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JuniorD said:
If the so called Iron Dome is the Israeli means of defence against Hamas rockets, does that mean that the Israeli attacks on Gaza are not actually in self defence, but rather are purely unnessary reprisals?
No more unnecessary as me shooting back at you after you've been taking pot shots at me even though I am wearing a bullet-proof vest.JuniorD said:
If the so called Iron Dome is the Israeli means of defence against Hamas rockets, does that mean that the Israeli attacks on Gaza are not actually in self defence, but rather are purely unnessary reprisals?
Yea because intercepting the missiles makes firing them ok?So are you saying that Israel has to suffer 1,000s of rocket attacks but wait until the Iron Dome misses one before it is allowed and justified in shooting back? If so kindly name me one other country that would do that!
Scuffers said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
We don't know why the talks broke down. One of the reports suggests that the Palestinian delegation thought that the Israelis had been recalled to get approval for one of their proposals. The report suggested that Hamas had made significant concessions over the airport and docks.
In passing, I'd point out that offensive actions while seated at the peace table have been a part of Israeli tactics in the past, but I really don't know what happened in this case (I am not in contact with Hamas).
with respect, that patently bull..In passing, I'd point out that offensive actions while seated at the peace table have been a part of Israeli tactics in the past, but I really don't know what happened in this case (I am not in contact with Hamas).
the three rocket salvo from Gaza was out of the blue, 8 hours before the end of the 5 day ceasefire (and the next 24 hour one was due to start), and preceded Israel withdrawing from the talks.
way I see it, two options:
1) one of the nutter groups got impatient and trigger happy
2) Hamas were not getting what they wanted and though they could stir the pot a bit more to garner more international bleeding hearts support to pressurise Israel with.
I have sympathy for the Palestinian people, it must be hell having to live under the conditions imposed on them, but that does not mean that I support Hammas. And the firing of rockets into Israel is to be condemned, it achieves nothing. However I would guess that the number of Israelis killed by the 80 odd rockets they fired, would be significantly less than 80 missile strikes coming from the IDF into Palestine.
If the Israeli negotiators are as blind and closed minded as you are, and the Hammas negotiators are as blind and closed minded as the pro- Hammas posters on here, then no wonder the 'war' continues.
JensenA said:
Stuffers - give it a rest.. You have no idea why the peace talks broke down, and nor do I.
excuse me!I never said I knew why, read the post you just quoted!
Look, I have enormous sympathy for the average palestinian in Gaza, as much as I do for the Israelis, it's a s
t situation, however, firing rockets whilst negotiating is not a great way forward (actually firing rockets full stop is somewhat dumb arsed.) Scuffers said:
so there you have it!
Once again, you make a statement that's clearly bull, get caught out, then try and change the subject.
can you get your blinkered head out of the anti-zionist bucket and actually try and understand what's actually going on?
We don't know for sure why the Israelis pulled out of the talks. We know why they say they pulled out of the talks. We know that rockets were fired. There's a time line between the Israeli delegates being recalled and the rockets that warrants further investigation. Simple enough for you? But neither result would surprise me. There are lying dogs and murdering bOnce again, you make a statement that's clearly bull, get caught out, then try and change the subject.
can you get your blinkered head out of the anti-zionist bucket and actually try and understand what's actually going on?
ds on both sides. I understand fairly fully what's going on. If you can't see that the original justification for the attack on Hamas was bogus (the murder of the 3 kids) and that the purpose of the whole enterprise has, historically, been to drive a "people who do not exist" (Meir on the Palestinians) and "beasts who walk on two legs" (Begin on the Palestinians) out of their land, regardless of the consequences "We must expel Arabs and take their places." ""There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?") Ben Gurion) then I'd suggest that you have your head in an anti-Palestinian bucket.
I'm quite happy to accept faults on the Palestinian side. And you?
Grumfutock said:
So Hamas fire rockets and Israel pull out of peace talks because of that. But we are now going to choose not to believe that? Maybe the evil Zionist empire fired them at themselves?
As I said, the rockets were fired. The question is of the time line. One report I read last night suggests that the Israeli delegates actually withdrew before the rockets were fired.
But, even so........... were it the case:
Hamas fire 3 rockets, Israel pull out of talks. Israel drop cluster bombs, Hezbollah remain at the peace table.
What can Israel learn from Hezbollah?
TheRealFingers99 said:
As I said, the rockets were fired.
The question is of the time line. One report I read last night suggests that the Israeli delegates actually withdrew before the rockets were fired.
But, even so........... were it the case:
Hamas fire 3 rockets, Israel pull out of talks. Israel drop cluster bombs, Hezbollah remain at the peace table.
What can Israel learn from Hezbollah?
Lol!The question is of the time line. One report I read last night suggests that the Israeli delegates actually withdrew before the rockets were fired.
But, even so........... were it the case:
Hamas fire 3 rockets, Israel pull out of talks. Israel drop cluster bombs, Hezbollah remain at the peace table.
What can Israel learn from Hezbollah?
What have hezbollah got to do with it?
And which planet are you on?
And what cluster bombs?
I am really struggling to get my head round your train of thought, it seems almost pathological blinkered?
Scuffers said:
Lol!
What have hezbollah got to do with it?
And which planet are you on?
And what cluster bombs?
