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Jimbeaux

33,791 posts

230 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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Countdown said:
Jimbeaux said:
I hope I answered fred's question.
Well, you tried, but I'm not sure if even you believe it.
What, that I am not Jewish or a cowboy? That was his question.

TwigtheWonderkid

43,246 posts

149 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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Why isn't Hamas firing rockets into Egypt, seeing as they are also party to the blockade?

GTIR

24,741 posts

265 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
Why isn't Hamas firing rockets into Egypt, seeing as they are also party to the blockade?
Because the camels might get the hump.

Qwert1e

545 posts

117 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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Jimbeaux said:
if one lives in a tiny landlocked nation surrounded by those who have vowed to destroy them, one tends to be somewhat "military".
Which begs the question, how they got there in the first place. Did they earn the right to be there or did some higher power miraculously gift it to them?

Funkycoldribena

7,379 posts

153 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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GTIR said:
Because the camels might get the hump.
I don't know what to say,Im lost for words.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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Qwert1e said:
Jimbeaux said:
if one lives in a tiny landlocked nation surrounded by those who have vowed to destroy them, one tends to be somewhat "military".
Which begs the question, how they got there in the first place. Did they earn the right to be there or did some higher power miraculously gift it to them?
Kind of depends when in history you want to talk about...

Pappa Lurve

3,827 posts

281 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
Why isn't Hamas firing rockets into Egypt, seeing as they are also party to the blockade?
Or why are they linking a cease fire to Israel lifting the Egyption blockade, or opening that border. Keep asking twig, been asking the same thing for days mate!

Countdown

39,686 posts

195 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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Pappa Lurve said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Why isn't Hamas firing rockets into Egypt, seeing as they are also party to the blockade?
Or why are they linking a cease fire to Israel lifting the Egyption blockade, or opening that border. Keep asking twig, been asking the same thing for days mate!
Both Israel and Egypt have imposed a blockade. Looking at the maps the Israeli blockade appears to be 8 times as long as the Egyptian one. That aside, Israel has killed 1000 Palestinians and has invaded Gaza with ground troops. Hamas also considers Israel the main enemy because of its occupation of the WB.

Now, if you had a limited number of rockets, who would you choose to attack?

RedTrident

8,290 posts

234 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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Jimbeaux said:
FredClogs said:
Jimbeaux said:
Countdown said:
Jimbeaux said:
So, if not for paid up military dictatorships, they too would join in attacking Israel? Sounds like we made a sound choice then.
It depends on how you look at it. When you support a dictatorship the people that are suppressed tend to consider you the same as the Dictator. So they'll always be looking for ways to get back at you. And when they do, it's no point scratching your head, looking puzzled, and suggesting it's "your way of life" that they're attacking.
It is our way of life that the likes of Hamas are attacking, it has jack st to do with "Palestine". Freedom of religion, educating women, gay rights(which I find wildly hypocritical) is what they are pissed at.As for the Egyptians, it appears the people are more trusting of their military than other alternatives. Does not speak well of the alternatives.
Wow cowboy...

Can I just ask, are you Jewish? Do you have a connection to Israel? Because you might want to take a little look at the makeup of the Knesset, it's not exactly full of people anyone could describes as secular, areligious, liberal or non military. Netenyahu's history and familly background reads like a Jack Reacher novel, he's a military man to the bones.
Not Jewish (no connections) or even a cowboy for that matter. As for BN being military to the bones, if one lives in a tiny landlocked nation surrounded by those who have vowed to destroy them, one tends to be somewhat "military". Are you Muslim or Arabic, in case that matters?
Except that Israel isn't surrounded by those who have vowed to destroy them. What next, claims of anti semitism. No one really gives a fk that people are Jewish anymore. Israel is always playing the victim to justify the murder of children.

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

164 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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Can I just say Happy Eid Mubarak everyone.

Shalom.

skyrover

12,668 posts

203 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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Countdown said:
Now, if you had a limited number of rockets, who would you choose to attack?
They have thousands... not a single one fired into Egypt

FredClogs

14,041 posts

160 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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skyrover said:
Countdown said:
Now, if you had a limited number of rockets, who would you choose to attack?
They have thousands... not a single one fired into Egypt
You might want to take a loot at a map, the is nothing to aim a rocket at in Sinai except sand, sand and more sand and the cities of Egypt are out of range, that's not to say they would hit Egyptian population centres if they could but they can't, so it's a moot point.

skyrover

12,668 posts

203 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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FredClogs said:
skyrover said:
Countdown said:
Now, if you had a limited number of rockets, who would you choose to attack?
They have thousands... not a single one fired into Egypt
You might want to take a loot at a map, the is nothing to aim a rocket at in Sinai except sand, sand and more sand and the cities of Egypt are out of range, that's not to say they would hit Egyptian population centres if they could but they can't, so it's a moot point.
The Egyptian City of Arish (pop 100,000 plus), is barely 30 miles from the Gaza border.

