Israeli

[Grumfutock]

TheRealFingers99 said:

The graffiti was in Hebrew ARABIC (and may be part of petty vandalism by drunken kids in the area -- see the report): are you sure Muslims did it? I see nothing there that would automatically lead to the conclusion that Muslims did it.

But what's all this "religion of peace"? Part of your asinine fantasy that I believe in some kind of Sky Fairy? More of your phobia?

Once more, I'm an atheist. That doesn't mean I believe all Muslims are evil, any more than I believe all Jews, Christians, Yezidi, Zoroastrians, Hindus, Buddhists or Druze are good (this is not a complete list). And there are some really nasty atheists out there, too!

Sorry to disappoint! I suggest YOU read the report!

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/1...

Atheist you say? Sorry but as I have already said, I don't believe you.

[TheRealFingers99]

Grumfutock said:

Sorry to disappoint! I suggest YOU read the report!

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/1...

"Graffiti in Arabic supporting the Islamic State terrorist group was found Saturday on a memorial monument dedicated to Druze IDF soldiers killed in Israeli wars."

"Last month, residents of Daliyat al-Karmel discovered four spray paints of the Hebrew term for ISIS near a soccer field in the city."

"Rafik Halabi, head of the Daliyat al-Karmel local council, urged police last month to act quickly to apprehend those responsible for the graffiti, saying that “even if children did this as a prank, we are taking this incident very seriously.""

So, is it really any more than a bunch of kids (or two bunches of kids) messing about? If you want examples of Muslim or Jewish cemetaries being desecrated you can find them much closer to home. Despicable, but.......

Is that really all you and your posse can come up with, Julie?

Grumfutock said:

Atheist you say? Sorry but as I have already said, I don't believe you.

Well, Julie, honey, even if I were a Muslim, I'm hardly the kind of Muslim that fills you with dread. Lookie here, there's this Muslim peacenick, supports the YPJ, doesn't advocate the use of the hijab (or the banning of it) says nice things about non-Muslims, advocates fighting alongside Christians, Devil Worshippers and Atheists (and that Jewish woman who turned up last week).

My comrades would like a word with you



In the meantime, instead of writing another silly book on Jews, you might like to read Benny Morris or Ilan Pappe. Or grow a pair.

[Grumfutock]

Julie? Write another book? Nope you have completely lost me now.

Have you taken your pills today?

[TheRealFingers99]

Grumfutock said:

Julie? Write another book? Nope you have completely lost me now.

Have you taken your pills today?

You mean you're not Julie Birchill in drag? I don't believe you!

[Slaav]

Did anybody see the Archbishop visiting Gaza on the news (pretty sure it was Gaza but the Mrs only got my attention half way through)

His words were encouraging and he spoke sense. Heads up as I am sure it will be on the news tomorrow morning.

Edit to add one of very many links : http://www.itv.com/news/2014-11-23/archbishop-of-w...

Edited by Slaav on Monday 24th November 01:40

[TheRealFingers99]

The Christians -- aside from the American nut job ones -- (inside and outside of Palestine/Israel) have been pretty much on the money since the Nakba, I think. But no-one takes much notice.

[Grumfutock]

So just to clarify, the writing was in Arabic then and not in Hebrew? Just want to be sure.

[franki68]

TheRealFingers99 said:

Well, Julie, honey, even if I were a Muslim, I'm hardly the kind of Muslim that fills you with dread. Lookie here, there's this Muslim peacenick, supports the YPJ, doesn't advocate the use of the hijab (or the banning of it) says nice things about non-Muslims, advocates fighting alongside Christians, Devil Worshippers and Atheists (and that Jewish woman who turned up last week).

