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TheRealFingers99 said:
Come on, Mr. G is one tough opponent. Slippery as hell sometimes, but this thread would be much less interesting without him.
I beg to differ. He is an odious and vile man who has no hesitation to using vulgarity to fend off any criticism of him. We have lost an important contributor to this thread many pages ago because Grum insinuated he was a kiddie-fiddler, an unwarranted accusation in the spirit of what was being discussed in this thread and the importance of this topic. This is not the first time he has invited people to suck his b***s on here, then he wonders why he's a subject of ridicule. We can do without ignorant knuckle draggers like him TBH. AIMO.allnighter said:
I beg to differ. He is an odious and vile man who has no hesitation to using vulgarity to fend off any criticism of him. We have lost an important contributor to this thread many pages ago because Grum insinuated he was a kiddie-fiddler, an unwarranted accusation in the spirit of what was being discussed in this thread and the importance of this topic.
Where was this? TheRealFingers99 said:
allnighter said:
I beg to differ. He is an odious and vile man who has no hesitation to using vulgarity to fend off any criticism of him. We have lost an important contributor to this thread many pages ago because Grum insinuated he was a kiddie-fiddler, an unwarranted accusation in the spirit of what was being discussed in this thread and the importance of this topic.
Where was this? allnighter said:
On here, in this very thread. The contributor is in the teaching profession, and he is what I consider a progressive Jew who is a vocal anti-Israel and its policy of apartheid and you can only imagine the seriousness of such a defamatory personal attack no matter how much this poster was criticising this Neanderthal.
Indeed, yes. I'll have to dig it out. I'd have sought legal advice. TheRealFingers99 said:
Indeed, yes. I'll have to dig it out. I'd have sought legal advice.
13 august this thread. Grum implied things about Mr S. I'll not quote the post, because I am sure the recipient of Grum's nudge nudge wink wink accusation would prefer it not to get more airtime.Some people on this thread make the error of allowing Grum to wind them up. He obviously enjoys this, so I refuse to give him the pleasure.
burwoodman said:
isn't the thread just a small reflection of the real issue? It will not be resolved easily and tensions mounting-i say close it.
It does mirror the real-world situation doesn't it? It's gone from a valid discussion about how both sides in the conflict are as much to blame for it, progressed through a stage where one side has 'only' killed x number of civilians whereas the other side had killed multiples of x, to the stage where now this debate is little more than playground name-calling; "Your mum", "No, YOUR mum", (not direct quotes but at about the same level).I'm assuming that everyone agrees that the following needs to happen in the real-world:
1. Israel needs to stop building the illegal settlements and stop bombing Gaza.
2. Hamas needs to stop trying to tunnel troops into Israel and stop rocketing them.
RedTrident said:
And the truth is even if the tunnels were all closed and Hamas' rockets stop completely, Israel would not stop building the settlements.
Sad, but true. Israel have been expanding at a steady pace right from the get-go and will continue to encroach on Palestinian land until in a hundred years time Zionists will be saying "but there wasn't even a country called Palestine so how could we have taken their land??!??"It's foolish to think that Israel want a recognised Palestinian state with internationally recognised borders. The status-quo suits Israel perfectly as it gives them (false) legitimacy to continue with their expansion ambitions. Very sad for peace loving Israeli's and Palestinians alike.
So the keyboard warrior just cant stop can he. Despite following me to a completely different and totally unrelated thread, raising points from this one and then abusing me, I am in the wrong?
Name calling doesn't worry me remotely as I am not a child in the school yard, however some posters on here still seem to be little boys at heart. I have brushed aside countless insults and petty attempts to gain a rise.
Some have even trolled through the entire thread (all 311 pages) just to get a little dirt on me. But as usual their childish and biased quoting lets them down as they have a complete inability offer a full representation of the events that took place. I did not "insinuated he was a kiddie-fiddler", if the thread is read and the posts prior to it, you will see that an analogy was made between the teaching profession, a lack of entertainment and the historic legal cases in the press now.
I would suspect that if it was the way some are now trying to portray then he would of complained, a mod would of removed it and/or I would of been banned. Did that happen? No!
And while we are airing our views and making accusations, it wasn't I that started the use of foreign languages was it? I carried it on when others had used it in an attempt to look good.
But it is OK to hurl "vile and odious" comments at me is it? I offer you just one example:
"sado, who spent 20 years of his pathetic life being a cannon fodder because obvious lack of education and lack of any sign of intellect forced his career choice"
Now I don't claim to have been in the Military as some sort of righteous crusade to defend truth and justice. I joined because I didn't have many other opportunities in my early life. I served 22 years, in many hostile countries and saw many things that I wish I hadn't. However I took the opportunity that the Army offered to improve my education. I attended night school and studied. I read and attempted an OU twice, sadly both attempts failed due to circumstances being against me. I was sent to Bosnia and on the 2nd attempt I was seriously injured.
I only raise all of the above points to highlight that yes I am guilty of name calling and abusive post. But no more than just about every single one of you.
To some I say "keep going" as the mental challenge is fun. To others I say "jog on little boys and grow up." Which ever cap fits, kindly wear.
Name calling doesn't worry me remotely as I am not a child in the school yard, however some posters on here still seem to be little boys at heart. I have brushed aside countless insults and petty attempts to gain a rise.
Some have even trolled through the entire thread (all 311 pages) just to get a little dirt on me. But as usual their childish and biased quoting lets them down as they have a complete inability offer a full representation of the events that took place. I did not "insinuated he was a kiddie-fiddler", if the thread is read and the posts prior to it, you will see that an analogy was made between the teaching profession, a lack of entertainment and the historic legal cases in the press now.
I would suspect that if it was the way some are now trying to portray then he would of complained, a mod would of removed it and/or I would of been banned. Did that happen? No!
