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burwoodman

18,709 posts

245 months

Saturday 30th August 2014
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It was close to midnight and unlike you I don't have a username with the endurance yours does;)


Countdown

39,691 posts

195 months

Saturday 30th August 2014
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burwoodman said:
without being rude, I think it fair to say that whilst some of what you have to say is valid, you don't have the ability to debate at the level of Grump. You go off topic and waffle a bit (sorry) whereas he appears to have a better understanding of the issues at hand and is not as emotive. I don't really have a dog in this fight.
I have to say I disagree (unless you think being evasive, digressing, avoiding the question etc. are signs of a good "debater"). Take the example above where he argues about how hot or cold the Sahara is. I'd suggest most people knew what allnighter meant when he made his desert comment but GFT wandered down a different pathway - because it's easier to argue about the variability of desert climates than to defend Israel's actions.

He certainly hasn't demonstrated a better understanding of the matters than others and, IMO, is just as emotive.

allnighter

6,663 posts

221 months

Saturday 30th August 2014
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Grumfutock said:
allnighter said:
o just as I thought burwoodman, no evidence of your assertion and just pure conjuncture on your part because as I suspect you do have a dog in this fight.
I have humoured you so far, and you turned out to be another random troll with the nonsense you came up with so far.
PS: Every time someone starts some random nonsense with the phrase "without being rude" you can almost guarantee that's exactly what they're going to be.
Jog on matey!
Without being rude but I draw the courts attention to exhibit A:


allnighter said:
You have the intellectual ability of a canary.
says a man who has gone off topic in this thread more times than Ronnie Corbett in his prologue!

allnighter

6,663 posts

221 months

Saturday 30th August 2014
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Countdown said:
burwoodman said:
without being rude, I think it fair to say that whilst some of what you have to say is valid, you don't have the ability to debate at the level of Grump. You go off topic and waffle a bit (sorry) whereas he appears to have a better understanding of the issues at hand and is not as emotive. I don't really have a dog in this fight.
I have to say I disagree (unless you think being evasive, digressing, avoiding the question etc. are signs of a good "debater"). Take the example above where he argues about how hot or cold the Sahara is. I'd suggest most people knew what allnighter meant when he made his desert comment but GFT wandered down a different pathway - because it's easier to argue about the variability of desert climates than to defend Israel's actions.

He certainly hasn't demonstrated a better understanding of the matters than others and, IMO, is just as emotive.
All I see him doing is pissing on all four corners of this thread marking his territory and trying to derail the thread talking about random stuff unrelated to the topic and avoiding direct questions. It's like he is reliving his army career all over again. The classic was him refuting the letter that 968 posted without any basis or knowledge of the history of the conflict whatsoever. It was quite comical seeing him using weasel words and pissing some more urine around him!

Edited by allnighter on Saturday 30th August 10:38

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

164 months

Saturday 30th August 2014
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allnighter said:
All I see him doing is pissing on all four corners of this thread marking his territory and trying to derail the thread talking about random stuff unrelated to the topic and avoiding direct questions. It's like he is reliving his army career all over again. The classic was him refuting the letter that 968 posted without any basis or knowledge of the history of the conflict whatsoever. It was quite comical seeing him using weasel words and pissing some more urine around him!

Edited by allnighter on Saturday 30th August 10:38
And exhibit B.

Well done. Really outstanding debating. You have, without meeting me or having the remotest knowledge of my experiences, decided on my entire life, knowledge and intellect. Truly the work of a genius sir.

allnighter

6,663 posts

221 months

Saturday 30th August 2014
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Grumfutock said:
allnighter said:
All I see him doing is pissing on all four corners of this thread marking his territory and trying to derail the thread talking about random stuff unrelated to the topic and avoiding direct questions. It's like he is reliving his army career all over again. The classic was him refuting the letter that 968 posted without any basis or knowledge of the history of the conflict whatsoever. It was quite comical seeing him using weasel words and pissing some more urine around him!

Edited by allnighter on Saturday 30th August 10:38
And exhibit B.

