E30 M3 prices

[Bayerische]

Pagoda1966 said:

White one with low miles just gone on PH for £75k..........not the best advert I've ever seen...'Alpine White'... When dealers selling serious kit (Dick Lovett, Rardley's) start to take an interest in your car, it's not likely to have an adverse effect on values...........

I agree, probably the worst ad from a dealer that I have ever seen. Beautiful low mileage car but I think their pricing strategy is ambitious considering Sport Evos are not selling close to that price.

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/b...

[Mr_B]

Bayerische said:

Paracetamol said:

Bayerische said:

Paracetamol said:

5 to 6 grand spent on the red silverstone e car would make it a near perfect car. Nor bad at 42k for a nut and bolt rebuilt car.

Would it? The engine looks strange...it has a viscous coupling attached to a fan on the engine side of the radiator which suggests it's a U.S. spec engine, although it is supposed to be a German delivered early car. The cover on the HT leads suggests U.S. engine also.

Don't get me wrong, it's not a bad car but it could have been so much better. Lots of details are wrong about the car. Collectors want provenance and originality, there are too many question marks about that car to part with £37000 or even £42,000 when a good original car with a known pedigree can be bought for the same money.

Not a bad car but not worth the money.

The car has AC hence the fan. The 5-6 spend would put all the details right. Main thing is that there is no rust. All parts are rebuilt and all the underside is fully detailed. Bit of work on the interior etc etc and exterior gives you a concours car. Do that on a regular car and you wont see change out of 40k to 50k.

Agree though that there is nothing better than an original historied and mollycoddled car..but where are they to be found these days and I bet even these will start to rust etc

Good original modest mileage cars can be got, usually on mainland Europe.

For similar money, I would rather have this.

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C642414

If you notice this Euro spec car has Air Con and no viscous coupling and fan on the radiator. I have only ever seen that arrangement on U.S. spec cars, which makes me suspicious that the engine in the Henna car is not original.

Didn't Japanese spec cars have the same viscous fan as US spec cars ? If so and having lived a life there, might be possible this was added from it's Euro spec delivery.
Given the current climate, it's not that badly priced at £40K ish given the major expense it's had. Some details let it down , but not huge some to correct. I think there was a build thread for this car on E30Zone too

Edited by Mr_B on Saturday 1st August 10:33

[e21Mark]

Any s14 engine can be fitted with a viscous fan in a matter of seconds. Ordinarily, when only the 2 stage electric fan in fitted, the threads are covered with a cap. I found that out when my leccy fan failed and I removed the cap and fitted a viscous as a temporary repair. I'm sure others will have done the same over the years.

Edited by e21Mark on Saturday 1st August 14:39

[Bayerische]

If that is the case then fair enough. If the Henna car has it's original engine and is still a matching numbers car then someone got a nice restored car.

The car sold at Silverstone Auctions about 18 months ago for £34,000. The purchaser then sent it to a well known marque specialist for a lot of remedial work which must have cost thousands. I was told the restoration had been rushed.

It sells last month for £37,000, so the original purchaser must had taken a bath on it. Hopefully whoever bought it got a good car free of any gremlins.

Edited by Bayerische on Saturday 1st August 15:56

Edited by Bayerische on Saturday 1st August 17:25

[BSSBMW]

The henna car sold by silverstone auctions is a jap spec car hence the viscous.

It also has very tight panel gaps so they would need to rectified and the cars paint needs redoing again as it was poorly prepped and is now resulting in issues.

[sim16v]

Bayerische said:

I agree, probably the worst ad from a dealer that I have ever seen. Beautiful low mileage car but I think their pricing strategy is ambitious considering Sport Evos are not selling close to that price.

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/b...

This advert is poorly written as well!

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/b...

[E30M3SE]

BSSBMW said:

The henna car sold by silverstone auctions is a jap spec car hence the viscous.

It also has very tight panel gaps so they would need to rectified and the cars paint needs redoing again as it was poorly prepped and is now resulting in issues.

It's an AK01 chassis code, from the VIN,

Model description: M3
Market: Europa
Type: 1001
E-Code: E30
Chassis: Limousine
Steering: links
Doors: 2
Engine: S14 - 2,30l (162kW)
Drive: Heckantrieb
Transmission: manuell
Body Color: Hennarot (052)
Upholstery: (0211)
Production date: 10.11.1986


Code Sonderausstattung Optional Equipment
S300A
Zentralverr. m. Diebstahlsicherg. Emergency spare wheel
S401A
Schiebehebedach elektrisch Lift-up-and-slide-back sunroof, electric
S410A
Fensterheber elektrisch vorne Window lifts, electric, front
S530A
Klimaanlage Air conditioning
S551A
Bordcomputer II mit Fernbedienung On-board computer II with remote control
S681A
Dachantenne Roof antenna
S687A
Radiovorbereitung Radio preparation
S690A
Cassettenhalterung Cassette holder
S860A
Zusatzblinkleuchte Additional turn indicator lamp
S979
Velours-Fussmatten vorn und hinten

[Bayerische]

After reading the above, I stand by my initial assessment of the car. A euro spec car that has been badly restored with possibly a U.S./Jap spec engine that has been fitted to it.

