996 c4s is this best value Porsche out there right now
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vinnie83 said:
RatBoy M3CSL said:
If you want a turbo, get one, but don't be surprised that your first service comes in @ £7-8K, with rads/turbo's/MAF/coil packs/boost leaks/clutch etc etc.. they can be hideously expensive for the ill advised or uninformed buyer.
I would be shocked to get a bill that big had I purchased with open eyes and a half decent inspection!Edited by RatBoy M3CSL on Monday 21st July 22:33
Rads - you can see quite easily if this is going to be an issue.
MAF and coil packs - cause misfires... why would you buy if these items are causing a poor running car?
Boost leaks - drive more than a couple and you will spot a car with a boost leak quickly... do the 996's have boost gauges? if so, you can see here. And a split hose is hardly thousands.
Clutch - how is this any more difficult to spot than on a C4S? They share the same AWD system in 996 guise no? (Someone will correct me if so)..... Not to mention the majority are tip...
Beware those that try to convince you that these cars cost many times over to run vs. the non turbo cars.. this is just not true... Yes, there are potential for bigger bills, but this is in the event of major failure... they don't cost THAT much more to run than the non turbo cars unless a major part fails.
Do your research, use the forums, get an inspection and you won't end up with a first service any more costly than the actual service!
This is the most expensive sounding conversation iv heard on this thread by a long shot..it's like turbo owners talk bout the worst scenarios on other models like there expected to happen but make out only small stuff can happen on there's ,nothing major hmm.. I
ktlcyprus said:
This is the most expensive sounding conversation iv heard on this thread by a long shot..it's like turbo owners talk bout the worst scenarios on other models like there expected to happen but make out only small stuff can happen on there's ,nothing major hmm.. I
I didn't mention at all about the worst scenarios on the other models, I stated that it's not true that a turbo is horrendously expensive vs. the non turbo models.I haven't put down the C4s in this thread at all, so I don't get the defensive response... they're great cars, but I was responding to another post that the turbos cost a fortune to maintain, which isn't true.
mollytherocker said:
ktlcyprus said:
Oh yeah and a 996 turbo in auto is even less point as the gap is even smaller in performance as it loses half a second..
Eh? You can get a Carrera auto too.
The turbo is the only 996 tiptronic I would consider as it has the power/torque to overcome the gearboxes shortcomings.
I hated the old slush box and would have never opted for one having had 12 manual 911's.
My current car is a tip and with 550 BHP i'm glad, its an absolute beauty to drive, no need to take the hands off the wheel and with that sort of power a godsend, trust me. Also no over revs to worry about.
In terms of tips been slower in the real world its bollax in fact you can't make the errors like you can with a manual so in reality i would suggest they are quicker.
On a previous thread maintenance was highlighted.
Rads-Easy to check
MAF if this is faulty it comes up as a ABS/PSM fault.
Boost leaks will be evident by driving the car and check boost pressure on the LED display should boost in standard form at 0.7-0.8 depending on fuel octane and ambient temp which all effect boost.
Clutches can go on any cars you have to remember that these are near on 200mph cars so the amount of torque going through the clutch is vast.
Going back to the C4S i think they are lovely cars, fantastic to look at and with the PSE epic to listen too.
Fantastic value also far better than the 993 C4S i owned which was dull as dishwater.
My current car is a tip and with 550 BHP i'm glad, its an absolute beauty to drive, no need to take the hands off the wheel and with that sort of power a godsend, trust me. Also no over revs to worry about.
In terms of tips been slower in the real world its bollax in fact you can't make the errors like you can with a manual so in reality i would suggest they are quicker.
On a previous thread maintenance was highlighted.
Rads-Easy to check
MAF if this is faulty it comes up as a ABS/PSM fault.
Boost leaks will be evident by driving the car and check boost pressure on the LED display should boost in standard form at 0.7-0.8 depending on fuel octane and ambient temp which all effect boost.
Clutches can go on any cars you have to remember that these are near on 200mph cars so the amount of torque going through the clutch is vast.
Going back to the C4S i think they are lovely cars, fantastic to look at and with the PSE epic to listen too.
Fantastic value also far better than the 993 C4S i owned which was dull as dishwater.
monthefish said:
mollytherocker said:
ktlcyprus said:
Oh yeah and a 996 turbo in auto is even less point as the gap is even smaller in performance as it loses half a second..
Eh? You can get a Carrera auto too.The turbo is the only 996 tiptronic I would consider as it has the power/torque to overcome the gearboxes shortcomings.
vinnie83 said:
ktlcyprus said:
This is the most expensive sounding conversation iv heard on this thread by a long shot..it's like turbo owners talk bout the worst scenarios on other models like there expected to happen but make out only small stuff can happen on there's ,nothing major hmm.. I
I didn't mention at all about the worst scenarios on the other models, I stated that it's not true that a turbo is horrendously expensive vs. the non turbo models.I haven't put down the C4s in this thread at all, so I don't get the defensive response... they're great cars, but I was responding to another post that the turbos cost a fortune to maintain, which isn't true.
NJH said:
100% agreed on that. We had a 968 with a tip box and it kills it as a sports car compared to the sweet 6 speed manual. The big engined mercs also manage OK due to the massive grunt from those engines.
It's so true people on here going on about stats and zero to sixty times etc and they buy an auto..In the real world not when your down pub chatting with mates an auto is poo,fair enough PDK that's different but the older cars lose all the fun.Iktlcyprus said:
vinnie83 said:
ktlcyprus said:
This is the most expensive sounding conversation iv heard on this thread by a long shot..it's like turbo owners talk bout the worst scenarios on other models like there expected to happen but make out only small stuff can happen on there's ,nothing major hmm.. I
I didn't mention at all about the worst scenarios on the other models, I stated that it's not true that a turbo is horrendously expensive vs. the non turbo models.I haven't put down the C4s in this thread at all, so I don't get the defensive response... they're great cars, but I was responding to another post that the turbos cost a fortune to maintain, which isn't true.
I don't see any turbo owners on here, let alone me, talking about RMS and IMS issues!
You clearly have a chip on your shoulder chap, I simply said the turbo isn't as costly as people make out - I never put your car down - in fact I said the C4s is a great car.
What exactly is your problem? Calm down chap, nobody here is trying to say there's anything wrong with your car nor is there any reason to throw insults.
vinnie83 said:
ktlcyprus said:
vinnie83 said:
ktlcyprus said:
This is the most expensive sounding conversation iv heard on this thread by a long shot..it's like turbo owners talk bout the worst scenarios on other models like there expected to happen but make out only small stuff can happen on there's ,nothing major hmm.. I
I didn't mention at all about the worst scenarios on the other models, I stated that it's not true that a turbo is horrendously expensive vs. the non turbo models.I haven't put down the C4s in this thread at all, so I don't get the defensive response... they're great cars, but I was responding to another post that the turbos cost a fortune to maintain, which isn't true.
I don't see any turbo owners on here, let alone me, talking about RMS and IMS issues!
You clearly have a chip on your shoulder chap, I simply said the turbo isn't as costly as people make out - I never put your car down - in fact I said the C4s is a great car.
What exactly is your problem? Calm down chap, nobody here is trying to say there's anything wrong with your car nor is there any reason to throw insults.
6C4GTS said:
Crimp a Length! said:
Going back to the C4S i think they are lovely cars, fantastic to look at and with the PSE epic to listen too.
Fantastic value also far better than the 993 C4S i owned which was dull as dishwater.
Agree....but think the beards will be displeased.Fantastic value also far better than the 993 C4S i owned which was dull as dishwater.
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