How deal with a lame dog that just won't stop running.

[anonymous-user]

Jasandjules said:

Are you on facebook? If so, search for Raw and several UK sites will come up. They tend to have "sticky" type things too to read up.

Also a website called the Dog's Dinner http://dogsdinner2.webs.com/

Thanks - that looks very interesting.

[Pesty]

Update.

We kept Logan only very little exercise for a month no running. His limp was almost gone but then came back worse still with no running just walking, So we took him back for X-rays.

They showed me the film and you could see the gap in the joint on one shoulder was narrower than on the other.

The vet diagnosed suspected fractured coronoid process. Basically he's had a fracture and where it's healed more bone has grown.

Told me to give him maximum 10 minutes a day on lead for another month. He gave me some glucosomene tablets I told them I was already giving him that and green lipped muscle but because apparently tests have shown ones that we buy not from vets don't contain any . I'd better let youmove know. Hhhmmmm left a bad feeling that they were just trying to get money out of me. But I just want my boy better so bought it anyway,

What I don't understand is how glucosamine will make the extra bone growth go away? It may be that he needs an operation.

Also he really scared me because when he had Logan walk up and down he said he wasn't interested in his limp there was so etching wrong with his hips. After a day if stting myself it turned out his hips were perfect it's just he has so much muscle back there it restricts his movement.

So another really frustrating months for my boy. Who was having 2 to 3 hours a day if exercise now down to ten minutes. It's horrible. He us very frustrated. He's a very active dog and is not liking doing nothing.

As we were planning on having his hips and elbows scored anyway it made sense to do that at the same time so those have been sent away to the kennel club.

[bexVN]

Please consider getting him referred to a good physio/ hydro centre, or rehab centre (Google chapple farm Pensford, for an example of a good rehab centre)

They can provide so much help with repairing the joint and preventing muscle wastage etc and pain relief with massage/ therapies/ ultrasound etc.

It's such a shame the vets didn't xray him a month ago .

I hope he can get back to normal exercise soon.

[Jasandjules]

Pesty said:

The vet diagnosed suspected fractured coronoid process. Basically he's had a fracture and where it's healed more bone has grown.

I suspect you need to get him some hydrotherapy. Call one who does the physio as well as the swimming, see what they say. 5 mins of that will knacker him too.

[Pesty]

bexVN said:

Please consider getting him referred to a good physio/ hydro centre,

It's such a shame the vets didn't xray him a month ago .

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Will do.

And I did wonder that. Two visits to two different vet practices both said just don't excercise him for a month. Money was nt a problem he's insured.( having said that I had to stump up the 380 because they said they couldn't seperate out the hip and elbow x rays from the limp x rats )

To be fair his limp would come and go and both gave him thorough examinations and could find nothing.

[bexVN]

Pesty said:

bexVN said:

Please consider getting him referred to a good physio/ hydro centre,

It's such a shame the vets didn't xray him a month ago .

.

Will do.

And I did wonder that. Two visits to two different vet practices both said just don't excercise him for a month. Money was nt a problem he's insured.( having said that I had to stump up the 380 because they said they couldn't seperate out the hip and elbow x rays from the limp x rats )

To be fair his limp would come and go and both gave him thorough examinations and could find nothing.

Tbh for the vets I work with that'd been all the more reason to xray, esp in a young dog but the good thing is you have a reason for his lameness and you can start working towards getting it sorted properly

I would question the insurance, you should be able to split the coatings somehow, esp if the fracture does continue to be an issue and you continually have to pay, even previous appointments for it can be claimed for. the bva scores could be charged as an add on cost and the ga and xrays for diagnosis booked as another fee, this could then be claimed for along with consult costs, meds and poss further treatment s. You would need to pay an excess of course. Complementary treatments (such as hydro) may also be covered but you may need to pay a 2nd excess and they may only pay a certain amount or for so many sessions, it depends on who you're with and their policy cover. Personally I would question their refusal to split it (as I know we can and do, legitimately)

Edited by bexVN on Wednesday 2nd July 13:33

[StuntmanMike]

Jasandjules said:

Pesty said:

The vet diagnosed suspected fractured coronoid process. Basically he's had a fracture and where it's healed more bone has grown.

I suspect you need to get him some hydrotherapy. Call one who does the physio as well as the swimming, see what they say. 5 mins of that will knacker him too.

Our dog has this three times a week and loves it, he too is a puppy that wants to play all the time, as a point of interest when our dog saw the specialist, he completely disagreed with our vet, so it may be worth a second opinion.

[bexVN]

StuntmanMike said:

Jasandjules said:

Pesty said:

The vet diagnosed suspected fractured coronoid process. Basically he's had a fracture and where it's healed more bone has grown.

