Israeli

[Cheib]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/isr...

I wonder how long it will be before that turns into concerted terrorist activity against Jewish targets

[enioldjoe]

allnighter said:

S 8 GRN said:

allnighter said:

most of the world is against state sponsored terrorism by high tech weaponery against civilians. If the target is hamas fighters then man up go in and hunt them street by street. Killing babies and children is cowardly to any civilized person and if you cannot grasp that then you have no moral fibre unfortunately.

Is that a you gov poll you're quoting? Most of the world my ass. As for the killing you're spot on - it is exactly the reason the IDF is carrying out the current operation. Given that Hamas has launched over 1000 rockets since this latest escalation began and over 11,000 in the last 14 years I'd ask you to consult with your same data source, yes the one that you quote as most of the world, what on gods earth they think the plan was for those rockets fired into Israel. Of course my mistake they were landscaping - Grand Designs Hamas style. And as for high tech - access to missiles that can reach Haifa are pretty damn high tech where I come from. Less of the pity pls - Hamas are cold blooded killers.

Most of the world is exactly what it means, the international community that adheres strongly to the principles of decency and respects international law. Targeting civilians by a state is against international law no matter who the offender is.Israeli self-defense does not give it the God given right to kill over a thousand Gazan civilians, to bomb hospitals, or warn Gazans to evacuate buildings when they have nowhere to go, as well as destroy all infrastructure just to get back at her foe. It is not considered or viewed as a civilised behaviour by most of the world, especially, if the perpetrator claims to be a 'civilised democracy' and worthy of that title.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/a-supportive-british-colonel-and-a-bleak-vision-of-endless-costly-military-operations/

[skyrover]

Cheib said:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/isr...

I wonder how long it will be before that turns into concerted terrorist activity against Jewish targets

All attacks carried out by members of the "religion of peace" from what I gather?

Edited by skyrover on Monday 28th July 00:09

[otolith]

Countdown said:

otolith said:

The focus on the "unfairness", the description of Israel's greater defensive capacity making it a "bully".

When an adult pinches a child's sweets, and then knocks the child's teeth out when the child tries to fight back, is it the child's fault for retaliating? After all, shouldn't the child have tried to negotiate the return of the sweets?

The metaphor is a nonsense. It's a simplistic reduction of a complex situation to an interpretation which suits your agenda.

[Mr_B]

Cheib said:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/isr...

I wonder how long it will be before that turns into concerted terrorist activity against Jewish targets

Not quite being reported by the Guardian types like the almost cricket scoring as per the Lee Rigby/Muslims attacks in the UK eh ?

[allnighter]

enioldjoe said:

allnighter said:

S 8 GRN said:

allnighter said:

most of the world is against state sponsored terrorism by high tech weaponery against civilians. If the target is hamas fighters then man up go in and hunt them street by street. Killing babies and children is cowardly to any civilized person and if you cannot grasp that then you have no moral fibre unfortunately.

Is that a you gov poll you're quoting? Most of the world my ass. As for the killing you're spot on - it is exactly the reason the IDF is carrying out the current operation. Given that Hamas has launched over 1000 rockets since this latest escalation began and over 11,000 in the last 14 years I'd ask you to consult with your same data source, yes the one that you quote as most of the world, what on gods earth they think the plan was for those rockets fired into Israel. Of course my mistake they were landscaping - Grand Designs Hamas style. And as for high tech - access to missiles that can reach Haifa are pretty damn high tech where I come from. Less of the pity pls - Hamas are cold blooded killers.

Most of the world is exactly what it means, the international community that adheres strongly to the principles of decency and respects international law. Targeting civilians by a state is against international law no matter who the offender is.Israeli self-defense does not give it the God given right to kill over a thousand Gazan civilians, to bomb hospitals, or warn Gazans to evacuate buildings when they have nowhere to go, as well as destroy all infrastructure just to get back at her foe. It is not considered or viewed as a civilised behaviour by most of the world, especially, if the perpetrator claims to be a 'civilised democracy' and worthy of that title.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/a-supportive-british-colonel-and-a-bleak-vision-of-endless-costly-military-operations/

I disagree with some points he raised about the conflict.Looking at the problem from an operational and a military point of view is always going to miss out on more important factors such as the history of the region and why things are as bad as they are now. His opinion on settlements shows a poor understanding of the conflict.


http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/doc...

[skyrover]

Looks like Hamas might finally be ready to give peace a chance...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleea...

[enioldjoe]

allnighter said:

enioldjoe said:

allnighter said:

S 8 GRN said:

allnighter said:

most of the world is against state sponsored terrorism by high tech weaponery against civilians. If the target is hamas fighters then man up go in and hunt them street by street. Killing babies and children is cowardly to any civilized person and if you cannot grasp that then you have no moral fibre unfortunately.

Is that a you gov poll you're quoting? Most of the world my ass. As for the killing you're spot on - it is exactly the reason the IDF is carrying out the current operation. Given that Hamas has launched over 1000 rockets since this latest escalation began and over 11,000 in the last 14 years I'd ask you to consult with your same data source, yes the one that you quote as most of the world, what on gods earth they think the plan was for those rockets fired into Israel. Of course my mistake they were landscaping - Grand Designs Hamas style. And as for high tech - access to missiles that can reach Haifa are pretty damn high tech where I come from. Less of the pity pls - Hamas are cold blooded killers.

