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Mermaid

21,492 posts

170 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
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So we carry on, business as usual.

TheRealFingers99

1,996 posts

127 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
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Mermaid said:
So we carry on, business as usual.
Or not. There won't/can't be a quick break through, is my feeling. But I'm still hopeful.

The biggest problem, I feel, is the Palestinians really have bugger all to loose.

Mermaid

21,492 posts

170 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
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TheRealFingers99 said:
The biggest problem, I feel, is the Palestinians really have bugger all to loose.
The Saudis should fund buying shares in Israeli companies, and give them gratis to the Palestinians. An also shares in a peace fund (funded by the US), the value of which keeps going up so long as there is no violence. wink

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

164 months

Friday 21st November 2014
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Utterly amazing. Having been away for a week with no internet access I return to find that apart from one post by Zuby condemning the murder of 5 people at prayer the rest of the pro terrorist camp have just skated over the attack and prattled on about a riot being broken up by police. Hang your heads in shame!!!!!

You have categorically and irrevocably shown your true colours and by your complete lack of interest in any Israeli death almost as if it is justified. And you say you want peace? Sorry but I no longer believe you at all, you want revenge!

The pro terrorist camp on here has repeatedly said that they are not Arab or members of the religion of peace but I am now at a point where I just do not believe that. Charlatans and agent provocateurs.

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

164 months

Friday 21st November 2014
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Oh and expect more of the same style attacks! Or are you going to try and excuse this as all intended for a boy scout camp?

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=8882568411870...

TheRealFingers99

1,996 posts

127 months

Friday 21st November 2014
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Grumfutock said:
Utterly amazing. Having been away for a week with no internet access I return to find that apart from one post by Zuby condemning the murder of 5 people at prayer the rest of the pro terrorist camp have just skated over the attack and prattled on about a riot being broken up by police. Hang your heads in shame!!!!!

You have categorically and irrevocably shown your true colours and by your complete lack of interest in any Israeli death almost as if it is justified. And you say you want peace? Sorry but I no longer believe you at all, you want revenge!

The pro terrorist camp on here has repeatedly said that they are not Arab or members of the religion of peace but I am now at a point where I just do not believe that. Charlatans and agent provocateurs.
More horsepoo and righteous indignation. This from the guy who states that casualties are inevitable in war (talking of, what, 1000 deaths and 50,000 homeless) and proposes the nuking of the west bank as a solution!

Incidentally, one of the people killed (not 5 at prayer -- at least get your facts right) was a Druze Arab -- the policeman. If the poor guy had not done his military service he'd have spent 3 years in jail, been generally disenfranchised, and not been able to become a policeman. A Jewish refusenik would either have got off scot free or had to serve months.

If we were to comment on every incident (and this appears to have been a lone wolf one) we'd be here all day, every day.

All murders, all casualties of the conflict are to be condemned.

Everyone else who is on here regularly has done so -- with one major exception -- you, Grumfutock, you.

Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Saturday 22 November 00:25

TheRealFingers99

1,996 posts

127 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Grumfutock said:
Oh and expect more of the same style attacks! Or are you going to try and excuse this as all intended for a boy scout camp?

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=8882568411870...
The incident was covered perfectly adequately in the Times of Israel, thank you very much, no need to rely on your legion of Nakba deniers to supply you with pre-digested stories.

Looks like there may be a third intefada: wonder why?

Still, I'd rather be confronted by a knife, sword, firecracker or taser than an Ouzi, F-16, Apache or Merkava, wouldn't you?

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

164 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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TheRealFingers99 said:
More horsepoo and righteous indignation. This from the guy who states that casualties are inevitable in war (talking of, what, 1000 deaths and 50,000 homeless) and proposes the nuking of the west bank as a solution!
It was a joke, as already discussed so why do you keep referring to it and misrepresenting the statement?

TheRealFingers99 said:
Incidentally, one of the people killed (not 5 at prayer -- at least get your facts right) was a Druze Arab -- the policeman. If the poor guy had not done his military service he'd have spent 3 years in jail, been generally disenfranchised, and not been able to become a policeman. A Jewish refusenik would either have got off scot free or had to serve months.
Where do I say he was a Jew? I suggest you get your fact straight!

TheRealFingers99 said:
If we were to comment on every incident (and this appears to have been a lone wolf one) we'd be here all day, every day.
You mean like you do every single time a Palestinian is arrested, hurt during a riot or has his house blown up for being a terrorist? Lone wolf? I don't think so. This is the new tactic and method of attack. Stabbings on train stations, cars into tram stops etc. Not lone wolf at all!

