but the glovebox and the cupholders...

4a4

213 posts

135 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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Impasse said:
But, but the glovebox and the cupholders...
HAHAH GOOD!

Oddball RS

1,757 posts

218 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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Porsche and in particular Porsche GB caught with its fingers in the till again, you need to start treating your customers correctly.

Guvernator

13,151 posts

165 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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Seriously problems with the current GT3 engine, problems with the previous 997 and 996 era cars too. Are Porsche not capable of making a decent, well engineered engine anymore? Why the hell is this kind of stuff not picked up during the thousands of hours of bench and real world testing that they surely perform?

Not to go all beard like but these things never used to occur during the air-cooled era, probably goes some way to explaining why those cars prices are skyrocketing while the water cooled ones are almost becoming bargain basement.

I always used to admire Porsche as I used to associate them with outstanding engineering quality. Sure a lot of the time they might not be as exciting to look at as their Italian counterparts but this was always countered by the fact that they seemed to be hewn from granite in comparison but not anymore. There practically isn't a 911 made in the last 15 years which doesn't have some sort of well known engine issue which has all too often put me off dipping my toe in, a very worrying trend IMO.

tadaah

214 posts

211 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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Agreed. Continuing to effectively dine out on the loyalty of your customers is a ridiculously short sighted attitude for a premium brand

Totally inexcusable and borderline arrogant (and I'm a Porsche owner).

Brother D

3,719 posts

176 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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Quite simply vote with your feet. It's very surprising UK customers will not be compensated. Other model porsche owners should take note.

chelme

1,353 posts

170 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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Guvernator said:
Seriously problems with the current GT3 engine, problems with the previous 997 and 996 era cars too. Are Porsche not capable of making a decent, well engineered engine anymore? Why the hell is this kind of stuff not picked up during the thousands of hours of bench and real world testing that they surely perform?

Not to go all beard like but these things never used to occur during the air-cooled era, probably goes some way to explaining why those cars prices are skyrocketing while the water cooled ones are almost becoming bargain basement.

I always used to admire Porsche as I used to associate them with outstanding engineering quality. Sure a lot of the time they might not be as exciting to look at as their Italian counterparts but this was always countered by the fact that they seemed to be hewn from granite in comparison but not anymore. There practically isn't a 911 made in the last 15 years which doesn't have some sort of well known engine issue which has all too often put me off dipping my toe in, a very worrying trend IMO.
And what amazes me more is the stench of the Press singing high praises for this manufacturer regardless.

Eleven

26,271 posts

222 months

Thursday 24th April 2014
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cayman-black said:
The more i hear read about Porsche the more i dislike the marque.
And you already seemed remarkably anti-Porsche for someone with your username. Why don't you change it in solidarity with our GT3 brothers?