The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 8]
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Looks like Coates had a good stint last night: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJy8lJNNxF8 He impressed me in one of the pre-season friendlies. Still think he could be a great centre back for us.
Also, Markovic vs Olympiacos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VApYwMQbpNk
Also, Markovic vs Olympiacos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VApYwMQbpNk
RedTrident said:
I wish it was. And BR claiming he's prepared to wait till January to bring the right striker in after the Remy deal collapsed. I don't know what's worse, trying to buy out a team that finished below us or behaving as though only mid table players, potential and last chance to shine misfits are those that will only come to us.
If we don't sign a quality striker and left back then FSG have been found out imo. Oh its admirable a team living within its means, but our means this window was at least the Champions League income, the new TV money and probably over 100 million in sales. So far our spend is c90 million. There's no point spending in January if we're sat 8th and out of the Champions League.
I didn't mind the interviews stating that we won't miss Suarez and won't pay silly money for people as that is just PR - they were hardly going to say without Suarez we're doomed and that we'll pay silly money for anybody. If we don't sign a quality striker and left back then FSG have been found out imo. Oh its admirable a team living within its means, but our means this window was at least the Champions League income, the new TV money and probably over 100 million in sales. So far our spend is c90 million. There's no point spending in January if we're sat 8th and out of the Champions League.
However if, and it is a big if, there is any truth in the Borini story then Raja is correct - £8m is small fry for a striker with champions league money, extra tv money and £75m from Suarez. Even if we do need to offload Borini, Assaidi, Reina etc to fund it get the striker in first then worry about that -£8m won't break Liverpool.
I was never sure we'd go all out to buy a big name when Sanchez fell through as there aren't that many reasonable targets but some of the other decisions seem strange.
Hoping I'm wrong and Remy did fail a medical but we're definitely not going to go above zero net spend despite our extra funds coming in. Looking at Arsenal and a few other signings coming in to our rivals I'd be worried about guaranteeing top 4.
Though I do like the look of our attacking options to get goals from other positions other than just SAS.
LB and FW and we are in with a real shout this year....
Love seeing a run on the Markovic vid with Henderson, Cann and Markovic all bombing forward at pace...not many teams will be able to cope with some of the explosive players we have....
Also made me think back to the world cup and how they got it all wrong with Henderson, not once did I see him bomb forward
Love seeing a run on the Markovic vid with Henderson, Cann and Markovic all bombing forward at pace...not many teams will be able to cope with some of the explosive players we have....
Also made me think back to the world cup and how they got it all wrong with Henderson, not once did I see him bomb forward
jammy_basturd said:
Looks like Coates had a good stint last night: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJy8lJNNxF8 He impressed me in one of the pre-season friendlies. Still think he could be a great centre back for us.
To slow for me the Prem.....will get found out a number of times...At least he's fit. I'd keep him as the 4th choice ahead of Toure or even sell him. Must be worth a few million. Agree with you on his lack of pace and whilst Hyppia was similar our style of play now just doesn't allow for slow centre backs. Is Lovren fast by the way? I've not really seen much of him.
I'm expecting to see a much better centre back display this season having spent just under 40 million on our 2 signings.
I'm expecting to see a much better centre back display this season having spent just under 40 million on our 2 signings.
m3sye said:
jammy_basturd said:
Looks like Coates had a good stint last night: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJy8lJNNxF8 He impressed me in one of the pre-season friendlies. Still think he could be a great centre back for us.
To slow for me the Prem.....will get found out a number of times...Mopey said:
I actually feel sorry for the saints, I hope we leave J-Rod their. We have between us and the arse been detrimental to a club that were a pleasure to watch last season. Much rather have clubs like Saints in the league than dross like Stoke & WBA
It is sad. Hopefully they invest the money into some good players. They must have about £80m from sold players.Woao! I know it can be hard, but they don't HAVE to sell all their players. Nor did they have to set the precedent by letting their manager trot off to Spurs.
At the end of the day their club is set up to nurture youth to sell at a profit, they've been doing it for years. This summer they've just been a victim of their own success.
At the end of the day their club is set up to nurture youth to sell at a profit, they've been doing it for years. This summer they've just been a victim of their own success.
BlackST said:
It is sad. Hopefully they invest the money into some good players. They must have about £80m from sold players.
Net spend of @£10m over last 3 seasons.@even over 4 seasons.
Liverpool Net spend of @100m over last 4 seasons
Spurs @£43m profit over same period....