My comrades would like a word with you



In the meantime, instead of writing another silly book on Jews, you might like to read Benny Morris or Ilan Pappe. Or grow a pair.

you are aware benny morris has a different take on how some of his work has been interpreted ,see his debate with finkelstein where finkelstein quotes morris work back at him,morris tells him he is selectively quoting ,and does not understand the work ,Morris has come out and stated he was mistaken in that he thought the arabs wanted peace.
and as for pappe ...
His work is full of what can only state are lies,when questioned about how poor his work is he replied ' i have no interest in facts' ,he literally made stuff up .Can't remember who it was but basically they stated pappe was on one of the worst historians ever as he started with a concept and then made the facts fit it,and if he couldnt he just made stuff up.

[Grumfutock]

Ilan Pappe is an idiot. Benny Morris I have a little more time for.

[Grumfutock]

No, there is never any accountability is there!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-301789...

[TheRealFingers99]

franki68 said:

you are aware benny morris has a different take on how some of his work has been interpreted ,see his debate with finkelstein where finkelstein quotes morris work back at him,morris tells him he is selectively quoting ,and does not understand the work ,Morris has come out and stated he was mistaken in that he thought the arabs wanted peace.
and as for pappe ...
His work is full of what can only state are lies,when questioned about how poor his work is he replied ' i have no interest in facts' ,he literally made stuff up .Can't remember who it was but basically they stated pappe was on one of the worst historians ever as he started with a concept and then made the facts fit it,and if he couldnt he just made stuff up.

Morris actually changed his interpretation of the facts, but has never denied the facts themselves (it would be difficult). There are those who pointed out that he desperately wanted a professorship at an Israeli university at the time, and may have had what happened to Pappe in the back of his mind. While it doesn't go at him quite that hard, the article I cite in Haaretz is apposite.

Finckelstein seems to me to be a sort of Court Jester of the New Historians. Sometimes his remarks strike home. Personally I find him mainly irritating.

Pappe, as a Marxist of sorts, starts from the viewpoint that history is ideologically driven. It's not a new idea. You can find it in the writings of very many leftist historians.

If right wing commentators choose to see this as a desire to bend facts to suit an idea, so be it. Pappe describes all this rather well in the BBC Hard Talk interview. (It's on You Tube somewhere -- poor quality, but the sound is OK.) I know of only one "lie" that Pappe perpetrates -- a quotation from the "old man" which doesn't appear in the place cited. (Of no real import -- you could find plenty of equivalent quotes from Ben-Gurion.)

But the contrary view, that the historian is an objective seeker for truth is obviously nuts. I mean, even your choice of an area of study is ideologically driven!

These discussions actually mirror closely those which took place 20 or 30 years earlier among Karl Popper (not a leftist!) and his circle (perhaps most notably his nemeses, Paul Feyerabend and Imre Lakatos). But scientific method, even Popper would agree, is not the assemblage of a collection of scientific results ("facts") into a theory which can be tested, but the creation of a theory which can be tested (sooner or later) against facts (Feyerabend and the scientific community point out that it's a far more ad hoc process than Popper ever saw it). The theory, itself, is an ideological construct of sorts.

Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Monday 24th November 16:02

[TheRealFingers99]

Grumfutock said:

So just to clarify, the writing was in Arabic then and not in Hebrew? Just want to be sure.

I refer you to my previous post, Julie, baby.

TheRealFigers99 said:

"Graffiti in Arabic supporting the Islamic State terrorist group was found Saturday on a memorial monument dedicated to Druze IDF soldiers killed in Israeli wars."

"Last month, residents of Daliyat al-Karmel discovered four spray paints of the Hebrew term for ISIS near a soccer field in the city."

"Rafik Halabi, head of the Daliyat al-Karmel local council, urged police last month to act quickly to apprehend those responsible for the graffiti, saying that “even if children did this as a prank, we are taking this incident very seriously.""

So, is it really any more than a bunch of kids (or two bunches of kids) messing about? If you want examples of Muslim or Jewish cemetaries being desecrated you can find them much closer to home. Despicable, but.......

