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Jimbeaux said:
if one lives in a tiny landlocked nation surrounded by those who have vowed to destroy them, one tends to be somewhat "military".
Which begs the question, how they got there in the first place. Did they earn the right to be there or did some higher power miraculously gift it to them?Qwert1e said:
Jimbeaux said:
if one lives in a tiny landlocked nation surrounded by those who have vowed to destroy them, one tends to be somewhat "military".
Which begs the question, how they got there in the first place. Did they earn the right to be there or did some higher power miraculously gift it to them?Pappa Lurve said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Why isn't Hamas firing rockets into Egypt, seeing as they are also party to the blockade?
Or why are they linking a cease fire to Israel lifting the Egyption blockade, or opening that border. Keep asking twig, been asking the same thing for days mate!Now, if you had a limited number of rockets, who would you choose to attack?
Jimbeaux said:
FredClogs said:
Jimbeaux said:
Countdown said:
Jimbeaux said:
So, if not for paid up military dictatorships, they too would join in attacking Israel? Sounds like we made a sound choice then.
It depends on how you look at it. When you support a dictatorship the people that are suppressed tend to consider you the same as the Dictator. So they'll always be looking for ways to get back at you. And when they do, it's no point scratching your head, looking puzzled, and suggesting it's "your way of life" that they're attacking.Can I just ask, are you Jewish? Do you have a connection to Israel? Because you might want to take a little look at the makeup of the Knesset, it's not exactly full of people anyone could describes as secular, areligious, liberal or non military. Netenyahu's history and familly background reads like a Jack Reacher novel, he's a military man to the bones.
skyrover said:
Countdown said:
Now, if you had a limited number of rockets, who would you choose to attack?
They have thousands... not a single one fired into EgyptFredClogs said:
skyrover said:
Countdown said:
Now, if you had a limited number of rockets, who would you choose to attack?
They have thousands... not a single one fired into EgyptJensenA said:
Pappa Lurve said:
JensenA said:
It's quite ironic that the Israelis are adopting the same tactics that the Nazi's used against the French resistance movement in WW2. The Nazis destroyed whole towns and villages to retaliate against the deaths of German soldiers killed by the resistance, in an attempt to turn the French people against the resistance movement. It didn't work then, and it won't work now. The only way the Israelis can win over the Palestinian people i- which is the only way to beat Hammas - is to stop building settlements and forcibly evicting Palestinians from the homes they have lived in for hundreds of years. If they begin to treat the ordinary Palestinians with respect, then the ordinary Palestine people would turn against Hammas. The ordinary people may not agree with Hammas, but supporting, or having some sympathy to them, is the only way that have of retaliating against a nation that treats them with contempt.
Come back when you have something of value to add. Lets be clear here, should Israel wish to destroy the Plaestinians wholesale it is not exactly hard to do. And for those who comp`re it to camps - I have physically been there over a period of many years. It is not exactly Monaco but II do find it curious how people who have nbever been, never seen it and largely know littlle aabout it can feel they are qualified to say what it is like there. Edited by JensenA on Monday 28th July 11:11
Edited : ipad induced spelling and grammatical errors.
Edited by JensenA on Monday 28th July 20:02
Countdown said:
Pappa Lurve said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Why isn't Hamas firing rockets into Egypt, seeing as they are also party to the blockade?
Or why are they linking a cease fire to Israel lifting the Egyption blockade, or opening that border. Keep asking twig, been asking the same thing for days mate!Now, if you had a limited number of rockets, who would you choose to attack?
And again, just to be 101% clear as I have now asked you this several times - How can Israel open a border they dont own, and why do Hamas link that to even a ceasefire when it is blatantly and impossible demand?