Pappa Lurve

3,827 posts

281 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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JensenA said:
Pappa Lurve said:
JensenA said:
It's quite ironic that the Israelis are adopting the same tactics that the Nazi's used against the French resistance movement in WW2. The Nazis destroyed whole towns and villages to retaliate against the deaths of German soldiers killed by the resistance, in an attempt to turn the French people against the resistance movement. It didn't work then, and it won't work now. The only way the Israelis can win over the Palestinian people i- which is the only way to beat Hammas - is to stop building settlements and forcibly evicting Palestinians from the homes they have lived in for hundreds of years. If they begin to treat the ordinary Palestinians with respect, then the ordinary Palestine people would turn against Hammas. The ordinary people may not agree with Hammas, but supporting, or having some sympathy to them, is the only way that have of retaliating against a nation that treats them with contempt.

Edited by JensenA on Monday 28th July 11:11
Come back when you have something of value to add. Lets be clear here, should Israel wish to destroy the Plaestinians wholesale it is not exactly hard to do. And for those who comp`re it to camps - I have physically been there over a period of many years. It is not exactly Monaco but II do find it curious how people who have nbever been, never seen it and largely know littlle aabout it can feel they are qualified to say what it is like there.
I did add something of value, it's called an opinion, and you are perfectly entitled to oppose it. However in all your all you do is repeat yourself by criticising anyone who has not been to the area in person, does not share your opinion and dares to criticise Israel.


Edited : ipad induced spelling and grammatical errors.

Edited by JensenA on Monday 28th July 20:02
I apologise. Kindly explain your opinion and why it has almost no comparison to what I have actually seen with my own eyes? Perhaps you have indeed been there? I have said the same about rocket attacks.I have not defended Israel or Hamas at all if you read my posts. However, when people state facts that are simply untrue, or that living under the rockets no big thing, without ever having done so or seen the facts themselves then I would suggest their opinion has a far less solid base than someone who has actually been to both sides and areas, many, many times over many years. But hey ho, maybe not.

Pappa Lurve

3,827 posts

281 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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Countdown said:
Pappa Lurve said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Why isn't Hamas firing rockets into Egypt, seeing as they are also party to the blockade?
Or why are they linking a cease fire to Israel lifting the Egyption blockade, or opening that border. Keep asking twig, been asking the same thing for days mate!
Both Israel and Egypt have imposed a blockade. Looking at the maps the Israeli blockade appears to be 8 times as long as the Egyptian one. That aside, Israel has killed 1000 Palestinians and has invaded Gaza with ground troops. Hamas also considers Israel the main enemy because of its occupation of the WB.

Now, if you had a limited number of rockets, who would you choose to attack?
Countdown, let us try this again - ISRAEL CANNOT OPEN THAT BLOCKADE. Hamas knows it, Israel knows it, the UN etc, as it in Egypt. So no matter what they do to Israel, it will have zero effect on that. So again, explain to me please how it is possible to fulfill the basic offered condition of a ceasefire by Hamas which is to open the egyptian blockade as well? Then, lets move onto Hamas offer of a ceasefire in which they themselve acknowledged they ignored.We can get to that later though - again, how will attacking Israel and demanding ISRAEL open the EGYPTIAN blockade. You know, the blockade on your little maps in EGYPT!!!!! Perhaps you could explain as you seem to know about it, what happened when Hamas and the PLO / PLA attacked Eygpt? I assume that will factor into your understanding of why they hitt one and not the other?

And again, just to be 101% clear as I have now asked you this several times - How can Israel open a border they dont own, and why do Hamas link that to even a ceasefire when it is blatantly and impossible demand?