Most of the world is exactly what it means, the international community that adheres strongly to the principles of decency and respects international law. Targeting civilians by a state is against international law no matter who the offender is.Israeli self-defense does not give it the God given right to kill over a thousand Gazan civilians, to bomb hospitals, or warn Gazans to evacuate buildings when they have nowhere to go, as well as destroy all infrastructure just to get back at her foe. It is not considered or viewed as a civilised behaviour by most of the world, especially, if the perpetrator claims to be a 'civilised democracy' and worthy of that title.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/a-supportive-british-colonel-and-a-bleak-vision-of-endless-costly-military-operations/

I disagree with some points he raised about the conflict.Looking at the problem from an operational and a military point of view is always going to miss out on more important factors such as the history of the region and why things are as bad as they are now. His opinion on settlements shows a poor understanding of the conflict.


http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/doc...

I'm guessing he would understand the history of the region. And also the origin and history of the UN.......

Interesting how the report brings up Mr Goldstone. http://www.timesofisrael.com/will-goldstone-2-be-a...

[Scuffers]

skyrover said:

Looks like Hamas might finally be ready to give peace a chance...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleea...

good to see international aid money going to good use...

[Muntu]

raftom said:

[anonymous-user]

It is quite telling that someone can find that image funny.

[Scuffers]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

whilst I agree with you about it not being funny, what it does is capture the essence of how the conflict is conducted.

[anonymous-user]

What is ironic about that cartoon is that it wouldn't make a difference. But yes Scuffers that is not surprising of Hamas, the more the Israelis try not to think like them the better.

Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 28th July 08:35

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Qwert1e said:

S 8 GRN said:

I really fail to comprehend where you make a leap to claim "most of the world" - I would really like to understand how you've come to this conclusion?

By opening my eyes and ears. Perhaps you might try it some time.

Most of the world couldn't give a stuff about the Palestinians. They used to, back in to 70s, 80s and 90s. But then they rejected the 98 peace deal, celebrated 9/11 in the streets and elected Hamas.

Sorry if that's an inconvenient fact.

[Mrr T]

allnighter said:

disagree with some points he raised about the conflict.Looking at the problem from an operational and a military point of view is always going to miss out on more important factors such as the history of the region and why things are as bad as they are now. His opinion on settlements shows a poor understanding of the conflict.


http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/doc...

Your link to a report produced under the sponsorship of the UN Human Rights Council. Which includes amongst its current membership such stalwarts of Human Rights as, Algeria, Cuba, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Russia, UAE, and Viet man.
I also believe at one stage its lead author rejected its findings.
The report has also been criticised by others.

http://www.alandershowitz.com/goldstone.pdf

[NoNeed]

Has this been posted yet?
Geoge galloway sharing a few facts in his own style.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0gEzPG82pc

[Cheib]

skyrover said:

Cheib said:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/isr...

I wonder how long it will be before that turns into concerted terrorist activity against Jewish targets

All attacks carried out by members of the "religion of peace" from what I gather?

Edited by skyrover on Monday 28th July 00:09

I am not taking sides in this debate. It's an observation.

What I do see if that this could quite easily escalate into concerted terrorist campaign targeted at Jewish targets outside Israel. In the same way for instance that US targets have been targeted by Islamist extremists outside the US.

I heard something on the radio the other day quoting a senior member of the Israeli Govt saying that Israel doesn't actually want to eliminate Hamas as they think if they do it could be replaced with something more extreme.

In my mind I think it's only time before they are or at least supplemented by something more extreme.

I really don't see how it ends well, doing nothing isn't an option for Israel in the face of provocation but then if it's response garners increased retaliation I am not sure that is a great outcome either.

[Mermaid]

Cheib said:

In my mind I think it's only time before they are or at least supplemented by something more extreme.

ISIS offshoot.

[Transmitter Man]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Most of the world couldn't give a stuff about the Palestinians. They used to, back in to 70s, 80s and 90s. But then they rejected the 98 peace deal, celebrated 9/11 in the streets and elected Hamas.

Sorry if that's an inconvenient fact.

All true and documented.

Facts I feel some are happy to forget in the current crisis.

Israel has always been somewhat lacking in the PR department although I wish I could find the clip where Bibi replied to one Turkish woman by asking her, "if you were in Istanbul and had rockets raining down would you just stand there or retaliate?"

[Grumfutock]

So we are now on 112 pages of the endless debate as to who is right and wrong in the Israel-Palestinian. We are now closer to clarity on the subject nor a solution.

Simple fact is they will never be a peace there for a couple of very simple reasons.

1. Both sides hate the other with a passion. This fact isn't going to change.
2. Each side has a religion that is incompatible to the others. This fact isn't going to change.
3. Humans are a war like species. If it was land they were fighting over it would just be something else. This fact isn't going to change, EVER!

May I suggest that we all except each others point, move on and close the thread.

I would also ask that everyone take a few seconds and spare a thought for all those in the area effected by the war, what ever side they are.