The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 8]
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I hate to say it but there are a lot of so called "fans" on here calling for Rodger's head far to quickly.
He is a brilliant manager, don't forget we didn't have Suarez for 10 games last season, Scored 20 and I think Balotelli will score 15-20 over the course of the season.
Our problem lies within our defence, with it being changed almost every week (often due to no fault of Rodger's). If we saved 10-15 of the goals last season by strengthening the defence (which is where Lovren comes in) then the Balotelli signing will be a good one.
Look at the players Rodger's has developed, Flanagan/Sterling etc. He is definitely the right man for the job long-term, and will just need a little time to gel the squad we have.
Have to agree with the comments RE Gerrard though, I think he is most definitely played on reputation these days, I think him sitting in between the center backs is a total waste of a player. I think Emre Can is a great natural replacement though.
He is a brilliant manager, don't forget we didn't have Suarez for 10 games last season, Scored 20 and I think Balotelli will score 15-20 over the course of the season.
Our problem lies within our defence, with it being changed almost every week (often due to no fault of Rodger's). If we saved 10-15 of the goals last season by strengthening the defence (which is where Lovren comes in) then the Balotelli signing will be a good one.
Look at the players Rodger's has developed, Flanagan/Sterling etc. He is definitely the right man for the job long-term, and will just need a little time to gel the squad we have.
Have to agree with the comments RE Gerrard though, I think he is most definitely played on reputation these days, I think him sitting in between the center backs is a total waste of a player. I think Emre Can is a great natural replacement though.
I think the one big mistake of Rodgers was not landing Costa last season. The £22.8m bid last season looks like a bargain, he may have also earned us the extra 3 points for the title. He didn't come simply because we weren't in the champions league. But looking how United, who are now in the same position with no CL football, still have attracted top stars, makes you wonder. Costa has the same hunger as Suarez and simply loves scoring and always gets himself into the right positions. Balotelli on the other hand looks lazy, at times disinterested, walks when he should be tracking back.
I genuinely fear for Liverpool this season. We don't look a shade on the team last season, there is no high tempo pressing, Gerrard at times looks like a fish out of water and a shadow of his former self. The defence has more holes than a teabag, there is too much reliance on a 19 year old Sterling. If people are waiting for Sturridge to come back and everything will be back to normal, it isn't going to happen. I can see us finishing 6th or 7th the way things are. We are still in need of players in the same positions as before the window opened; namely a goalkeeper, a central defender (Skrtel simply has to go) and a top, top striker. Gerrard needs to be retired and we need someone of Alonso's quality to replace him. From what I have seen of Can so far, he is simply average.
I genuinely fear for Liverpool this season. We don't look a shade on the team last season, there is no high tempo pressing, Gerrard at times looks like a fish out of water and a shadow of his former self. The defence has more holes than a teabag, there is too much reliance on a 19 year old Sterling. If people are waiting for Sturridge to come back and everything will be back to normal, it isn't going to happen. I can see us finishing 6th or 7th the way things are. We are still in need of players in the same positions as before the window opened; namely a goalkeeper, a central defender (Skrtel simply has to go) and a top, top striker. Gerrard needs to be retired and we need someone of Alonso's quality to replace him. From what I have seen of Can so far, he is simply average.
Its not BR's fault that Costa didn't come to Anfield. Clearly he wanted to go elsewhere.
As said above, BR is NOT a bad manager. His immediate reaction to our conceded goals yesterday showed he was every bit as disbelieving as we were. Clearly he's the one responsible for sorting it out, and needs to. Quickly.
As said above, BR is NOT a bad manager. His immediate reaction to our conceded goals yesterday showed he was every bit as disbelieving as we were. Clearly he's the one responsible for sorting it out, and needs to. Quickly.
Adam B said:
Scousefella said:
Sell big name striker - buy a big name striker - FFS Brenda show some f*cking logic!!!!!!
You make it sound so easy, why didn't BR think of that? Oh he did but we couldn't find one that wanted to comeAlthough Remy still annoys me and probably will do all season
Adam B said:
Scousefella said:
Sell big name striker - buy a big name striker - FFS Brenda show some f*cking logic!!!!!!