The car has too many question marks over it to be worth £37,000 when a good modest mileage unmolested car with verified history can be bought for similar money.

[e21Mark]

What about it, suggests a non original engine?

[Bayerische]

A viscous coupling and fan on the radiator, a plastic cover over the HT leads, which suggests US spec. Early Euro cars did not come from the factory with these.

I know these could have been added to the engine at a later date, but my point is, why would you spend top money on a car that has question marks over it's provenance.

[BSSBMW]

E30M3SE said:

It's an AK01 chassis code, from the VIN,

Model description: M3
Market: Europa
Type: 1001
E-Code: E30
Chassis: Limousine
Steering: links
Doors: 2
Engine: S14 - 2,30l (162kW)
Drive: Heckantrieb
Transmission: manuell
Body Color: Hennarot (052)
Upholstery: (0211)
Production date: 10.11.1986


Code Sonderausstattung Optional Equipment
S300A
Zentralverr. m. Diebstahlsicherg. Emergency spare wheel
S401A
Schiebehebedach elektrisch Lift-up-and-slide-back sunroof, electric
S410A
Fensterheber elektrisch vorne Window lifts, electric, front
S530A
Klimaanlage Air conditioning
S551A
Bordcomputer II mit Fernbedienung On-board computer II with remote control
S681A
Dachantenne Roof antenna
S687A
Radiovorbereitung Radio preparation
S690A
Cassettenhalterung Cassette holder
S860A
Zusatzblinkleuchte Additional turn indicator lamp
S979
Velours-Fussmatten vorn und hinten

Now that certainly raises a question mark over the car as it had a Japanese service book with jap stamps and the visocus and lead holder were not the only jap spec features!

[sim16v]

I think there will be question marks over a lot of cars that are bought and sold now.

I have seen a lot of cars over the years, in various states of disrepair, and I know of a few of them that have been restored/rebuilt and have been sold in the last 12 months, for pretty decent prices.

If the owners ever found out, they'd be horrified!

[E30M3SE]

BSSBMW said:

Now that certainly raises a question mark over the car as it had a Japanese service book with jap stamps and the visocus and lead holder were not the only jap spec features!

Auction catalogue said:

This example of BMW's E30 M3 was first delivered new to Germany in 1986. It was subsequently purchased by a Japanese collector and was exported in 1988. The history file retains a large amount of the original Japanese paperwork, wallet, manuals and service booklet. The odometer reads 141,000 kilometres (87,000 miles), which is supported by service records from a BMW main dealer in Japan.

This M3 was purchased by the previous owner as a rolling restoration project in 2009 and he imported the car back to Europe. However, as soon as he did so, it was decided that car deserved to be restored from the ground up.................

[sim16v]

People look at photos, they don't read the text!;)

[neutral 3]

Yes...They Don't read the txt...

[neutral 3]

Yes...They Don't read the txt...

[Welshbeef]

sim16v said:

I think there will be question marks over a lot of cars that are bought and sold now.

I have seen a lot of cars over the years, in various states of disrepair, and I know of a few of them that have been restored/rebuilt and have been sold in the last 12 months, for pretty decent prices.

If the owners ever found out, they'd be horrified!

But if now in great condition what does previous condition have to do with anything. Most things on a car are consumable anyway so if all replaced or repaired then all is good.

[BSSBMW]

neutral 3 said:

Yes...They Don't read the txt...

sim16v said:

People look at photos, they don't read the text!;)

I haven't even looked at the photos or clicked on the web link!

I've seen the car in person and in fact inspected the car after it sold the first time at auction although I never saw the paper work.

When it was imported to Japan then it must have had all the jap spec parts fitted such as the overhead check panel with overheat warning, expansion cap with warning lable and the aforementioned fan and lead housing.

The car was half finished when I inspected it with with a catalogue of items finished incorrectly, use of wrong fittings, mechanical and electrical defects not to mention the poor paint prep and badly fitted panels.

Most if not all of the mechanical and electrical defects have been rectified now but the car still needs a complete repaint and correct alignment of the panel work.

£37k was way over the top imo.

[sim16v]

Welshbeef said:

But if now in great condition what does previous condition have to do with anything. Most things on a car are consumable anyway so if all replaced or repaired then all is good.

I agree with you, and think that as the cars are up to 30 years old, a car with non complete history shouldn't be turned down just because it hasn't got paperwork for every year of it's life.

But listen to some people and you should run to the hills if it has missed one service at the main dealer!


A lot of people believe they have bought the "perfect car" especially as they have paid top dollar for it.

For a lot of cars that simply isn't the case.

[Paracetamol]

BSSBMW said:

neutral 3 said:

Yes...They Don't read the txt...

sim16v said:

People look at photos, they don't read the text!;)

I haven't even looked at the photos or clicked on the web link!

I've seen the car in person and in fact inspected the car after it sold the first time at auction although I never saw the paper

Most if not all of the mechanical and electrical defects have been rectified now but the car still needs a complete repaint and correct alignment of the panel work.

£37k was way over the top imo.

So 5 or 6 spent could make iit a great car. Try doing a full body she'll resto for less than 50k plus doner car...