Well done. Really outstanding debating. You have, without meeting me or having the remotest knowledge of my experiences, decided on my entire life, knowledge and intellect. Truly the work of a genius sir.
Well I did not want to piss on your parade all along and left you to get on with it but then you decided to get personal with me. It's only fair that I tell you it as it is soldier boy. No hard feelings! X

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

164 months

Saturday 30th August 2014
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allnighter said:
Well I did not want to piss on your parade all along and left you to get on with it but then you decided to get personal with me. It's only fair that I tell you it as it is soldier boy. No hard feelings! X
I refer you to my previous post.

And I got personal? Really? Care to point that out?

allnighter

6,663 posts

221 months

Saturday 30th August 2014
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Grumfutock said:
allnighter said:
Well I did not want to piss on your parade all along and left you to get on with it but then you decided to get personal with me. It's only fair that I tell you it as it is soldier boy. No hard feelings! X
I refer you to my previous post.

And I got personal? Really? Care to point that out?
Your previous posts are what YOU should be reading again matey!

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

164 months

Saturday 30th August 2014
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allnighter said:
Your previous posts are what YOU should be reading again matey!
Oh but I insist! Please show me where I "decided to get personal". It is you that have made the accusation not I and it is you that should provide the evidence.

All I have done is highlight your regular fall back plan of insulting people and then claiming innocence. I posted proof that you do exactly that. I then, for my troubles, have you accusing me of the exact same thing. All I ask is for you to post your evidence of me personally abusing you or as you phrased it "decided to get personal with me."



Slaav

4,240 posts

209 months

Saturday 30th August 2014
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Are we past the stage where you guys 'get a room'?

I am not sure that it have seen another thread where people gripe at and insult each other as much as this one! When I have contributed myself personally, before dipping out (doh! Again) I thought it had got as bad as possible..... Oh how wrong I was smile

Now is there any wonder that the two 'sides' of this conflict cannot sit down and sort it out?

At least the ceasefire seems to be holding and surprise surprise, some small concessions from Israel seem to have cornered the Palestinians and especially Hamas? Why did this not happen earlier?

Turning a thumb screw whilst demanding your prisoner surrenders will never stop 'fanatical' freedom fighters who happen to be related to your prisoner? Obvious really?

And Scuffers, that very poor poster hardly helps matters on here does it? A cheap propaganda attempt?

Can we please try and wind it all back a little and discuss or debate rather than insult? I understand it is frustrating at times but surely we are all a little better than the last few pages (especially) ?

(I'm still reading it all and an awful lot of other stuff so the thread is still worthwhile IMHO )

beer



allnighter

6,663 posts

221 months

Saturday 30th August 2014
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Grumfutock said:
allnighter said:
Your previous posts are what YOU should be reading again matey!
Oh but I insist! Please show me where I "decided to get personal". It is you that have made the accusation not I and it is you that should provide the evidence.

All I have done is highlight your regular fall back plan of insulting people and then claiming innocence. I posted proof that you do exactly that. I then, for my troubles, have you accusing me of the exact same thing. All I ask is for you to post your evidence of me personally abusing you or as you phrased it "decided to get personal with me."
I am the last person on this thread to suffer from 'closed mindedness', like the one you exhibited when you decided to get involved in the cross fire between me and another poster.
Remember it was your rules not mine (not to get involved in an exchange between two posters), and funnily that is exactly what you keep doing! Little snaps here and there, sometimes using meme to insult, and sometimes using interventions like the bit about the Sahara desert insinuating "closed mindedness", which is a bit rich coming from someone who cannot refute a letter written by highly regarded intellectuals.
Incapable of doing it with a well informed argument based on the history of the conflict, citing your source as "ME".

If that's not being closed minded I do not know what is?, but there again I left you to it in your exchange with 968 and other posters.

Then you have a cheek to break your own "rules" and get in the cross fire without knowing the context in which the "canary brain" was used nor knowing the context in the bit about the "Sahara desert".
You got personal by accusing me of being "closed minded" and having "preconceived ideas".I take exception to that when it's coming from you!
This coming from a guy who has never met League in person but insists he's an Arab and using Arabic words every time you had a chance ya hmar! (ask your Tunisian mate what it means).
I would suggest you take it on the chin as much as you like to dish it out!

