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TheRealFingers99 said:
Fine. But your "logic" has been defeated, Julie. All we have is an empty shell of ignorance.
That will do for now, thank you.
How so? That will do for now, thank you.
The entire world and all of it's respected politicians and peace mediators call for a 2 state solution. You reject it, just as the Palestinian terrorists do. How am I defeated? If I am then so is the UN and all the peace proposals, a rather piss poor state of affairs!
According to you and your ludicrous logic this would mean a continuation of the occupation, war misery and killings. By your own argument the Israeli's kill far more than they lose so the poor old Palestinians are in for a somewhat s
t time of it.Once again, fake finger, you expose your true background and political leaning by your idiotic rhetoric laden posts.
Long live the revolution habibi. As your brothers keep saying:
"The price will be high, Sons of Zion. All of Palestine is ours. There is nothing here for you but death"
Grumfutock said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
Fine. But your "logic" has been defeated, Julie. All we have is an empty shell of ignorance.
That will do for now, thank you.
How so? That will do for now, thank you.
Grumfutock said:
The entire world and all of it's respected politicians and peace mediators call for a 2 state solution. You reject it, just as the Palestinian terrorists do. How am I defeated? If I am then so is the UN and all the peace proposals, a rather piss poor state of affairs!
This is really silly. I don't reject a 2 state solution. (And I'm not in any position to reject or accept it.) But I do believe that a one state solution offers a whole lot more. I've told you why. It really is that simple.(Almost) any peace is better than no peace. I think the ME deserves more than race based 19C nation states. So do the Jews, so do the Palestinians.
Grumfutock said:
According to you and your ludicrous logic this would mean a continuation of the occupation, war misery and killings. By your own argument the Israeli's kill far more than they lose so the poor old Palestinians are in for a somewhat st time of it.
Once again, fake finger, you expose your true background and political leaning by your idiotic rhetoric laden posts.
Long live the revolution habibi. As your brothers keep saying:
"The price will be high, Sons of Zion. All of Palestine is ours. There is nothing here for you but death"
This last bit is irrelevant, surely. But I leave it in. I think you're so wrapped up in your fantasy of the creation of Israel that you've lost the plot.t time of it.Once again, fake finger, you expose your true background and political leaning by your idiotic rhetoric laden posts.
Long live the revolution habibi. As your brothers keep saying:
"The price will be high, Sons of Zion. All of Palestine is ours. There is nothing here for you but death"
What, BTW, are my "political leaning" [sic]?
And your point is?
I don't think it's the best option . I have doubts that it's even viable. (For all the reasons I've listed, repeatedly.) But reject it? I've never done that or suggested that the Palestinians do.
I realise that this falls outside of the parameters of your subtlety filter, but I'm sure everyone else understands.
Emergency Appeal for Sinjar and Rojava
I don't think it's the best option . I have doubts that it's even viable. (For all the reasons I've listed, repeatedly.) But reject it? I've never done that or suggested that the Palestinians do.
I realise that this falls outside of the parameters of your subtlety filter, but I'm sure everyone else understands.
Emergency Appeal for Sinjar and Rojava
Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Saturday 20th December 02:58
No doubt they were wrong to do this in your opinion?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-305589...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-305589...
NelsonM3 said:
No a response to a rocket being fired at a civilian target!Or perhaps you would ignore it if France fired a rocket at Dover?
Grumfutock said:
No a response to a rocket being fired at a civilian target!
Or perhaps you would ignore it if France fired a rocket at Dover?
If France fired a rocket at the UK and UK had a damn good intercept mechanism I could afford to be sanguine about it.Or perhaps you would ignore it if France fired a rocket at Dover?
If a terrorist faction within France fired at the UK, the UK would pressure French government to sort out the terrorist faction. It would be extremely unlikely to take out a housing estate in Paris!
If you like the status quo so much, go join the IDF, report back later!
And that cowardly attitude sums up all that is wrong today. A nation has rockets fired into it's territory and at civilian targets at that. What response would you do? Ignore it! Yea right! I seem to remember the world doing that in the 30's, how well did that work out?
Ridiculous to suggest any nation on earth would ignore it!
Ridiculous to suggest any nation on earth would ignore it!
Grumfutock said:
And that cowardly attitude sums up all that is wrong today. A nation has rockets fired into it's territory and at civilian targets at that. What response would you do? Ignore it! Yea right! I seem to remember the world doing that in the 30's, how well did that work out?
Ridiculous to suggest any nation on earth would ignore it!
All fine and well, but you forget that the reason this all started was because the Israeli's took/were given land that hasn't really belonged to them for thousands of years. Since you like analogies so much about the French, you feel that if we invaded the parts of France (the parts that our kings controlled 700+ years ago), kept on claiming we wanted peace but kept taking more and more land until France was a fraction of it's current size that France wouldn't resort to violence? Aha, but the UN wasn't around back in those days so the analogy is completely and utterly flawed/wrong isn't it? Ridiculous to suggest any nation on earth would ignore it!
The end game of Israel is to somehow drive the Gaza people out of Gaza so they can go in and take it all. I even read a story today about a prospective US Presidential nominee saying as much. Unfortunately the self-perpetuating cycle with Hamas terrorists fighting Israeli terrorists only makes this vision more of a reality.
Grum, I think you would probably be the first to fight back if you saw your home/land being invaded regardless of whether people thought it was justified or not.
zuby84 said:
Israeli Statement said:
“This resolution has long outlived the effects of the oil slick, and serves no purpose other than to contribute to institutionalizing an anti-Israel agenda at the UN”
Bless their poor wee hearts. Everyones ganging up on them.Grumfutock said:
And that cowardly attitude sums up all that is wrong today. A nation has rockets fired into it's territory and at civilian targets at that. What response would you do? Ignore it! Yea right! I seem to remember the world doing that in the 30's, how well did that work out?