Someone is doing well/badly, overachieving/underachieving - I just haven't worked out who yet based on last year's table
jammy_basturd said:
Woao! I know it can be hard, but they don't HAVE to sell all their players. Nor did they have to set the precedent by letting their manager trot off to Spurs.
At the end of the day their club is set up to nurture youth to sell at a profit, they've been doing it for years. This summer they've just been a victim of their own success.
We don't have much choice once your lot come over and dangle wads in front of their agents. Just goes to show you can't progress in the BPL.At the end of the day their club is set up to nurture youth to sell at a profit, they've been doing it for years. This summer they've just been a victim of their own success.
Lambert I'll give you. It's a lovely story, the guy bleeds for your club and he's massively underrated. I'm really pleased for him. AL - you'll have to widen your tunnels so he can get his head out onto the pitch, and as for Lovren. He's a massive one. You'll have to throw some flour on him to see where the wet bit is.
If players or the manager want to leave, there's not a fat lot you can do about it when you're a team our size, especially when a big (but not as big as they used to be) team come knocking and try to un-steady the ship. Yes we've been offloading youth for years, but you haven't taken our youth. You took a prolific 32yr old centre foward, a 26yr old winger and a 23yr (I think) old Croatian centre back. Chambers to a
hole, Shaw to Utd and Spiderman to wherever - that I can understand more. We've nurtured them over the years to get them where they are today. But Lallana's already 26 - how much better is he going to get? And Lovren? His head will be at Citeh next season I expect.Thing I can't get my head around is that basically you've plucked three players (as of 28/07/14) from a team who finished 8th last season. They weren't carrying our team, they were just part of it. How are you intending to compete with Citeh and Utd etc when you're buying players that strictly speaking should be slightly less effective than your current team? With the exception of Utd and Arsenal who are coming in for the up and coming youth to blend into their squads, you're just picking off the best we already had....which was worse than what you had to start with!
Yep, so..........I could ramble all day. Properly f
ked off.A Saints fan.
TEKNOPUG said:
Net spend of @£10m over last 3 seasons.
@even over 4 seasons.
Liverpool Net spend of @100m over last 4 seasons
Spurs @£43m profit over same period....
Someone is doing well/badly, overachieving/underachieving - I just haven't worked out who yet based on last year's table
Southampton overachieved considering where they've come from. @even over 4 seasons.
Liverpool Net spend of @100m over last 4 seasons
Spurs @£43m profit over same period....
Someone is doing well/badly, overachieving/underachieving - I just haven't worked out who yet based on last year's table
We have broken back into CL and finished 1pt off the title - par/over achieving.
Spuds - stuck in Eurjoka limbo after selling world's most expensive player and investing funds in crap. Par/going backwards/stagnant.
Am I doing this right?!
hornetrider said:
Southampton overachieved considering where they've come from.
We have broken back into CL and finished 1pt off the title - par/over achieving.
Spuds - stuck in Eurjoka limbo after selling world's most expensive player and investing funds in crap. Par/going backwards/stagnant.
Am I doing this right?!
Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps..... We have broken back into CL and finished 1pt off the title - par/over achieving.
Spuds - stuck in Eurjoka limbo after selling world's most expensive player and investing funds in crap. Par/going backwards/stagnant.
Am I doing this right?!
Kitchski said:
Thing I can't get my head around is that basically you've plucked three players (as of 28/07/14) from a team who finished 8th last season. They weren't carrying our team, they were just part of it. How are you intending to compete with Citeh and Utd etc when you're buying players that strictly speaking should be slightly less effective than your current team? With the exception of Utd and Arsenal who are coming in for the up and coming youth to blend into their squads, you're just picking off the best we already had....which was worse than what you had to start with!
Maybe you should calm down and look at things a bit more calmly.Lambert isn't going to be our first choice striker, probably not even out second choice striker. We didn't really have a third choice last season, so yes, he's better than what we had already - nor will we be relying on his goals to get us to compete with City and Chelsea!
Everyone knows our problems with defence. Lovren has been a stand out centre back, not just for Saints, but amongst the whole PL. He's better than what we've got!
As for Lallana, he'll be used in rotation with all our other midfielders depending on what tactics we need and who the opposition are. He's arguably no better than what we already have (depending on which of our midfielders you wish to compare him with), but he does provide that all important strength in depth.
Saying we can't compete because we're buying players from teams that finished below you is just a ridiculous statement.