TheRealFingers99 said:
All murders, all casualties of the conflict are to be condemned.

Everyone else who is on here regularly has done so -- with one major exception -- you, Grumfutock, you.
Are they??? I didn't see you condemn this attack? Maybe I missed it amongst your pro Hamas rhetoric but I don't think so. I do not condemned all killings as some are justified. If you commit or attempt to commit a terrorist attack and you are killed in the process should I condemn that killing? I feel not.

I believe in consequence of action. If a Palestinian throws a petrol bomb at an Israeli soldier why the hell would you be surprised when he shoots you? Is it an evil act? Should it be condemned? Or should the idiot who threw the petrol bomb be condemned? If you are a member of the religion of peace then of course you cry foul and point at the soldier. Why? Because he is a Jew and your propaganda machine has conditioned you to hate them. Is that racist? I think so. Is that wrong? I think so. But should the death be condemned? No! His actions caused it.

Do you weep for the Palestinians that Hamas regularly execute for "spying" with no trial or right to appeal? Not that I have seen and I wonder why!

TheRealFingers99

1,996 posts

127 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Grumfutock said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
More horsepoo and righteous indignation. This from the guy who states that casualties are inevitable in war (talking of, what, 1000 deaths and 50,000 homeless) and proposes the nuking of the west bank as a solution!
It was a joke, as already discussed so why do you keep referring to it and misrepresenting the statement?
First time, IIRC, that you've told us it was a joke. Elsewhere you told us that the Israelis would withdraw before the nuclear attack. That was a joke, too?
Grumfutock said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
Incidentally, one of the people killed (not 5 at prayer -- at least get your facts right) was a Druze Arab -- the policeman. If the poor guy had not done his military service he'd have spent 3 years in jail, been generally disenfranchised, and not been able to become a policeman. A Jewish refusenik would either have got off scot free or had to serve months.
Where do I say he was a Jew? I suggest you get your fact straight!
Get your head on straight, Corporal! You say 5 people at prayer. The attacks took place in a Synagogue. Rather obviously, a Druze isn't going to be praying at a Synagogue.

Can I take your failure to argue with the rest as an admission of Israel's marginalisation of Israeli Arabs? Will you and your Facebook posse of Nakba deniers campaign for the equal treatment of Arab Israelis?

Grumfutock said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
All murders, all casualties of the conflict are to be condemned.

Everyone else who is on here regularly has done so -- with one major exception -- you, Grumfutock, you.
Are they??? I didn't see you condemn this attack?
Because I condemn all attacks I don't have to specifically condemn this one. It's that simple.

I too believe in the consequences of actions. I don't believe that that justifies them, morally, but it makes them comprehensible.

A brutal force of occupation -- not my words, but those of Shalom, the beast of the Shin Bet -- will suffer the consequences.

And I see no solution from you short of nuking.

Now, get back to reading Julie Birchill.

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

164 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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TheRealFingers99 said:
Grumfutock said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
All murders, all casualties of the conflict are to be condemned.

Everyone else who is on here regularly has done so -- with one major exception -- you, Grumfutock, you.
Are they??? I didn't see you condemn this attack?
Because I condemn all attacks I don't have to specifically condemn this one. It's that simple.

I too believe in the consequences of actions. I don't believe that that justifies them, morally, but it makes them comprehensible.

A brutal force of occupation -- not my words, but those of Shalom, the beast of the Shin Bet -- will suffer the consequences.

And I see no solution from you short of nuking.

Now, get back to reading Julie Birchill.
And so you see the true picture of your Arab propaganda! If you just keep sucking up the horse st that they produce, if you fail to ever see any wrong in what you do and if you continue to spread your evil and anti sematic hatred then how do you expect any peace, ever!

Good luck to you my Muslim friend. Long live your crusade and long live your religion of peace, Muhammad would be proud of you!

Now get back to building that vest, the sooner you use it the sooner we can get some peace on here!

Edited by Grumfutock on Saturday 22 November 10:05

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39,690 posts

195 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Grumfutock said:
I didn't see you condemn blah blah blah?
You seem very eager to jump up snd down about palestinian attacks and yet justify Israeli actions by saying "its all the Palestinians fault". do you not think thats a tad hypocritical?

To avoid you having to waste bandwidth I totally and utterly condemn the attacks by Palestinians. Just as I condemn certain actions carried out by the Israeli govt (seizing land, demolishing homes etc.) I don't try to justify one set of atrocities.