You make it sound so easy, why didn't BR think of that? Oh he did but we couldn't find one that wanted to comeAlthough Remy still annoys me and probably will do all season
I agree with the comments regarding Gerrard. What was he doing for the third goal? Similar for Ludogorets, far too easily bypassed. His positional play is erratic, he doesnt sense or react quickly to danger and has neither pace or stamina. While its sad to watch a great player decline it is also inevitable. The Manager needs to act for the best interests of the team and drop him. As for Rodgers, that "diamond" chosen yesterday was bound to fail. Henderson left? Lucas right? Square pegs and all that...
stoneb09 said:
I hate to say it but there are a lot of so called "fans" on here calling for Rodger's head far to quickly.
He is a brilliant manager, don't forget we didn't have Suarez for 10 games last season, Scored 20 and I think Balotelli will score 15-20 over the course of the season.
Our problem lies within our defence, with it being changed almost every week (often due to no fault of Rodger's). If we saved 10-15 of the goals last season by strengthening the defence (which is where Lovren comes in) then the Balotelli signing will be a good one.
Look at the players Rodger's has developed, Flanagan/Sterling etc. He is definitely the right man for the job long-term, and will just need a little time to gel the squad we have.
Have to agree with the comments RE Gerrard though, I think he is most definitely played on reputation these days, I think him sitting in between the center backs is a total waste of a player. I think Emre Can is a great natural replacement though.
Great post, agree completely.He is a brilliant manager, don't forget we didn't have Suarez for 10 games last season, Scored 20 and I think Balotelli will score 15-20 over the course of the season.
Our problem lies within our defence, with it being changed almost every week (often due to no fault of Rodger's). If we saved 10-15 of the goals last season by strengthening the defence (which is where Lovren comes in) then the Balotelli signing will be a good one.
Look at the players Rodger's has developed, Flanagan/Sterling etc. He is definitely the right man for the job long-term, and will just need a little time to gel the squad we have.
Have to agree with the comments RE Gerrard though, I think he is most definitely played on reputation these days, I think him sitting in between the center backs is a total waste of a player. I think Emre Can is a great natural replacement though.
The Gerrard issue needs addressing ASAP, all his best football at Liverpool has been as an attacking CM, NOT as a CDM.
He is now a luxury we can't afford in his present position.
Losing 3-1 at Upton Park is just part of playing in the PL. La Liga it ain't, and we have no right to expect to beat anyone.
As for calling for BR's head, who saw that coming
No one is calling for Brens head or teeth, he thought Lovren was the missing defender and seems we need more than just that - the loan right back looks light, the left back a great winger. A better DM would help,we have a poor one or an ill one if you believe some mutterings.
We knew we wound score less goals but hoped conceding less would be the answer - it's actually worse. The int break and plethora of games will test Bren to the limit and I feel for him but believe he is the man.
However I have issue with his entourage who when needed seem as useful as a chocolate fire guard.
We knew we wound score less goals but hoped conceding less would be the answer - it's actually worse. The int break and plethora of games will test Bren to the limit and I feel for him but believe he is the man.
However I have issue with his entourage who when needed seem as useful as a chocolate fire guard.
Hardly a surprise that an Allardyce team were hoofing in long balls from the first minute and then kicking lumps out of anything that looked dangerous afterwards.
Prior to last season these were the teams we struggled most against, then last year we were just too good for them. We seem to have regressed a bit this year, at least for now. Confidence is a huge factor, we haven't turned into a bad team overnight but confidence is low and it's showing.
Last year we had one player that everyone believed would pull us through anything and he generated a ton of belief in those around him - time for others to start stepping up now.
I was very surprised at the starting midfield yesterday. I thought Lallana had a good game against Villa before he came off and I would have liked him to start against West Ham. I also think we need to start Markovic for a few games to give him a chance. It seems that BR was expecting the physical game yesterday so picked a "strong" team but our magic bullet against these teams last year wasn't that we started players who could take a kicking, it was that our skilful players played them off the park.
I also agree that we need Sturridge back. He and Suarez scored 55 goals between them last season, and their movement created countless chances for others. We can't just take those stats away completely and not expect an impact.