[Emphasis added to aid the hard of seeing]

Grumfutock said:

Ilan Pappe is an idiot. Benny Morris I have a little more time for.

But, Julie, you miss the point. Neither are Nakba deniers.

[TheRealFingers99]

Grumfutock said:

No, there is never any accountability is there!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-301789...

Sometimes there is, of sorts. But let's see what the court comes up with, eh?

[Grumfutock]

TheRealFingers99 said:

Grumfutock said:

So just to clarify, the writing was in Arabic then and not in Hebrew? Just want to be sure.

I refer you to my previous post, Julie, baby.

TheRealFigers99 said:

"Graffiti in Arabic supporting the Islamic State terrorist group was found Saturday on a memorial monument dedicated to Druze IDF soldiers killed in Israeli wars."

"Last month, residents of Daliyat al-Karmel discovered four spray paints of the Hebrew term for ISIS near a soccer field in the city."

"Rafik Halabi, head of the Daliyat al-Karmel local council, urged police last month to act quickly to apprehend those responsible for the graffiti, saying that “even if children did this as a prank, we are taking this incident very seriously.""

So, is it really any more than a bunch of kids (or two bunches of kids) messing about? If you want examples of Muslim or Jewish cemetaries being desecrated you can find them much closer to home. Despicable, but.......

[Emphasis added to aid the hard of seeing]

Grumfutock said:

Ilan Pappe is an idiot. Benny Morris I have a little more time for.

But, Julie, you miss the point. Neither are Nakba deniers.

Why add the football bit?

It is a very simple question that should require a yes or no response. Did the grave get graffiti on them in Arabic or not?

No other question. I am not talking about a football pitches. I am not talking about the flag spraying (I notice you didn't mention that part of the story but then that was anti Israeli so you wouldn't).

So, once again, was the writing, the one on the graves, written in Arabic.

Yes/No (Please tick the correct answer).

[Mermaid]

Grumfutock said:

So, once again, was the writing, the one on the graves, written in Arabic.

Yes/No (Please tick the correct answer).

Why don't we all stop posting on this thread and leave Fingers to play with himself?

[Grumfutock]

Mermaid said:

Grumfutock said:

So, once again, was the writing, the one on the graves, written in Arabic.

Yes/No (Please tick the correct answer).

Why don't we all stop posting on this thread and leave Fingers to play with himself?

Starting to get to that point TBH. Maybe countdown and zuby can keep him entertained. Between the three of them they could fill a silo with their horse st.

[Mermaid]

Grumfutock said:

Starting to get to that point TBH. Maybe countdown and zuby can keep him entertained. Between the three of them they could fill a silo with their horse st.

All Sunnis (I believe) so should be fine.

[Grumfutock]

Mermaid said:

Grumfutock said:

Starting to get to that point TBH. Maybe countdown and zuby can keep him entertained. Between the three of them they could fill a silo with their horse st.

All Sunnis (I believe) so should be fine.

They certainly talk a load of Shiite!

[SR7492]

TheRealFingers99 said:

Grumfutock said:

No, there is never any accountability is there!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-301789...

Sometimes there is, of sorts. But let's see what the court comes up with, eh?

Deliberate murder but only charged with manslaughter; great accountability (though I'm not surprised)

Here is the actual footage of the killings:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaibEqx2m_k

[TheRealFingers99]

Grumfutock said:

Why add the football bit?

It is a very simple question that should require a yes or no response. Did the grave get graffiti on them in Arabic or not?

No other question. I am not talking about a football pitches. I am not talking about the flag spraying (I notice you didn't mention that part of the story but then that was anti Israeli so you wouldn't).

So, once again, was the writing, the one on the graves, written in Arabic.

Yes/No (Please tick the correct answer).

I've answered your question. Yes, you're right about the graves. But the rest of the report provides context, don't you think?

I suggest, Julie dear, that you take a good dose of laxative -- might free your mind up a little, as well!

Talk about anal!