"What has happened to our police force?"
Discussion
bad company said:
The rot set in before Cameron got into power. Never mind tho, according to mph1977 everything is just fine with plod.
There has always been Political interference. What there hasn't been is a Government that has a policy of cutting budgets to make a Force unsustainable. All you get for less is less. The incompetent Theresa May once stated we should 'deal with crime, nothing more, nothing less'. Never a more clueless statement was ever uttered. Perhaps she is unaware of RTCs, mental health, missing persons, concern for welfares etc etc.
t.Rovinghawk said:
If you ask any of the serving or ex BiB here they'll tell you how good they are. They regularly do.
How much more evidence do you need?
Well as soon as either singlecoil, or snowboy come along and tell us how it is - then who are we, as mere mortals to beg to differ?....of sorry, you said serving, or ex BiB....how silly of me....How much more evidence do you need?
bad company said:
It's not rubbish just because it did not match your experience. Fortunately I have not needed to call 999 for some time so I hope that would be ok.
Why do you assume that the loss of a pedal cycle is likely to be negligent?
My experiences years ago related to vandalism and the local police seemed to know who was likely to be responsible and they dealt with it. Alas that is no longer the case.
How many years ago, out of interest?Why do you assume that the loss of a pedal cycle is likely to be negligent?
My experiences years ago related to vandalism and the local police seemed to know who was likely to be responsible and they dealt with it. Alas that is no longer the case.
XCP said:
bad company said:
It's not rubbish just because it did not match your experience. Fortunately I have not needed to call 999 for some time so I hope that would be ok.
Why do you assume that the loss of a pedal cycle is likely to be negligent?
My experiences years ago related to vandalism and the local police seemed to know who was likely to be responsible and they dealt with it. Alas that is no longer the case.
How many years ago, out of interest?Why do you assume that the loss of a pedal cycle is likely to be negligent?
My experiences years ago related to vandalism and the local police seemed to know who was likely to be responsible and they dealt with it. Alas that is no longer the case.
What would happen if I reported such crimes now?
bad company said:
XCP said:
bad company said:
It's not rubbish just because it did not match your experience. Fortunately I have not needed to call 999 for some time so I hope that would be ok.
Why do you assume that the loss of a pedal cycle is likely to be negligent?
My experiences years ago related to vandalism and the local police seemed to know who was likely to be responsible and they dealt with it. Alas that is no longer the case.
How many years ago, out of interest?Why do you assume that the loss of a pedal cycle is likely to be negligent?
My experiences years ago related to vandalism and the local police seemed to know who was likely to be responsible and they dealt with it. Alas that is no longer the case.
What would happen if I reported such crimes now?
part of the reason for complaints from response officers is that community / neighbour hood teams have been expanded in many places plus of course jointly managed with council Antiscoal behaviour etc. these officers are percieved by some response officers not to attend response work - where in fact in many areas they do because the calls are filtered off long before it gets anywhere near response.
Police Stations (and Ambulances Stations) are a bit of an anachronism in this day and age.
The main different between 15 years ago and now is that front counters have been closed becasue they provide poor value for money if staffed by Police staff /PCSO and really Poor value value for money if staffed by a PC. with the far smaller volumesof HO/RT1s generated these days the reason most people ever went toa front counter has disappeared.
mph1977 said:
Neighbourhood beat officer / local PCSO attends at mutually agreed time , good chance of those involed being found.
part of the reason for complaints from response officers is that community / neighbour hood teams have been expanded in many places plus of course jointly managed with council Antiscoal behaviour etc. these officers are percieved by some response officers not to attend response work - where in fact in many areas they do because the calls are filtered off long before it gets anywhere near response.
Police Stations (and Ambulances Stations) are a bit of an anachronism in this day and age.
The main different between 15 years ago and now is that front counters have been closed becasue they provide poor value for money if staffed by Police staff /PCSO and really Poor value value for money if staffed by a PC. with the far smaller volumesof HO/RT1s generated these days the reason most people ever went toa front counter has disappeared.
I can't recall when I last saw a beat officer or PCSO on patrol. We had another act of vandalism a few weeks ago (broken window). Yes the police did send an officer 3 days later and she visited neighbours to ask if anybody had seen anything. BUT she did not know the village or its people very well so really had little chance or indeed interest in getting a result. part of the reason for complaints from response officers is that community / neighbour hood teams have been expanded in many places plus of course jointly managed with council Antiscoal behaviour etc. these officers are percieved by some response officers not to attend response work - where in fact in many areas they do because the calls are filtered off long before it gets anywhere near response.
Police Stations (and Ambulances Stations) are a bit of an anachronism in this day and age.
The main different between 15 years ago and now is that front counters have been closed becasue they provide poor value for money if staffed by Police staff /PCSO and really Poor value value for money if staffed by a PC. with the far smaller volumesof HO/RT1s generated these days the reason most people ever went toa front counter has disappeared.
It's a shame that front counters have been closed but I don't think that is the root of the problem.
No, the root of the problem is the police have millions more annual calls to deal with since mobile phones became widely available. Not only this but technology has further created millions more incidents through social media. If there's a fundamental chance in society and technology, then it impacts on the police. To buck this would require more risk to be taken on, where occasionally something would be missed. The public / media / state wouldn't accept this so it won't ever occur.
Demand is inverse for the public sector. The more of it the thinner you spread finite resources.
There is no justification for front desks (other than one per district) to be open when doing cost / benefit analysis. Foot patrol, other than for events and in town centres, is a waste of time, too with the way the modern service works.
Demand is inverse for the public sector. The more of it the thinner you spread finite resources.
There is no justification for front desks (other than one per district) to be open when doing cost / benefit analysis. Foot patrol, other than for events and in town centres, is a waste of time, too with the way the modern service works.
bad company said:
[quote=La Foot patrol, other than for events and in town centres, is a waste of time, too with the way the modern service works.
Can't agree with that.Bigends said:
Foot patrol is unlikely to detect any crime - but can provide reassurance for the public and the crime prevention value cant be measured. Certainly not a waste of time unless all youre interested in is detecting crime
Given the increase in towns and the geographic that officers cover, and the reduction in numbers to cover those areas, IMO it makes much more sense to have officers in cars who can respond to calls throughout the geographic. If you've got one cop covering the whole of town, he's one end, and the call comes in 2 miles away, I would say that foot patrol is far from beneficial.singlecoil said:
Bigends said:
bad company said:
[quote=La Foot patrol, other than for events and in town centres, is a waste of time, too with the way the modern service works.
Can't agree with that.Bigends said:
bad company said:
La Liga said:
Foot patrol, other than for events and in town centres, is a waste of time, too with the way the modern service works.
Can't agree with that.Bigends said:
bad company said:
[quote=La Foot patrol, other than for events and in town centres, is a waste of time, too with the way the modern service works.
Can't agree with that.In certain circumstances a medium can be achieved between this by the use of bicycle and equestrian patrols - but for some localities there is no alternative to the use of cars / vans even by PCSOs.
much as PCSOs are reveiled by some foot patrol in suburbia is one where the balalnce may be better served by the PCSO on foot vs the constable on foot ...
mph1977 said:
much as PCSOs are reveiled by some foot patrol in suburbia is one where the balalnce may be better served by the PCSO on foot vs the constable on foot ...
Except for the fact that whenever I see PSCOs 'round here they are in pairs.2x PCSOs are more expensive than 1x Police Officer.
I'd rather have the single cop with powers, training and knowledge.
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