If I was you I'd be venting my anger at your own board, they could quite have easily said to the big clubs, we'll sell 3, 4 players this summer and no more, so get your offers in early otherwise you'll miss out. But no, they've seen the cash dangled in front of them and they've took it.
jammy_basturd said:
Kitchski said:
Thing I can't get my head around is that basically you've plucked three players (as of 28/07/14) from a team who finished 8th last season. They weren't carrying our team, they were just part of it. How are you intending to compete with Citeh and Utd etc when you're buying players that strictly speaking should be slightly less effective than your current team? With the exception of Utd and Arsenal who are coming in for the up and coming youth to blend into their squads, you're just picking off the best we already had....which was worse than what you had to start with!
Maybe you should calm down and look at things a bit more calmly.Lambert isn't going to be our first choice striker, probably not even out second choice striker. We didn't really have a third choice last season, so yes, he's better than what we had already - nor will we be relying on his goals to get us to compete with City and Chelsea!
Everyone knows our problems with defence. Lovren has been a stand out centre back, not just for Saints, but amongst the whole PL. He's better than what we've got!
As for Lallana, he'll be used in rotation with all our other midfielders depending on what tactics we need and who the opposition are. He's arguably no better than what we already have (depending on which of our midfielders you wish to compare him with), but he does provide that all important strength in depth.
Saying we can't compete because we're buying players from teams that finished below you is just a ridiculous statement.
If I was you I'd be venting my anger at your own board, they could quite have easily said to the big clubs, we'll sell 3, 4 players this summer and no more, so get your offers in early otherwise you'll miss out. But no, they've seen the cash dangled in front of them and they've took it.
Just a bit bitter and disappointed, as would you be in the same scenario.I'm not saying you cannot compete because you've bought players from a team who finished further down the league than you did, and you're right - that would be ridiculous.
However, as a Liverpool fan you must surely be doubting that these guys will take you any further than you achieved last season, especially as you've lost the best striker in the Premiership?
DJRC said:
Once again with the...wtf is with the llama bashing??? Were you lot watching a different league to me last yr??? He is THE stand out buy for me.
He looks like he can change a game on MoTD! And on the odd occasion, he will. But game in, game out, your lad Sterling is way better!Kitchski said:
I'm not saying you cannot compete because you've bought players from a team who finished further down the league than you did, and you're right - that would be ridiculous.
However, as a Liverpool fan you must surely be doubting that these guys will take you any further than you achieved last season, especially as you've lost the best striker in the Premiership?
Well, you did imply that, but no matter.However, as a Liverpool fan you must surely be doubting that these guys will take you any further than you achieved last season, especially as you've lost the best striker in the Premiership?
Further than we achieved? You're right, that would mean winning the league, I doubt we can do that without Suarez now, but we do now have a big squad capable of fighting for top four again, as well as hopefully progressing in all competitions. Remember we had awful success in the cups last year too, so I'm fully expecting some semi-finals at least, and I'd like to think we'll at least get out of our group in the Champions League too.
But top four is the target again this season, which will be harder this season for two main reasons - one, other teams strengthening and two, the increased number of games we'll have to play. So a larger, more talented (overall) squad is more important than retaining the services of a player who'll only play three quarters of the season and was badly fatigued in the last 5 games of last season anyway.
DJRC said:
Once again with the...wtf is with the llama bashing??? Were you lot watching a different league to me last yr??? He is THE stand out buy for me.
No doubting his talent, but is he really the key to breaking down those teams that park the bus? Like Chelsea.Kitchski said:
I'm totally calm, thanks for your concern Just a bit bitter and disappointed, as would you be in the same scenario.
I'm not saying you cannot compete because you've bought players from a team who finished further down the league than you did, and you're right - that would be ridiculous.
However, as a Liverpool fan you must surely be doubting that these guys will take you any further than you achieved last season, especially as you've lost the best striker in the Premiership?
Your intital post does read a bit bitter and biased - did you slag off Lovren and Lalana as big heads when they were turning in MOTM performances last season? I do sympathise with your team though, you tried to hang on to Lovren it seems, but ultimately if players want to go there is little clubs can do other maximise the selling price. Just a bit bitter and disappointed, as would you be in the same scenario.I'm not saying you cannot compete because you've bought players from a team who finished further down the league than you did, and you're right - that would be ridiculous.
However, as a Liverpool fan you must surely be doubting that these guys will take you any further than you achieved last season, especially as you've lost the best striker in the Premiership?
If you offerend me a finish in the same place as last season, I'd bite your hand off right now!!
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