Ecclestone wants teams to run three cars
Discussion
CaptainSensib1e said:
For once, I don't think this is a bad idea. A lot of the cost in F1 is developing the car, rather than simply building it. Having 3 cars per team, and less teams, would promote economies of scale.
So if you went from 12 teams x 2 drivers to 8 teams x 3 drivers there would be a lot less overall costs within F1 as a business on car development. The total pot of F1 cash would be split between less teams, which could make it easier for the smaller teams to compete with the bigger teams if the budget was distributed fairly.
I also like the idea of saying the 3rd car has to have a rookie in with, say, less than 2 years of F1 experience. They could laos use the third car as a test bed for new developments, which again should help with reducing testing costs.
I agree. It makes a huge amount of sense and, as you say, there are very clear economies of scale. So if you went from 12 teams x 2 drivers to 8 teams x 3 drivers there would be a lot less overall costs within F1 as a business on car development. The total pot of F1 cash would be split between less teams, which could make it easier for the smaller teams to compete with the bigger teams if the budget was distributed fairly.
I also like the idea of saying the 3rd car has to have a rookie in with, say, less than 2 years of F1 experience. They could laos use the third car as a test bed for new developments, which again should help with reducing testing costs.
It's not even as if race teams having more than 2 cars is unprecedented. F1 teams did in the past, Le Mans and BTCC still do. And for years Aussie V8s had only had 2 manufacturers for the entire grid.
ash73 said:
How about a female third driver in each team? That would make up the numbers for a separate WWDC, and meanwhile the women could also compete with the men in equal cars.
What's all this push to get a woman in an F1 car FFS - I HATE discrimination in any form.If they're good enough they're in; if they're not good enough, lacking a penis shouldn't give them an advantage.
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BigBob said:
ash73 said:
How about a female third driver in each team? That would make up the numbers for a separate WWDC, and meanwhile the women could also compete with the men in equal cars.
What's all this push to get a woman in an F1 car FFS - I HATE discrimination in any form.If they're good enough they're in; if they're not good enough, lacking a penis shouldn't give them an advantage.
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MartG said:
Maybe allow the smaller teams to 'sell' one of their grid slots to the bigger teams - helps finance smaller teams who then only have to field one car as well as reducing their manpower & spares costs ?
The majority of the costs in F1 are not in building the cars. I doubt there would be a significant cost reduction in fielding one car rather than two.BigBob said:
What's all this push to get a woman in an F1 car FFS - I HATE discrimination in any form.
If they're good enough they're in; if they're not good enough, lacking a penis shouldn't give them an advantage.
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I agree. "Positive discrimination" is as bad as what it seeks to counter. If they're good enough they're in; if they're not good enough, lacking a penis shouldn't give them an advantage.
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JonRB said:
I agree. "Positive discrimination" is as bad as what it seeks to counter.
Creating a specific championship for women, because they are percieved as not being able to compete on a level with men, is rather patronising IMOAs said above - if they are good enough then they'll be there on merit
ash73 said:
MartG said:
Creating a specific championship for women, because they are percieved as not being able to compete on a level with men, is rather patronising IMO
Why? That's how it's done in every other sport.Maybe we could take the discussion of women in F1 into the thread that is already running on it chaps?
Can someone explain how the economics of this third car work?
The teams would have a 3rd car so they would get more sponsorship. Are we sure? Surely if people wanted to sponsor the top teams they already would be. Who can actually name all the sponsors on the big teams cars let alone the small ones? Generally I suspect you can only name the main sponsor. If you have 3 car teams its likely that you'll have the first 6 cars from 2 of those teams, who is going to want to sponsr the teams that are down at 7-24 etc?
Not only that but currently the smaller teams buy kit from the larger teams, so the larger teams will lose that income.
It will also make it even more difficult to new comers to the sport.
So all in all I am not sure the benefits are there, mind you by the time it comes in it will be pay per view on TV and I wont be watching!
The teams would have a 3rd car so they would get more sponsorship. Are we sure? Surely if people wanted to sponsor the top teams they already would be. Who can actually name all the sponsors on the big teams cars let alone the small ones? Generally I suspect you can only name the main sponsor. If you have 3 car teams its likely that you'll have the first 6 cars from 2 of those teams, who is going to want to sponsr the teams that are down at 7-24 etc?
Not only that but currently the smaller teams buy kit from the larger teams, so the larger teams will lose that income.
It will also make it even more difficult to new comers to the sport.
So all in all I am not sure the benefits are there, mind you by the time it comes in it will be pay per view on TV and I wont be watching!
Chrisgr31 said:
Can someone explain how the economics of this third car work?
The teams would have a 3rd car so they would get more sponsorship. Are we sure? Surely if people wanted to sponsor the top teams they already would be. Who can actually name all the sponsors on the big teams cars let alone the small ones? Generally I suspect you can only name the main sponsor. If you have 3 car teams its likely that you'll have the first 6 cars from 2 of those teams, who is going to want to sponsr the teams that are down at 7-24 etc?
Not only that but currently the smaller teams buy kit from the larger teams, so the larger teams will lose that income.
It will also make it even more difficult to new comers to the sport.
So all in all I am not sure the benefits are there, mind you by the time it comes in it will be pay per view on TV and I wont be watching!
not sure I follow your logic?The teams would have a 3rd car so they would get more sponsorship. Are we sure? Surely if people wanted to sponsor the top teams they already would be. Who can actually name all the sponsors on the big teams cars let alone the small ones? Generally I suspect you can only name the main sponsor. If you have 3 car teams its likely that you'll have the first 6 cars from 2 of those teams, who is going to want to sponsr the teams that are down at 7-24 etc?
Not only that but currently the smaller teams buy kit from the larger teams, so the larger teams will lose that income.
It will also make it even more difficult to new comers to the sport.
So all in all I am not sure the benefits are there, mind you by the time it comes in it will be pay per view on TV and I wont be watching!
for a team like Williams to run a third car will cost them bugger all (relevantly) and whilst you could argue that the main team sponsor will not want to be paying any more, what's to say they have to have the same sponsorship on the third car? (much like BAR tried and yes the rules would need looking at).
other point is the smaller teams all have pay drivers, their third driver would also be a pay driver with their own personal sponsors to bring to the table.
as for the bigger teams that sell parts (gearboxes etc) this increases their market, not reduces it, unless you're going to go with less teams?
I like the idea of 11/12 teams of 3 cars
Vaud said:
Scuffers said:
I like the idea of 11/12 teams of 3 cars
Could most circuits cope with that number of cars in the pits? 36 cars on track sounds like a recipe for hassle.26 was the max for a race in recent decades?
as for garages, have you ever been to silverstone? even the old pits are MASSIVE and plentiful, only places that would be hard would be monaco and the like.
Scuffers said:
...... and whilst you could argue that the main team sponsor will not want to be paying any more, what's to say they have to have the same sponsorship on the third car? (much like BAR tried and yes the rules would need looking at).
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