I am really struggling to get my head round your train of thought, it seems almost pathological blinkered?
The train of thought is that Israel could have remained at the peace table: they could have followed the way of peace (yes, I'm being ironic) of Hezbollah. For the cluster bombs dropped by Israel on Lebanon while peace talks were in progress, causing 200+ civilian casualties, see Haaretz or UN or the BBC. What cluster bombs, indeed.What have hezbollah got to do with it?
And which planet are you on?
And what cluster bombs?
I am really struggling to get my head round your train of thought, it seems almost pathological blinkered?
If there's anyone here who is pathologically -- I'd say "sociopathically" blinkered it has to be you.
TheRealFingers99 said:
The train of thought is that Israel could have remained at the peace table: they could have followed the way of peace (yes, I'm being ironic) of Hezbollah. For the cluster bombs dropped by Israel on Lebanon while peace talks were in progress, causing 200+ civilian casualties, see Haaretz or UN or the BBC. What cluster bombs, indeed.
If there's anyone here who is pathologically -- I'd say "sociopathically" blinkered it has to be you.
I do admire your patience. You are trying to reason with someone who is complaining about falsified history by, wait for it, university professors researching middle east, because one of the universities is close to Hollywood. Same illiterati who can't spell simplest of words. Sysiphus comes to mind. If there's anyone here who is pathologically -- I'd say "sociopathically" blinkered it has to be you.
TheRealFingers99 said:
The train of thought is that Israel could have remained at the peace table: they could have followed the way of peace (yes, I'm being ironic) of Hezbollah. For the cluster bombs dropped by Israel on Lebanon while peace talks were in progress, causing 200+ civilian casualties, see Haaretz or UN or the BBC. What cluster bombs, indeed.
If there's anyone here who is pathologically -- I'd say "sociopathically" blinkered it has to be you.
excuse me, but that's a completely different conflict and time.If there's anyone here who is pathologically -- I'd say "sociopathically" blinkered it has to be you.
can you please get back into 2014 and Gaza?
I really think that you are incapable of rational thought on this, the blinkers are attached so tightly, you just can't see it.
posting up links to different conflicts years ago is beyond pointless...
Scuffers said:
excuse me, but that's a completely different conflict and time.
can you please get back into 2014 and Gaza?
I really think that you are incapable of rational thought on this, the blinkers are attached so tightly, you just can't see it.
posting up links to different conflicts years ago is beyond pointless...
As I've said to before, the state of Israel, the myth, if you like, of Israel, is founded on a 2000 year old history (or interpretation of history). Israel is there because God promised that bit of real estate to the Israelis, or so they believe (some Jews believe that God chucked them out and they will only be allowed to return in peace after the coming of the Messiah -- who is obviously not Jesus Christ, the Muslim prophet). can you please get back into 2014 and Gaza?
I really think that you are incapable of rational thought on this, the blinkers are attached so tightly, you just can't see it.
posting up links to different conflicts years ago is beyond pointless...
It's a conflict that cannot be understood, let alone decided, without reference to history. To argue otherwise is to deny any reason for the existence of Israel.
Before the Zionist adventure, Jews, Palestinians, Jordanians, Lebanese, Druze, Christians, Muslims and Syrians lived in relative peace.
Just can't see what, exactly?
If that was really the work of Hamas' propaganda bureaux, they have much to learn!
The post has been removed, (whether by Grumfuttock or the owners) but: http://conservativepost.com/gaza-corpses-caught-mo...
The source of the article is a Christian fundamentalist nutjob organisation see here and for reasons I've yet to comprehend, they support Israel.
I'd really like to know the source of the video! It's hopeless (and everyone making it seems to be laughing)!
Can't remember, but is it customary to bury Muslims wearing shoes?
The post has been removed, (whether by Grumfuttock or the owners) but: http://conservativepost.com/gaza-corpses-caught-mo...
The source of the article is a Christian fundamentalist nutjob organisation see here and for reasons I've yet to comprehend, they support Israel.
I'd really like to know the source of the video! It's hopeless (and everyone making it seems to be laughing)!
Can't remember, but is it customary to bury Muslims wearing shoes?
Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Wednesday 20th August 19:36
Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Wednesday 20th August 19:38
TheRealFingers99 said:
If that was really the work of Hamas' propaganda bureaux, they have much to learn!
The post has been removed, (whether by Grumfuttock or the owners) but: http://conservativepost.com/gaza-corpses-caught-mo...
The source of the article is a Christian fundamentalist nutjob organisation see here and for reasons I've yet to comprehend, they support Israel.
I'd really like to know the source of the video! It's hopeless (and everyone making it seems to be laughing)!
Can't remember, but is it customary to bury Muslims wearing shoes?
After further research it would appear to have been filmed in Egypt and, once I realised this, I removed it. I wouldn't want to be accused of posting lies or not doing my homework. The post has been removed, (whether by Grumfuttock or the owners) but: http://conservativepost.com/gaza-corpses-caught-mo...
The source of the article is a Christian fundamentalist nutjob organisation see here and for reasons I've yet to comprehend, they support Israel.
I'd really like to know the source of the video! It's hopeless (and everyone making it seems to be laughing)!
Can't remember, but is it customary to bury Muslims wearing shoes?
Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Wednesday 20th August 19:36
Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Wednesday 20th August 19:38
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