TheRealFingers99

1,996 posts

127 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Grumfutock said:
And so you see the true picture of your Arab propaganda! If you just keep sucking up the horse st that they produce, if you fail to ever see any wrong in what you do and if you continue to spread your evil and anti sematic hatred then how do you expect any peace, ever!

Good luck to you my Muslim friend. Long live your crusade and long live your religion of peace, Muhammad would be proud of you!

Now get back to building that vest, the sooner you use it the sooner we can get some peace on here!

Edited by Grumfutock on Saturday 22 November 10:05
You will get no peace, in this world or the next (if there is, indeed, such a place).

The real anti-Semite here is a hate filled, spiteful little Corporal -- as I've said before, with friends like you, Israel really doesn't need enemies: you and your posse screw up every last hope of peace, every last hope of a vibrant, peaceful, Israel.

This is a sin because, for all the bloodshed, it could be a fine place, for Jew, Christian, Druze, Muslim and Atheist. If the Kurds can do it (with a little inspiration from a Jew and one-time Zionist), why not in Israel?

And incidentally, I've still to see any viable, non-nuclear, solution to the crisis from you.






Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Saturday 22 November 10:35

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

164 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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TheRealFingers99 said:
You will get no peace, in this world or the next (if there is, indeed, such a place).
Spoken like a true and fully paid up member of the religion of peace. You are the biggest fatah I have come across on PH.

TheRealFingers99 said:
The real anti-Semite here is a hate filled, spiteful little Corporal -- as I've said before, with friends like you, Israel really doesn't need enemies: you and your posse screw up every last hope of peace, every last hope of a vibrant, peaceful, Israel.
So I am pro Israel but some how anti-Semite? WOW! Even by your warped and twisted logic that is impressive. Oh and well done with the insults. Again I ask you, do you think them up yourself or do you hire a comedy writer? Why not just throw your shoe at me?

TheRealFingers99 said:
This is a sin because, for all the bloodshed, it could be a fine place, for Jew, Christian, Druze, Muslim and Atheist. If the Kurds can do it (with a little inspiration from a Jew and one-time Zionist), why not in Israel?
Yea because the Kurds aren't involved in any fighting and are living a wonderfully peaceful life!!! Get your head out you arse!

TheRealFingers99 said:
And incidentally, I've still to see any viable, non-nuclear, solution to the crisis from you.
And for the tenth and final time, I will even put it in capitals as you seem to struggle to read and remember this: STOP THE TERRORISM, ADMIT ISRAEL HAS A RIGHT TO EXIST, REMOVE HAMAS AND THEN TALK!!!!!

All viable, all non-nuke and a solution to peace. You don't like it and you wont accept it but I don't care. You ask the question and that is my answer. Has been all along. But please don't ask again as this is really boring having to repeat the same thing.

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39,690 posts

195 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Grumfutock said:
And for the tenth and final time, I will even put it in capitals as you seem to struggle to read and remember this: STOP THE TERRORISM, ACCEPT THAT PALESTINIANS HAVE EXACTLY THE SAME RIGHTS AS ISRAELIS TO LIVE IN ISRAEL AND THE WEST BANK, REMOVE ZIONISTS AND THEN TALK!!!!!

All viable, all non-nuke and a solution to peace. You don't like it and you wont accept it but I don't care. You ask the question and that is my answer. Has been all along. But please don't ask again as this is really boring having to repeat the same thing.
Any reason why your original statement is ok but the editing above isn't ?

I note you've still not condemned the actions of the Israeli Govt.

ETA you do realise that Israelis aren't the ONLY Semites in that part of the world..... Don't you?

Mermaid

21,492 posts

170 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Grumfutock said:
And for the tenth and final time, I will even put it in capitals as you seem to struggle to read and remember this: STOP THE TERRORISM, ADMIT ISRAEL HAS A RIGHT TO EXIST, REMOVE HAMAS AND THEN TALK!!!!!

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Israelis have moved on, the Palestinians need to do the same - violence will not move their agenda forward. Merely an impasse.

Countdown

39,690 posts

195 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Mermaid said:
Israelis have moved on, the Palestinians need to do the same - violence will not move their agenda forward. Merely an impasse.
Moved on?

Yes they have. More settlement building, more land annexation, and more expressions of faux-horror that the Palestnians don't want peace. If only they'd accept Israels right to exist!!! Then ALL THIS would stop overnight......

I doubt even Grum is that gullible tbh.