I have met some clever people on this thread and I hate to burst you bubble but you are NOT one of them (nor I claim to be one).

It takes posters pages and pages to get you to understand a basic point because you are so entrenched in your position accusing everyone who opposes you as being pro-Hamas and inviting them to go on supporting terrorists in a vain attempt to discredit them, and poo poo everything they said, however reasoned their argument was.
This is what it's like debating with you! It's tiresome and that's why I avoid commenting on your posts!


Edited by allnighter on Saturday 30th August 14:15

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

164 months

Saturday 30th August 2014
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So still no evidence or punctuation? OK I will move on. You have clearly demonstrated the level you are at for all of PH to see.

allnighter

6,663 posts

221 months

Saturday 30th August 2014
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Apologies for the lack of punctuation I was using my archaic Nokia phone.As for the evidence I have given you plenty to chew on.

ETA: Punctuation fixed now.

Edited by allnighter on Saturday 30th August 14:13

allnighter

6,663 posts

221 months

Saturday 30th August 2014
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Slaav said:
Turning a thumb screw whilst demanding your prisoner surrenders will never stop 'fanatical' freedom fighters who happen to be related to your prisoner? Obvious really?
yes I think you hit it on the head there definitely.

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

164 months

Saturday 30th August 2014
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allnighter said:
Apologies for the lack of punctuation I was using my archaic Nokia phone.As for the evidence I have given you plenty to chew on.

ETA: Punctuation fixed now.

Edited by allnighter on Saturday 30th August 14:13
Evidence of my personal attacks? Er no, no you haven't. Not one, despite the requests to do so. But that appears to be the norm on here these days. Just say what you want an not back it up, I mean why should mere facts get in the way of a good trolling hey?

I wont continue this so I will bid you farewell. Tattay chooso (and that it is personal)!

allnighter

6,663 posts

221 months

Saturday 30th August 2014
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Grumfutock said:
allnighter said:
Apologies for the lack of punctuation I was using my archaic Nokia phone.As for the evidence I have given you plenty to chew on.

ETA: Punctuation fixed now.

Edited by allnighter on Saturday 30th August 14:13
Evidence of my personal attacks? Er no, no you haven't. Not one, despite the requests to do so. But that appears to be the norm on here these days. Just say what you want an not back it up, I mean why should mere facts get in the way of a good trolling hey?

I wont continue this so I will bid you farewell. Tattay chooso (and that it is personal)!
I refer the honourable gentleman to the reply I gave above.

Tattay chooso back to you with knobs on matey.

Shaw Tarse

31,543 posts

202 months

Saturday 30th August 2014
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Debate is fine, but keep things civil, or lose the right to post in the thread.

burwoodman

18,709 posts

245 months

Saturday 30th August 2014
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isn't the thread just a small reflection of the real issue? It will not be resolved easily and tensions mounting-i say close it.

Qwert1e

545 posts

117 months

Saturday 30th August 2014
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Grumfutock said:
So still no evidence or punctuation? OK I will move on. You have clearly demonstrated the level you are at for all of PH to see.
Speaking of which, a few pages back you said that supporting Israel doesn't amount to supporting Zionism. I'm sure we'd all be keen to hear more about exactly how that works - given that Israel declares itself the Jewish state and all that.

allnighter

6,663 posts

221 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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Qwert1e said:
Grumfutock said:
So still no evidence or punctuation? OK I will move on. You have clearly demonstrated the level you are at for all of PH to see.
Speaking of which, a few pages back you said that supporting Israel doesn't amount to supporting Zionism. I'm sure we'd all be keen to hear more about exactly how that works - given that Israel declares itself the Jewish state and all that.
Careful now he might go 'threaders' on you and use Urdu to invite you or any Phers who disagree with him to suck his b***s. This thread is a virtual Army barracks to him.