We've been through a lot of change over the summer and it is going to take time. We're stuttering a bit but have shown how well we can play (the Spurs game, although that was against mediocre opposition
). The majority of our signings have proved themselves to be quality players elsewhere and will come good. They'll also get the chance to play this year as the games will come thick and fast...
Prior to last season these were the teams we struggled most against, then last year we were just too good for them. We seem to have regressed a bit this year, at least for now. Confidence is a huge factor, we haven't turned into a bad team overnight but confidence is low and it's showing.
Last year we had one player that everyone believed would pull us through anything and he generated a ton of belief in those around him - time for others to start stepping up now.
I was very surprised at the starting midfield yesterday. I thought Lallana had a good game against Villa before he came off and I would have liked him to start against West Ham. I also think we need to start Markovic for a few games to give him a chance. It seems that BR was expecting the physical game yesterday so picked a "strong" team but our magic bullet against these teams last year wasn't that we started players who could take a kicking, it was that our skilful players played them off the park.
I also agree that we need Sturridge back. He and Suarez scored 55 goals between them last season, and their movement created countless chances for others. We can't just take those stats away completely and not expect an impact.
We've been through a lot of change over the summer and it is going to take time. We're stuttering a bit but have shown how well we can play (the Spurs game, although that was against mediocre opposition
). The majority of our signings have proved themselves to be quality players elsewhere and will come good. They'll also get the chance to play this year as the games will come thick and fast...I'm sure the majority of our players have proved themselves elsewhere. That's why it comes to the manager. Is anyone really going to suggest that our manager has any clue of how to set up a defence?
The problem this year is that without Suarez there is just not enough spark and creativity in attack, particularly when you play our most potent attacking player as a wing back.
I'm sure we'll improve but I have no faith on this manager delivering anything other than a mid table finish. That's all he will ever be. Last season was all about Suarez.
As for Gerrard, those stats should mean he is dropped but we all know he won't be. It's not his fault he gets picked ever game. He's crap at that defensive role, we just find it hard to admit. I'd rather see him have an explosive impact for 20 minutes every game than the liability on the pitch he is now for 90.
The problem this year is that without Suarez there is just not enough spark and creativity in attack, particularly when you play our most potent attacking player as a wing back.
I'm sure we'll improve but I have no faith on this manager delivering anything other than a mid table finish. That's all he will ever be. Last season was all about Suarez.
As for Gerrard, those stats should mean he is dropped but we all know he won't be. It's not his fault he gets picked ever game. He's crap at that defensive role, we just find it hard to admit. I'd rather see him have an explosive impact for 20 minutes every game than the liability on the pitch he is now for 90.
Rather large dose of hindsight being used here.
Big name striker signing? I thought that's what Balo was supposed to be? No point in looking towards Costa or Falcao now! No one was talking about Costa a few weeks ago when we were looking at Cavani, Balo, Eto'o or Falcao! The problem is with big name signings they could easily go the way of Shevchenko, Torres (to Chelsea), Forlan (to Utd). It's still too early to say whether Falcao will be a success or not.
Anyone remember BR's first season in charge - we had an awful start to the season whilst he experimented with different formations and players/positions. We're just going through that same transition now, unfortunately. BR took a good couple of months to work out how to get the best out of the players at his disposal, including but not limited to Suarez.
Now we have Balo and Sturridge and it's going to take a while to work out how to get the best out of all the new players too.
Saying last season was all down to Suarez just displays a huge amount of ignorance.
Big name striker signing? I thought that's what Balo was supposed to be? No point in looking towards Costa or Falcao now! No one was talking about Costa a few weeks ago when we were looking at Cavani, Balo, Eto'o or Falcao! The problem is with big name signings they could easily go the way of Shevchenko, Torres (to Chelsea), Forlan (to Utd). It's still too early to say whether Falcao will be a success or not.
Anyone remember BR's first season in charge - we had an awful start to the season whilst he experimented with different formations and players/positions. We're just going through that same transition now, unfortunately. BR took a good couple of months to work out how to get the best out of the players at his disposal, including but not limited to Suarez.
Now we have Balo and Sturridge and it's going to take a while to work out how to get the best out of all the new players too.
Saying last season was all down to Suarez just displays a huge amount of ignorance.
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