And while we are airing our views and making accusations, it wasn't I that started the use of foreign languages was it? I carried it on when others had used it in an attempt to look good.
But it is OK to hurl "vile and odious" comments at me is it? I offer you just one example:
"sado, who spent 20 years of his pathetic life being a cannon fodder because obvious lack of education and lack of any sign of intellect forced his career choice"
Now I don't claim to have been in the Military as some sort of righteous crusade to defend truth and justice. I joined because I didn't have many other opportunities in my early life. I served 22 years, in many hostile countries and saw many things that I wish I hadn't. However I took the opportunity that the Army offered to improve my education. I attended night school and studied. I read and attempted an OU twice, sadly both attempts failed due to circumstances being against me. I was sent to Bosnia and on the 2nd attempt I was seriously injured.
I only raise all of the above points to highlight that yes I am guilty of name calling and abusive post. But no more than just about every single one of you.
To some I say "keep going" as the mental challenge is fun. To others I say "jog on little boys and grow up." Which ever cap fits, kindly wear.
Qwert1e said:
Grumfutock said:
So still no evidence or punctuation? OK I will move on. You have clearly demonstrated the level you are at for all of PH to see.
Speaking of which, a few pages back you said that supporting Israel doesn't amount to supporting Zionism. I'm sure we'd all be keen to hear more about exactly how that works - given that Israel declares itself the Jewish state and all that.Do I support Zionism? No. Do I support occupying the areas under discussion? No. Do I understand why they occupy them? Yes.
As I have repeatedly said during this thread they are there to gain space. Space that they can then trade for time, if and when the Arab world decide to unite against them in military action.
It is really that simple.
Grumfutock said:
Quite simply I have great sympathy for Israel as they have been set upon from all side since 48. They have fought well and defeated these attacks, showing great bravery in the process.
Do I support Zionism? No. Do I support occupying the areas under discussion? No. Do I understand why they occupy them? Yes.
As I have repeatedly said during this thread they are there to gain space. Space that they can then trade for time, if and when the Arab world decide to unite against them in military action.
It is really that simple.
Your assertion is partially wrong, why was the entire Sinai peninsula returned to Egypt after the Yom Kippur war? It was returned as part of a PEACE deal. The benefits of a peace deal outweighed the benefits of a defensive land buffer. Do I support Zionism? No. Do I support occupying the areas under discussion? No. Do I understand why they occupy them? Yes.
As I have repeatedly said during this thread they are there to gain space. Space that they can then trade for time, if and when the Arab world decide to unite against them in military action.
It is really that simple.
The Golan heights were not returned to Syria as they do provide a strategic defensible position, and without a viable peace treaty, it is too much of a risk to return.
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Your assertion is partially wrong, why was the entire Sinai peninsula returned to Egypt after the Yom Kippur war? It was returned as part of a PEACE deal. The benefits of a peace deal outweighed the benefits of a defensive land buffer.
The Golan heights were not returned to Syria as they do provide a strategic defensible position, and without a viable peace treaty, it is too much of a risk to return.
I would point out that part of the deal between Egypt and Israel is that they can only have very limited troops in the Sinai and that is monitored by a Multinational force of observers. So in the context of a buffer it is still very valid as no surprise attack can come from there and it frees up troops to defend/man other borders.The Golan heights were not returned to Syria as they do provide a strategic defensible position, and without a viable peace treaty, it is too much of a risk to return.
Grumfutock said:
I would point out that part of the deal between Egypt and Israel is that they can only have very limited troops in the Sinai and that is monitored by a Multinational force of observers. So in the context of a buffer it is still very valid as no surprise attack can come from there.
Agreed, but internal "settlement buffers" are pointless and provide no strategic benefit at all, besides providing propaganda material for Hamas.That whole peace deal thing can work rather well, when both sides actually want it.
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Agreed, but internal "settlement buffers" are pointless and provide no strategic benefit at all, besides providing propaganda material for Hamas.
That whole peace deal thing can work rather well, when both sides actually want it.
The trouble is they rejected it in 67. It would also give them an excellent location for artillery once again.That whole peace deal thing can work rather well, when both sides actually want it.
Grum, I am not going to quote your lengthy post, but I will point out that the person you posted about did take offense at what he thought you implied, which is why I remembered the exchange, and found it pretty quickly.
Regarding people following you around, if several of us are interested in the same subjects, we will likely read and comment on multiple threads.
Regarding people following you around, if several of us are interested in the same subjects, we will likely read and comment on multiple threads.
AW111 said:
Grum, I am not going to quote your lengthy post, but I will point out that the person you posted about did take offense at what he thought you implied, which is why I remembered the exchange, and found it pretty quickly.
Regarding people following you around, if several of us are interested in the same subjects, we will likely read and comment on multiple threads.
And as I have said, I took great offense at some of the things said to me, not implied, but said. But again, apparently that is acceptable as I am a "odious and vile man" and mere "cannon fodder".Regarding people following you around, if several of us are interested in the same subjects, we will likely read and comment on multiple threads.
Following around allowed? Of course we are, that isn't the issue. But when comments are taken from the Israeli thread to the Galloway one, with zero relevance, then that is trolling don't you agree?
But I will leave it at that as I have no interest in this childish and petty backbiting. Some on here are no better than little petulant children who want their own way and will be ignored. I have no time for suffers of the "little man" syndrome or keyboard warriors. I personally think there are some on here that are oxygen thieves and should seriously consider entering the Darwin Awards.
Others, that have a spine and a brain cell, I will happily reply to and continue the debate with.
Edited by Grumfutock on Sunday 31st August 13:01
Edited by Grumfutock on Sunday 31st August 13:41
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