Pappa Lurve said:
Countdown, let us try this again - ISRAEL CANNOT OPEN THAT BLOCKADE. Hamas knows it, Israel knows it, the UN etc, as it in Egypt. So no matter what they do to Israel, it will have zero effect on that. So again, explain to me please how it is possible to fulfill the basic offered condition of a ceasefire by Hamas which is to open the egyptian blockade as well? Then, lets move onto Hamas offer of a ceasefire in which they themselve acknowledged they ignored.We can get to that later though - again, how will attacking Israel and demanding ISRAEL open the EGYPTIAN blockade. You know, the blockade on your little maps in EGYPT!!!!! Perhaps you could explain as you seem to know about it, what happened when Hamas and the PLO / PLA attacked Eygpt? I assume that will factor into your understanding of why they hitt one and not the other?
And again, just to be 101% clear as I have now asked you this several times - How can Israel open a border they dont own, and why do Hamas link that to even a ceasefire when it is blatantly and impossible demand?
I hadn't realised you'd asked me several times so apologies for missing the question.And again, just to be 101% clear as I have now asked you this several times - How can Israel open a border they dont own, and why do Hamas link that to even a ceasefire when it is blatantly and impossible demand?
The answer is fairly simple; the blockade (both elements ) can be lifted quite easily if the US tells the Israelis and the Egyptians to. Whoever pays the piper calls the tune. However I doubt Barack is willing to risk political capital to do this in the short term so I guess it will take at least a few more thousand deaths before the US decides to get its hand dirty.
However, to some degree it's irrelevant whether or not Egypt agrees to remove its blockade, that's a side-story and a handy diversion. If Israel removes its blockade (both the land and sea aspects) the Egyptian one becomes superfluous.
Let me ask you a question; if the Egyptian blockade is th stumbling block, why doesn't Israel say "Fine, we'll remove ours, but we can't do anything about the Egyptian one." That way, it's tried it's best and the fault lies elsewhere.
skyrover said:
FredClogs said:
skyrover said:
Countdown said:
Now, if you had a limited number of rockets, who would you choose to attack?
They have thousands... not a single one fired into EgyptFredClogs said:
Complete nonsense, ridiculous, strawman, revisionist nonsense, ill informed, propagandist and worst of all designed to not only propagate the "war" but also aggravate the nations who Israel pre emptively struck and STARTED a war with. A war to capture land that has effectively continued for nearly 50 years.
Israel was never and has never been invaded/attacked or anywhere near threatened by any other than daft rhetoric and a few harsh words.
Just to refresh your selective memory;Israel was never and has never been invaded/attacked or anywhere near threatened by any other than daft rhetoric and a few harsh words.
May 1948
1. Combined invasion by Egypt, Jordan and Syria, together with expeditionary forces from Iraq, attempt to enter newly established State of Israel and its UN partitioned borders.
2. Invading forces take control Arab areas and attack Israeli forces and Jewish settlements.[
3. Jordanian army blockades 100,000 Jewish residents of Jerusalem
May, 1967
1. Nasser masses around 100,000 troops in Sinai on Israel's border
2. Nasser expels UNEF force from Gaza and Sinai
3. Nasser closes Straits of Tiran to Israeli shipping
4. Jordan and Egypt sign a defence pact
5 Iraqi army sends troops and armour to Jordan
6. Syrian chief of staff states "Our objective is the freeing of Palestine and the liquidation of the Zionist existence
7 Nasser gives a speech in which he says ""Our goal is clear -- to wipe Israel off the face of the map."
8. The PLO states "We shall destroy Israel and prepare boats to deport the survivors if there are any."
9. Israel pleads with King Hussein to stay out of any conflict telling him Israel had no hostil
10. Syria' masses 75,000 troops long the Syrian border
If I stood outside your house with a gang of my mates and we all jumped up and down and told and told you how we were going to kick your door in and beat up everyone inside - would you perhaps consider shooting us first?
Whatever, your 'daft rhetoric' has led to around 200,000 Israeli military casualties of war between 1948 and 1997 and many times that number of Arab casualties. That's some damage for a "few hard words".
Countdown said:
How many Gazans have been killed by Egyptian military action? That might explain why the rockets are onl been fired in one direction.
How many Egyptians towns have been bombarded with rockets? Perhaps this might explain why the military action is only coming from one direction? Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff