More FIA Dice Rolling-FRIC Suspension to be Banned

More FIA Dice Rolling-FRIC Suspension to be Banned

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stevesingo

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4,848 posts

221 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/114881

Charlie Whiting, friend of Bernie (the man who is set to lose the most from falling viewing figures due to Mercedes domination) has now decided, after 2years of running, Front Rear Interconnected Suspension is now against the rules.

Talk about rolling the dice. rolleyes

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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Can't make my mind up whether this is some form of corrupt action to stop Mercedes being dominant or just stupidity.

RGambo

847 posts

168 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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Bonkers! So what's changed in the last 2 years then?

Tc24

527 posts

138 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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They've certainly taken their time, with Renault having run it since 2008!

It's ridiculous to ban such concepts during a season, especially when many of this year's cars will likely have been built around the system. That said, I doubt that the unanimous vote needed to postpone the ban will be achieved if any teams currently aren't running it.

Was the gap between Hamilton and the rest of the field so much that the FIA thought they should step in and level the playing field with immediate effect?

Inertiatic

1,040 posts

189 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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Why?????

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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Tc24 said:
They've certainly taken their time, with Renault having run it since 2008!

It's ridiculous to ban such concepts during a season, especially when many of this year's cars will likely have been built around the system. That said, I doubt that the unanimous vote needed to postpone the ban will be achieved if any teams currently aren't running it.

Was the gap between Hamilton and the rest of the field so much that the FIA thought they should step in and level the playing field with immediate effect?
It would appear to be as you say, but if the Mercedes (amongst others) is designed around its suspension system, how can it be at all reasonable to ban it with a weeks notice?

I wonder if Ferrari and RBR use FRICS. If not, then perhaps look to one of them for feeding the bullets to the FIA fkwits.


Likes Fast Cars

2,768 posts

164 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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Inertiatic said:
Why?????
Red cars not doing so well, that's probably why!

Talk about crewing the teams who have done their homework & getting the results furious

Likes Fast Cars

2,768 posts

164 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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REALIST123 said:
It would appear to be as you say, but if the Mercedes (amongst others) is designed around its suspension system, how can it be at all reasonable to ban it with a weeks notice?

I wonder if Ferrari and RBR use FRICS. If not, then perhaps look to one of them for feeding the bullets to the FIA fkwits.
Think you've hit the nail on the head.

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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Well, if they do ban it next week, I just hope the Mercs lap the whole field twice.

Anyone know which teams DON'T have it?

Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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it's crap like this that will kill F1.

the use of the very same st regulation on movable aero is a joke, that rule was not written for this, it was written to ban DRS etc!

whoever is coming up with this st needs to be taken outside and shot.

this is mass-damping all over again, it's worse than childish.

Crafty_

13,248 posts

199 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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Inertiatic said:
Why?????
Because Merc are running away with the championship.

If you look in recent history (last 20 years or so) every time a team gets a jump on the rest with a new innovation it ends up being banned.
Active suspension - Williams
mass damper - Renault
72 degree engine - Renault
EBD - Red Bull
FRIC - Merc

Also stuff like movable barge boards, flexi wings, blown floors etc.

Merc will vote to delay the ban to 2015, everyone else will do the opposite. I do wonder how easy it would be to just remove the system from the car? - I very much doubt that you can just unbolt and replace with a conventional setup, given the cars will probably leave for Germany at the weekend they don't even have time to do that. So, Merc will win, then Red Bull will appeal their car and we're in the court room, again.....

It also forces more costs on the little guys.

FIA need a good kick up the ass for implying that the systems could be banned for a race in 10 days time after the systems being in use for years, its just stupid. If you want to ban for next year, fine or even for the second half of the season but not with literally days to go.

If I was being a bit paranoid I'd say Horner has been whingeing to someone again.

HarryW

15,150 posts

268 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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You can smell Bernies fingers on this...

revrange

1,182 posts

183 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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Clearly its something merc have brought into and is giving them some of their advantage.

I would imagine all the top teams run some form of this system, for Merc it might be a case of running an older version on the car whiting is happy with, but also doesnt work as well.

Against its F1 basically making it up as it goes along to try and level the playing field.

sensible thing is ban it from 2015 onwards

Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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The sensible thing would not be to use rules that will never intended for this purpose the ban something you just got the hump with.


Likes Fast Cars

2,768 posts

164 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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Scuffers said:
it's crap like this that will kill F1.

the use of the very same st regulation on movable aero is a joke, that rule was not written for this, it was written to ban DRS etc!

whoever is coming up with this st needs to be taken outside and shot.

this is mass-damping all over again, it's worse than childish.
+1

I'll give you the bullet if you do the shooting....

vonuber

17,868 posts

164 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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Well this is suspect isn't it.

FunkyNige

8,859 posts

274 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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I heard in some of the commentary that the other teams can't copy it at the moment as teams can't change the suspension mountings during the season, so how can they change it now this rule is brought in?
And I hate that they keep using this 'movable aerodynamics' rule for anything the FIA don't like.

fletch78

452 posts

219 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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Just as I was starting to find F1 interesting again....it's getting as bad as Gow and TOCA

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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Crafty_ said:
Inertiatic said:
Why?????
Because Merc are running away with the championship.

If you look in recent history (last 20 years or so) every time a team gets a jump on the rest with a new innovation it ends up being banned.
Active suspension - Williams
mass damper - Renault
72 degree engine - Renault
EBD - Red Bull
FRIC - Merc

Also stuff like movable barge boards, flexi wings, blown floors etc.

Merc will vote to delay the ban to 2015, everyone else will do the opposite. I do wonder how easy it would be to just remove the system from the car? - I very much doubt that you can just unbolt and replace with a conventional setup, given the cars will probably leave for Germany at the weekend they don't even have time to do that. So, Merc will win, then Red Bull will appeal their car and we're in the court room, again.....

It also forces more costs on the little guys.

FIA need a good kick up the ass for implying that the systems could be banned for a race in 10 days time after the systems being in use for years, its just stupid. If you want to ban for next year, fine or even for the second half of the season but not with literally days to go.

If I was being a bit paranoid I'd say Horner has been whingeing to someone again.
Most of the teams apparently have FRICS and it's certainly not the only reason for Mercedes' success, but if they couldn't use it, it would certainly compromise their performance, where others' won't be.

CharlesAL

532 posts

123 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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Mercedes would still have the best car if FRICS was banned. Who even knows if the Mercedes has the best FRIC system? It was pretty clear that Red Bull were years ahead with their EBD a couple of years ago, but FRIC has been around for a few years now and most teams have been using it for a while.