I suspect you need to get him some hydrotherapy. Call one who does the physio as well as the swimming, see what they say. 5 mins of that will knacker him too.

Our dog has this three times a week and loves it, he too is a puppy that wants to play all the time, as a point of interest when our dog saw the specialist, he completely disagreed with our vet, so it may be worth a second opinion.

Good point, I meant to ask if they referred the xray to an orthopaedic specialist to assess.

[Pesty]

Update.

after a few weeks of being very good his limp has started to come back. We have just seen different vet with more experience he has looked at the x rays and can see no bone growth or abnormalities at all.

the limp can be not there one day and really bad the next. seems completely random i.e not after a walk.

He suspects (this may not be exact) muscle or tendon has been torn from the bone and this is causing irritation. He says its very common and steroid injections usually fix permanently ( in most cases).

however he wants to take more x rays after injecting joint with die ( why didn't they do this when they took last x rays?)

oh his hip scores came back 4 and 7 not sure how good that is but they never did the elbows that we asked and paid for. Doh

[bexVN]

To be fair injecting a joint with dye is not a procedure I've ever seen done and we are quite thorough in our procedures. It sounds a bit more specialised to me

Either way I hope it gets some more answers for you all!

[Jasandjules]

Pesty said:

oh his hip scores came back 4 and 7 not sure how good that is but they never did the elbows that we asked and paid for. Doh

4 and 7 sound ok to me. What is the breed average?

[anonymous-user]

I used to have a dog that would put a limp on to get a stroke - could he be doing that?!

(it stemmed from having a genuine limp as a pup and getting lots of fuss - he would do it 12/13 years later!)

[Pesty]

Jasandjules said:

4 and 7 sound ok to me. What is the breed average?

The vet said he was under average. I don't know how it works info I can find is 10 don't know if you add each score together or each score should be under ten.

desolate said:

I used to have a dog that would put a limp on to get a stroke - could he be doing that?!

(it stemmed from having a genuine limp as a pup and getting lots of fuss - he would do it 12/13 years later!)

pretty sure he isn't putting it on.

[Hooli]

You've let him watch Mad Max haven't you? he wants a squeezy metal brace on the joint

[Pesty]

Well he's taken more x rays and changed his diagnosis to cartlidge flap.

He's being referred for keyhole surgery just waiting for a date.

To say I'm distraut in an understatement .

[Pesty]

Right the orthopaedic specialist we were referred to today took a ct scan of Logan.

Basically he can't see anything wrong with any joints. Shoulders fine no cartilage flap ( OCD)

Only one thing he said was a possible was some slight incongruity on one knee joint. He showed us the ct scan. X rests show knees to be perfect and he will get a great score.

He might have pulled a muscle running around daft.

So good news no operation.

Bad news mire weeks of 5 minute exercise a day

Edited by Pesty on Friday 22 August 21:46

[bexVN]

He's proving to be a bit of a challenge to them isn't he!

I really hope things get back to normal soon. Have to say the advice of 5 mins exercise seems a bit poor.

[Pesty]

bexVN said:

He's proving to be a bit of a challenge to them isn't he!

I really hope things get back to normal soon. Have to say the advice of 5 mins exercise seems a bit poor.

It's killing him. He is by nature a very active dog. And very frustrating for us I just want to see him happy running around again with his mates. I can also tell the lack if socialisation is affecting his behaviour towards dogs. Probably because we are not letting him go and play

I must admit I liked this guys methods and I liked the fact from the start he said these things can be difficult and he may not be able to give us an answer.

He was going to do a ct scan then laparoscopy. But after the ct scan he decided not to go ahead with the operation.

Oh one more thing the last vet he saw said definitely left shoulder and we had two choices. Laparoscopy or he could operate there.

Thank fk we didn't get it done there the specialist confirmed it was right side he was limping on!! His best guess is right knee. But he isn't even sure of that.

Also he was at this vets all day and I am off. It's the longest he has been out of my sight it was horrible eating and not being pestered and the postman came and he wasn't there to run to the door. I'd be ost if anything happened to my boy.

I'm hoping it isn't a chronic muscle tear, rotor cuff type thing. That is worst case. Knees can be improve rotor cuff would be life ling but he dud say he really doesn't think it's anything to do with his shoulders.

[Pesty]

Oh and everybody out there.
Get insurance would have been over 4k just today if he'd done the laparoscopy too.

[Pesty]

Jasandjules said:

4 and 7 sound ok to me. What is the breed average?

Breed average is 13 so he's below.

Hooli said:

You've let him watch Mad Max haven't you? he wants a squeezy metal brace on the joint

I've got a dodgy knee too. We could get a matching pair. Had to stop myself buying that interceptor that was on here a while ago.

Edited by Pesty on Friday 22 August 21:49