Countdown

39,686 posts

195 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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Pappa Lurve said:
Countdown, let us try this again - ISRAEL CANNOT OPEN THAT BLOCKADE. Hamas knows it, Israel knows it, the UN etc, as it in Egypt. So no matter what they do to Israel, it will have zero effect on that. So again, explain to me please how it is possible to fulfill the basic offered condition of a ceasefire by Hamas which is to open the egyptian blockade as well? Then, lets move onto Hamas offer of a ceasefire in which they themselve acknowledged they ignored.We can get to that later though - again, how will attacking Israel and demanding ISRAEL open the EGYPTIAN blockade. You know, the blockade on your little maps in EGYPT!!!!! Perhaps you could explain as you seem to know about it, what happened when Hamas and the PLO / PLA attacked Eygpt? I assume that will factor into your understanding of why they hitt one and not the other?

And again, just to be 101% clear as I have now asked you this several times - How can Israel open a border they dont own, and why do Hamas link that to even a ceasefire when it is blatantly and impossible demand?
I hadn't realised you'd asked me several times so apologies for missing the question.

The answer is fairly simple; the blockade (both elements ) can be lifted quite easily if the US tells the Israelis and the Egyptians to. Whoever pays the piper calls the tune. However I doubt Barack is willing to risk political capital to do this in the short term so I guess it will take at least a few more thousand deaths before the US decides to get its hand dirty.

However, to some degree it's irrelevant whether or not Egypt agrees to remove its blockade, that's a side-story and a handy diversion. If Israel removes its blockade (both the land and sea aspects) the Egyptian one becomes superfluous.

Let me ask you a question; if the Egyptian blockade is th stumbling block, why doesn't Israel say "Fine, we'll remove ours, but we can't do anything about the Egyptian one." That way, it's tried it's best and the fault lies elsewhere.

Countdown

39,686 posts

195 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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skyrover said:
FredClogs said:
skyrover said:
Countdown said:
Now, if you had a limited number of rockets, who would you choose to attack?
They have thousands... not a single one fired into Egypt
You might want to take a loot at a map, the is nothing to aim a rocket at in Sinai except sand, sand and more sand and the cities of Egypt are out of range, that's not to say they would hit Egyptian population centres if they could but they can't, so it's a moot point.
The Egyptian City of Arish (pop 100,000 plus), is barely 30 miles from the Gaza border.
How many Gazans have been killed by Egyptian military action? That might explain why the rockets are onl been fired in one direction.

audidoody

8,595 posts

255 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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FredClogs said:
Complete nonsense, ridiculous, strawman, revisionist nonsense, ill informed, propagandist and worst of all designed to not only propagate the "war" but also aggravate the nations who Israel pre emptively struck and STARTED a war with. A war to capture land that has effectively continued for nearly 50 years.

Israel was never and has never been invaded/attacked or anywhere near threatened by any other than daft rhetoric and a few harsh words.
Just to refresh your selective memory;

May 1948

1. Combined invasion by Egypt, Jordan and Syria, together with expeditionary forces from Iraq, attempt to enter newly established State of Israel and its UN partitioned borders.
2. Invading forces take control Arab areas and attack Israeli forces and Jewish settlements.[
3. Jordanian army blockades 100,000 Jewish residents of Jerusalem


May, 1967

1. Nasser masses around 100,000 troops in Sinai on Israel's border
2. Nasser expels UNEF force from Gaza and Sinai
3. Nasser closes Straits of Tiran to Israeli shipping
4. Jordan and Egypt sign a defence pact
5 Iraqi army sends troops and armour to Jordan
6. Syrian chief of staff states "Our objective is the freeing of Palestine and the liquidation of the Zionist existence
7 Nasser gives a speech in which he says ""Our goal is clear -- to wipe Israel off the face of the map."
8. The PLO states "We shall destroy Israel and prepare boats to deport the survivors if there are any."
9. Israel pleads with King Hussein to stay out of any conflict telling him Israel had no hostil
10. Syria' masses 75,000 troops long the Syrian border

If I stood outside your house with a gang of my mates and we all jumped up and down and told and told you how we were going to kick your door in and beat up everyone inside - would you perhaps consider shooting us first?

Whatever, your 'daft rhetoric' has led to around 200,000 Israeli military casualties of war between 1948 and 1997 and many times that number of Arab casualties. That's some damage for a "few hard words".

TwigtheWonderkid

43,246 posts

149 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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Countdown said:
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Now, if you had a limited number of rockets, who would you choose to attack?
Limited??? They seem to be stretching them out to last quite a long time. Any idea on when this limited supply might run out?

TwigtheWonderkid

43,246 posts

149 months

Monday 28th July 2014
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Countdown said:
How many Gazans have been killed by Egyptian military action? That might explain why the rockets are onl been fired in one direction.
How many Egyptians towns have been bombarded with rockets? Perhaps this might explain why the military action is only coming from one direction?