TheRealFingers99

1,996 posts

127 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Grumfutock said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
You will get no peace, in this world or the next (if there is, indeed, such a place).
Spoken like a true and fully paid up member of the religion of peace. You are the biggest fatah I have come across on PH.
I'm actually one of the biggest Atheists you'll ever come across on PH. Note that Atheism is incompatible with Fatah/Hamas. atheist vs. muslim.
Grumfutock said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
The real anti-Semite here is a hate filled, spiteful little Corporal -- as I've said before, with friends like you, Israel really doesn't need enemies: you and your posse screw up every last hope of peace, every last hope of a vibrant, peaceful, Israel.
So I am pro Israel but some how anti-Semite? WOW! Even by your warped and twisted logic that is impressive.
Hardly -- the point is that your "policies", those of the loony Israeli right -- would see the dismantling of Israel and hence its destruction. By default, therefore, if not by design, you are an anti-Semite. I know you have problems with irony, but........
Grumfutock said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
This is a sin because, for all the bloodshed, it could be a fine place, for Jew, Christian, Druze, Muslim and Atheist. If the Kurds can do it (with a little inspiration from a Jew and one-time Zionist), why not in Israel?
Yea because the Kurds aren't involved in any fighting and are living a wonderfully peaceful life!!! Get your head out you arse!
And the Israelis are living a wonderful, peaceful, life?

If you've not noticed, the Rojava is winning against opposition which makes Hamas and Hezbollah combined look like the Manx armed forces. Winning a war which is being fought ethically (in so far as that is possible) and incorporating Muslims, Christians, "Devil Worshippers", Atheists, Chechens, Turkomen, Kurds, Assyrians and Arabs. Look Ma, no ethnic cleansing! Look Ma, equal rights for all! Look Ma, Democracy!
Grumfutock said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
And incidentally, I've still to see any viable, non-nuclear, solution to the crisis from you.
And for the tenth and final time, I will even put it in capitals as you seem to struggle to read and remember this: STOP THE TERRORISM, ADMIT ISRAEL HAS A RIGHT TO EXIST, REMOVE HAMAS AND THEN TALK!!!!!

All viable, all non-nuke and a solution to peace. You don't like it and you wont accept it but I don't care. You ask the question and that is my answer. Has been all along. But please don't ask again as this is really boring having to repeat the same thing.
Again, it's not a solution any Palestinian would accept. A viable proposal has to be one that's acceptable to both sides. It would be like Hamas saying "convert to Islam, close down the brothels in Tel Aviv and adopt Sharia Law (version 3.6) and drive your tanks into the Dead Sea and then we'll talk".

Whether I'd accept it or not is irrelevant -- the Zionists didn't invade my home!

Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Saturday 22 November 14:35

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

164 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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The Zionists didn't "invade" anyone's home. ????? WTF are you on about now?

They lived in Palestine for 1,000s of years and after mass extermination many migrated there after WW2, encouraged by the rest of the world, so how is that invading????? The UN, yes the same UN that your often refer to as passing resolutions against Israel, created Israel. Your Arab friends then invaded them, repeatedly, and continue to try to achieve the same i.e. the destruction and murder of every Jew in Israel.

The flaw in their plan was that they weren't and aren't very good at fighting so the Israeli's kicked their collective arse's and continue to do the same. Somehow this has become, in your twisted mind, the fault of the Jew!

You say you are an atheist but then you also say you are a Jew and a Romany and, as I have already stated, I don't believe a word of it. Sorry to rain on your false humanitarian parade but your false morals and thinly veiled hatred of Israel cannot be claimed or masked as some form of love for your fellow man.

Edited by Grumfutock on Saturday 22 November 13:12

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

164 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Countdown said:
Grumfutock said:
I didn't see you condemn blah blah blah?
You seem very eager to jump up snd down about palestinian attacks and yet justify Israeli actions by saying "its all the Palestinians fault". do you not think thats a tad hypocritical?

To avoid you having to waste bandwidth I totally and utterly condemn the attacks by Palestinians. Just as I condemn certain actions carried out by the Israeli govt (seizing land, demolishing homes etc.) I don't try to justify one set of atrocities.

Yadda Yadda Yadda, some more rubbish and a bit more blah. A sprinkling of tosh and a great big dollop of crap.
Your usual style I see. Insult and mind numbingly boring rubbish.

Mermaid

21,492 posts

170 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Mermaid said:
Israelis have moved on, the Palestinians need to do the same - violence will not move their agenda forward. Merely an impasse.
Moved on?

Yes they have. More settlement building, more land annexation, and more expressions of faux-horror that the Palestnians don't want peace. If only they'd accept Israels right to exist!!! Then ALL THIS would stop overnight......

I doubt even Grum is that gullible tbh.
So the trend over the last 10 years has been..... get real and deal with the hand you have got & optimise it rather than keep bhing about it.