Ridiculous to suggest any nation on earth would ignore it!
He didn't say ignore it. Rather take a diplomatic approach. What situation do you think the UK would be in right now if it took the, "Kill 1 of ours, kill 1,000 of them" approach to Northern Ireland. That's right, the situation Israel is in right now!Ridiculous to suggest any nation on earth would ignore it!
Grumfutock said:
NelsonM3 said:
No a response to a rocket being fired at a civilian target!Or perhaps you would ignore it if France fired a rocket at Dover?
NelsonM3 said:
He didn't say ignore it. Rather take a diplomatic approach. What situation do you think the UK would be in right now if it took the, "Kill 1 of ours, kill 1,000 of them" approach to Northern Ireland. That's right, the situation Israel is in right now!
Sorry but where in any of the reports does it say 1000! Please don't over play your hand so soon.You use the N.I. analogy so let us look at that. When a bomb was detonated or a shooting carried out did we "take a diplomatic approach" or did we set up road blocks, carry out stop and search and conduct raids on known Provo's?
And before anyone says "ah but we didn't bomb them back" that is because England is not Israel and the Fall's road or the Bogside isn't Gaza. You can only take these comparisons so far.
TheRealFingers99 said:
Grumfutock said:
You can only take these comparisons so far.
Says the man who compared Hamas rocket on Israel to France attacking Dover! 
You are getting boring now mate.Yes idiot, as in you cannot compare EXACTLY Israel's actions to ours in N.I.
The France comparison remains extant because that is still a valid comparison isn't it? IF a nation fired a missile or rocket at Britain what would our response be? So still valid then muppet!
Fake finger why do you endlessly come up with these ridiculous and provocative posts? If you are not a troll as you repeatedly claim you aren't, then why?
There is no substance to most of them and they only seem to be to continue the petty and childish swipes at any and all of Israel's actions. And you wonder why I know not to be what you claim habibi!
Simple answer: Don't fire rockets at people, if you do you get bombed! Not really hard now is it?
Yes I can do silly little emoticons too.
Edited by Grumfutock on Saturday 20th December 20:31
Rather OTT response, don't you think?
Still waiting for your DNA "research" sources, BTW........
But:
However, a better analogy would be the French resistance attacking Germany during WW2. Both in terms of the likely outcome, and the status of the parties involved.
I notice that you resort to the "troll" jibe (an alternative to the argument by meme) whenever you're made to look like a Grade A buffoon. Did that work in the Army?
Still waiting for your DNA "research" sources, BTW........
But:
Grumfutock said:
The France comparison remains extant because that is still a valid comparison isn't it? IF a nation fired a missile or rocket at Britain what would our response be? So still valid then muppet!
I think I answered you. Our response would not be to blow up a housing estate in Paris. However, a better analogy would be the French resistance attacking Germany during WW2. Both in terms of the likely outcome, and the status of the parties involved.
I notice that you resort to the "troll" jibe (an alternative to the argument by meme) whenever you're made to look like a Grade A buffoon. Did that work in the Army?
Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Saturday 20th December 21:03
Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Saturday 20th December 21:08
You have really lost the plot GF, you're getting desperate now aren't you.
Of course you can't compare it EXACTLY you idiot - he is vainly attempting to get you to understand that in NI We didn't retaliate like the Israelis do, we didn't bomb civilian houses and schools. And neither did we invade Eire and declare a buffer zone, and start building housing estates for the Protestants in Eire, neither did we prevent Catholics working in NI, or bar them from certain jobs, and make sure they all went back over the border at night time. What we did was...... We talked, and sorted the problem.
And as for your "simple answer" to the problem - Please answer the question, Why do they keep foreign rockets? And please don't answer that Hammas are firing rockets to destroy Israel! They've so far managed to kill 3 civilians in total, so it's a very ineffective method of destroying a nation.
You regularly deride people who have opposing views to you, by calling us "left wing, tree hugging, sandal wearing,,limp wristed whatever's" - you'll no doubt now post a reply telling me that you have never used that exact phrase, even though you know exactly what I mean, and the accuracy of the quotation is irrelevant. Your response implies that you admire the opposite human attributes, people who stand up for their rights, and fight back when those rights are removed, and their land is invaded. Yet you expect the Palestinians to sit back and meekly accept it.
Of course you can't compare it EXACTLY you idiot - he is vainly attempting to get you to understand that in NI We didn't retaliate like the Israelis do, we didn't bomb civilian houses and schools. And neither did we invade Eire and declare a buffer zone, and start building housing estates for the Protestants in Eire, neither did we prevent Catholics working in NI, or bar them from certain jobs, and make sure they all went back over the border at night time. What we did was...... We talked, and sorted the problem.
And as for your "simple answer" to the problem - Please answer the question, Why do they keep foreign rockets? And please don't answer that Hammas are firing rockets to destroy Israel! They've so far managed to kill 3 civilians in total, so it's a very ineffective method of destroying a nation.
You regularly deride people who have opposing views to you, by calling us "left wing, tree hugging, sandal wearing,,limp wristed whatever's" - you'll no doubt now post a reply telling me that you have never used that exact phrase, even though you know exactly what I mean, and the accuracy of the quotation is irrelevant. Your response implies that you admire the opposite human attributes, people who stand up for their rights, and fight back when those rights are removed, and their land is invaded. Yet you expect the Palestinians to sit back and meekly accept it.
Edited by JensenA on Sunday 21st December 02:47
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