Hillclimb/Sprint Regs for A2/Standard Road Class
Discussion
Just picked up a clio 172 cup for a cheap weekend car.
Interested in doing Hillclimbs/Sprints - (tried registering on local hillclimb forum but they dont seem interested in authorising the email account!) and entering under the A2 rules which is standard road class.
I've read an old blue book and I'm just needing clarification in suspension and brakes as the car needs new brakes all round.
It states suspension configuration must remain standard so I assume you can't change top mounts or have uprated shocks and springs?
Doesnt state anything about brakes so I assume the disc and pad size have to be the same size but you can use upgraded discs and pads?
Any other helpful hints, tips or information would be appreciated too!
Thanks
Michael
Interested in doing Hillclimbs/Sprints - (tried registering on local hillclimb forum but they dont seem interested in authorising the email account!) and entering under the A2 rules which is standard road class.
I've read an old blue book and I'm just needing clarification in suspension and brakes as the car needs new brakes all round.
It states suspension configuration must remain standard so I assume you can't change top mounts or have uprated shocks and springs?
Doesnt state anything about brakes so I assume the disc and pad size have to be the same size but you can use upgraded discs and pads?
Any other helpful hints, tips or information would be appreciated too!
Thanks
Michael
Yep down South the only mods in A1 or A2 are pad material, exhaust free back from the standard manifold which must be retained, and you can fit a K &N type panel filter but no induction kits. You can change the steering wheel and drivers seat , lighter wheels and List 1a tyres. That is about it apart from safety items like a roll cage which is optional of course.
In the MSA blue book it states standard cars can use fibreglass bonnets and boots, and remove carpets but local regs here over rule that, on the grounds of keeping costs down.
In the MSA blue book it states standard cars can use fibreglass bonnets and boots, and remove carpets but local regs here over rule that, on the grounds of keeping costs down.
Are you based in Scotland and interested in the following:
http://www.scottish-hillclimbing.co.uk/
If so, the regs for road going cars are as per Section S10 and S11 of the current Blue Book, found here:
http://www.msauk.org/uploadedfiles/msa_forms/blueb...
If you read Section 11.7, there's quite a lot of potential for suspension mods. As for brakes, apart from not being able to adjust from within the car, they're basically free.
If in any doubt, I'd contact the series co-ordindator direct. They should be very helpful.
http://www.scottish-hillclimbing.co.uk/
If so, the regs for road going cars are as per Section S10 and S11 of the current Blue Book, found here:
http://www.msauk.org/uploadedfiles/msa_forms/blueb...
If you read Section 11.7, there's quite a lot of potential for suspension mods. As for brakes, apart from not being able to adjust from within the car, they're basically free.
If in any doubt, I'd contact the series co-ordindator direct. They should be very helpful.
A2 you can run upgraded suspension and change the top mounts; standard configuration simply means you need to retain the stock McPherson set up. If you read on it will tell you that ride heights and adjustable dampers are allowed.
There's actually an awful lot you can do to prep a car in roadgoing production classes, and a look over the front running cars will give you an insight in to just how much!.. But obstensively the cars must remain as a road going car, i.e. The interior (except carpets) are to remain as are heaters and other standard fit equipment.
'Standard production' classes only allow you to change dampers and brake pads normally, but take up for these classes is normally poor so often the class will get amalgamated with roadgoing production anyway. Standard production isn't actually listed in the blue book and is only offered by certain clubs anyway.
Read the book and mod away!
Edit: Standard production 1400 - 2000cc where offered is designated as class S2 and not A2.
There's actually an awful lot you can do to prep a car in roadgoing production classes, and a look over the front running cars will give you an insight in to just how much!.. But obstensively the cars must remain as a road going car, i.e. The interior (except carpets) are to remain as are heaters and other standard fit equipment.
'Standard production' classes only allow you to change dampers and brake pads normally, but take up for these classes is normally poor so often the class will get amalgamated with roadgoing production anyway. Standard production isn't actually listed in the blue book and is only offered by certain clubs anyway.
Read the book and mod away!
Edit: Standard production 1400 - 2000cc where offered is designated as class S2 and not A2.
Edited by Richair on Saturday 31st May 23:02
Richair said:
Edit: Standard production 1400 - 2000cc where offered is designated as class S2 and not A2.
Not down this way. See the entry list for the Abingdon CARnival for example http://www.abingdoncarnival.com/AbingdonCARnival/C...A1 is standard cars up to 1600cc
A2 is standard cars 1600-200cc
A3 is roadgoing up to 1400cc
A4 is roadgoing 1400-2000cc
Your assertions about what would be allowed apply to A4 in this case. Uprated suspension (even non-adjustable) is not allowed in A2.
Good choice of car, there are a couple of 172 Cups that compete regularly in A2 in the Scottish sprint and hillclimb championships. With regards modifications, uprated discs and pads are fine, as are springs and dampers, but I believe top mounts can't be changed for roadgoing classes. You're allowed to ditch carpets but need to retain the rest of the interior, i.e. back seat, full dashboard etc.
I started off a couple of years ago in A2 with a near-standard Clio 182, had a lot of fun with it - A2 is a great little class. I'm guessing you're trying to register on Flatchat?
Jamie
I started off a couple of years ago in A2 with a near-standard Clio 182, had a lot of fun with it - A2 is a great little class. I'm guessing you're trying to register on Flatchat?
Jamie
Yes, both of the 172 Cups are running on 15" wheels. That's what I used as well - you'll find that list 1b tyres (semi slicks) are a lot cheaper in 15", and I personally thought the car seemed to accelerate a bit more easily with them on when compared with the 16s I used on the road.
There are a couple of hillclimbs this month at Doune and Forrestburn, so if you're not ready by then it'd be worth popping along to have a chat to some of the guys in A2, they're a friendly bunch
There are a couple of hillclimbs this month at Doune and Forrestburn, so if you're not ready by then it'd be worth popping along to have a chat to some of the guys in A2, they're a friendly bunch
Always use the lightest wheels that you can - light almost always equates to small.
The difference is massive and easily demonstrated to yourself. Spin a small cycle wheel between your arms, as though they were forks, like you did as a child, and try to 'steer' the wheel. You'll notice that it doesn't want to turn.
Now repeat using a larger wheel. You'll always be looking for the smallest possible wheel from then on...
The difference is massive and easily demonstrated to yourself. Spin a small cycle wheel between your arms, as though they were forks, like you did as a child, and try to 'steer' the wheel. You'll notice that it doesn't want to turn.
Now repeat using a larger wheel. You'll always be looking for the smallest possible wheel from then on...
jenksndubs said:
Yes it will be a few Scottish rounds I'd like to have a shot of and it is flat chat I'm trying to register with, sent an email 2 days ago and still no luck!
PM me, who'd you email ? Nothing here 
Also which IP did you register from. If it's identified as a "honey pot" then it wont be permitted.
Sorry. PM me
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