NON ISOCYANATE 2K PAINT
Discussion
Is there anybody out there that has ever used non-isocycante 2K paint on a car?
Even better if you've used it on a GRP body.
Even better still if you've done it at home rather than in a proper booth.
Any experiences you have would be welcome......I'm told that the finish isn't as good or as hard as normal 2K, but it'd be good to hear of any real life experiences.
Thanks.
Even better if you've used it on a GRP body.
Even better still if you've done it at home rather than in a proper booth.
Any experiences you have would be welcome......I'm told that the finish isn't as good or as hard as normal 2K, but it'd be good to hear of any real life experiences.
Thanks.
Thanks.........I'm looking for a system to use at home to do a whole GRP body - I'm in the early stages of a Chesil Speedster build. The last kit I built and painted was a Marcos which I did in cellulose in a lockup. It looked great for about a year until a couple of blemishes appeared under the paint.
Everything I've heard says that 2K iso is the best in these circumstances, but because of the safety concerns I want as little exposure to it as possible - hence the question about non-iso.
Water base and just 2 or 3 coats of iso clear could be a solution though.
And thanks 7even....I wasn't ignoring you........is it really as bad as everyone says?
Everything I've heard says that 2K iso is the best in these circumstances, but because of the safety concerns I want as little exposure to it as possible - hence the question about non-iso.
Water base and just 2 or 3 coats of iso clear could be a solution though.
And thanks 7even....I wasn't ignoring you........is it really as bad as everyone says?
gretsch drummer said:
m4tti said:
If your worries about safety I bought a mask which has two stage filters which have a set life that are suitable for 2k paint.
Have you got a link for the mask? Wanting to buy a decent mask.mneame said:
Isn't it more about releasing the toxins into the atmosphere than your own health as to why you have to use it in a booth?
A booth pushes the toxins higher into the atmosphere away from the work force near by and in the workshop. The extraction chimney design helps to push it into the atmosphere not the booth.
Belief is a booth is for better paint finishes, where as its more about H&S.
Of course a booth does control dust and temps which in turn results in better gun finishes.
Booths run negative vacuum to stop ANY vapour/toxins being released into the work shop.
This means a booth is trying to draw in dust and contamination into the spray booth hence why sicone products are such an issue in workshops.
hope that makes sense
basically its the oppostie of what you thought.
kelly
Edited by kds keltec on Monday 23 June 14:21
7even said:
Gerson do a few, you can pick them up on ebay or your local motor factors.
Just make sure you get the correct mask for your use and keep it in the sealed bag when not in use.
http://www.alloypaints.com/gerson-2k-disposable-paint-spray-respirator-face-mask-medium-large-72-p.aspJust make sure you get the correct mask for your use and keep it in the sealed bag when not in use.
Although you would be unwise to paint with ISO paints day in day out (isocyanates can be absorbed through mucous membranes) these meet all the necessary requirements to protect you from ISO vapours.
Don't want to trivialise the dangers here, but Looking at this from a scientific context, that ISO paint vapour in the grand scheme of things are minor league compared to chemical weapons where similar filter based masks are used.
Edited by m4tti on Monday 23 June 22:39
As for paint, every painter has their own preference as to whats best between 2k and waterbase, celly etc. Although hardly anyone uses cellulose these days! m4tti said:
The Gerson is the only mask approved for 2k products, the one in link has a 40 hr working life. 
We use the Gerson masks, rated for organic/inorganic solvents, replaced regulary, we rate them highly.
SMART repair can be carried out using iso products as long as there is an exclusion zone in place, and you are supposed to use an air-fed mask. HSE are interested in the products you use, if you emit more than 1 ton of VOC per annum, because of the size of a typical SMART repair it is very unlikely you will exceed this limit.
A booth has a number of advantages, the main one as has been mentioned is keeping HSE happy, but by controlling your conditions i.e less dust, more stable temperature, better lighting you will achieve more consistent results. This is why I am now getting a spray booth because after years of doing SMART repairer there are still too many variables involved that can cause problems such as valeters throwing silicone about
Non-ISO is pretty crap TBH, poor durability, hard to rework if needed, usually has a yellow tint so throws off the shades on lighter colours, lack of ISO aside its still nasty stuff..
SMART repair can be carried out using iso products as long as there is an exclusion zone in place, and you are supposed to use an air-fed mask. HSE are interested in the products you use, if you emit more than 1 ton of VOC per annum, because of the size of a typical SMART repair it is very unlikely you will exceed this limit.
A booth has a number of advantages, the main one as has been mentioned is keeping HSE happy, but by controlling your conditions i.e less dust, more stable temperature, better lighting you will achieve more consistent results. This is why I am now getting a spray booth because after years of doing SMART repairer there are still too many variables involved that can cause problems such as valeters throwing silicone about
Non-ISO is pretty crap TBH, poor durability, hard to rework if needed, usually has a yellow tint so throws off the shades on lighter colours, lack of ISO aside its still nasty stuff..
kds keltec said:
A booth pushes the toxins higher into the atmosphere away from the work force near by and in the workshop.
The extraction chimney design helps to push it into the atmosphere not the booth.
Belief is a booth is for better paint finishes, where as its more about H&S.
Of course a booth does control dust and temps which in turn results in better gun finishes.
Booths run negative vacuum to stop ANY vapour/toxins being released into the work shop.
This means a booth is trying to draw in dust and contamination into the spray booth hence why sicone products are such an issue in workshops.
hope that makes sense
basically its the oppostie of what you thought.
kelly
Thanks Kelly.The extraction chimney design helps to push it into the atmosphere not the booth.
Belief is a booth is for better paint finishes, where as its more about H&S.
Of course a booth does control dust and temps which in turn results in better gun finishes.
Booths run negative vacuum to stop ANY vapour/toxins being released into the work shop.
This means a booth is trying to draw in dust and contamination into the spray booth hence why sicone products are such an issue in workshops.
hope that makes sense
basically its the oppostie of what you thought.
kelly
Edited by kds keltec on Monday 23 June 14:21
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