Malaysian Airlines 777 down on Ukraine / Russia Border?

Malaysian Airlines 777 down on Ukraine / Russia Border?

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tleefox

1,110 posts

147 months

Friday 25th July 2014
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Patrick Bateman said:
Friend of a friend is in the SBS and we were supposed to be having them round for a BBQ this weekend - she is now coming on her own as allegedly they are already on their way.

tleefox

1,110 posts

147 months

Friday 25th July 2014
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Rocksteadyeddie said:
We'd do well to stay well away from this fast emerging st-show.
Especially when our big American brother seems to have no reason to wade in (yet).

onyx39

11,109 posts

149 months

Friday 25th July 2014
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just seen a link on Facebook... the truth about what really happened!

I am amazed at the rubbish some people put on the internet.

http://humansarefree.com/2014/07/busted-mh-17-was-...

Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Friday 25th July 2014
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Rocksteadyeddie said:
Beyond Rational said:
Maybe I've missed something, but how is firing missiles from one country into another in order to destroy the armed troops of that nation, not an act of war?
Or sending special forces in to "secure" an area...

We'd do well to stay well away from this fast emerging st-show.
not really not.

IF the SAS/SBS etc go in it woul dbe with the approval of Ukraine, so no invasion etc.

now, if they cross the border to russia, that's a different subject.

personally, I think it would be good to have enough troops on the ground to secure the area with enough air cover to prevent attack from outside, and I can;t see this being that controversial.

if russia want to then attack them, that's a whole different matter


Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

260 months

Friday 25th July 2014
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Seems to be inspired by the 'Titanic didn't sink' conspiracy theory.

marshalla

15,902 posts

200 months

Friday 25th July 2014
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Scuffers said:
IF the SAS/SBS etc go in it woul dbe with the approval of Ukraine, so no invasion etc.
Currently no real government in Ukraine to approve anything : http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/24/ukrai...

2013BRM

39,731 posts

283 months

Friday 25th July 2014
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Cobnapint said:
Rocksteadyeddie said:
Or sending special forces in to "secure" an area...

We'd do well to stay well away from this fast emerging st-show.
I agree. Putin-the-Paranoid already thinks NATO are trying to construct an invasion by siding up to Ukraine.

This will cause his ICBM silo's to step up to a 'put your vodka down' state. Very dangerous, no matter how innocent the intention.
yup, this is turning into something very serious indeed

Mojocvh

16,837 posts

261 months

Friday 25th July 2014
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The Spruce goose said:
Rocksteadyeddie said:
Or sending special forces in to "secure" an area...

We'd do well to stay well away from this fast emerging st-show.
I bet 50 quid no special forces would go in, too open and too much publicity and to secure a non military site is worthless from a strategic point of view.
If they were "going in" then they sure ain't now...well not willingly.

petemurphy

10,108 posts

182 months

Friday 25th July 2014
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isnt it a bit late now? i can understand they should have gone in to start but most bodies have been retrieved and inspectors are there whats the point now bar to annoy the russians?

skyrover

12,668 posts

203 months

Friday 25th July 2014
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petemurphy said:
isnt it a bit late now? i can understand they should have gone in to start but most bodies have been retrieved and inspectors are there whats the point now bar to annoy the russians?
It's still a crime scene and separatists are still refusing access to the whole site/area.

Steffan

10,362 posts

227 months

Friday 25th July 2014
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skyrover said:
petemurphy said:
isnt it a bit late now? i can understand they should have gone in to start but most bodies have been retrieved and inspectors are there whats the point now bar to annoy the russians?
It's still a crime scene and separatists are still refusing access to the whole site/area.
Indeed it is. Furthermore the detailed analysis of the crash site, bodies, black boxes and all the pieces of the plane will give huge information to the forensic experts. If they can get that detail I would expect a pinpoint of where the missile probably came from and how the plane was actually hit. If it broke up in the air they will be able to tell and probably whether any passengers survived the actual impact and initial disintegration if the plane broke up on descent.

These experts are the bees knees with this sort of data. I respectfully suggest that Contributors need to read some detail about the actual information that can be gleaned from such evidence. Certainly still very much worthwhile.

MiniMan64

16,860 posts

189 months

Friday 25th July 2014
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onyx39 said:
just seen a link on Facebook... the truth about what really happened!

I am amazed at the rubbish some people put on the internet.

http://humansarefree.com/2014/07/busted-mh-17-was-...
The internet is truly a strange and bizarre place.

The US hijacks an entire aircraft of foreign nationals, kills them and then blows up the plane over the Ukraine several months later? banghead


marshalla

15,902 posts

200 months

Friday 25th July 2014
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MiniMan64 said:
onyx39 said:
just seen a link on Facebook... the truth about what really happened!

I am amazed at the rubbish some people put on the internet.

http://humansarefree.com/2014/07/busted-mh-17-was-...
The internet is truly a strange and bizarre place.

The US hijacks an entire aircraft of foreign nationals, kills them and then blows up the plane over the Ukraine several months later? banghead
And if that one is MH370, where's MH017 now ?

hidetheelephants

23,731 posts

192 months

Friday 25th July 2014
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skyrover said:
The result of Russian artillery onto Ukrainian troops... Some of the 72th Ukr. Brigade annihilated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9iCq0k0PEY

It is confirmed Russia is now firing artillery from Russian territory into Ukraine

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-russia-firing-artil...
Perhaps deploying Sentinel to the Ukraine under the auspices of the UN would provide proof of the truth of these accusations? They probably can't track shells in flight but MLRS rockets will show up readily enough and the ground movements of tube artillery can be followed.

Mr Sparkle

1,921 posts

169 months

Friday 25th July 2014
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hidetheelephants said:
Perhaps deploying Sentinel to the Ukraine under the auspices of the UN would provide proof of the truth of these accusations? They probably can't track shells in flight but MLRS rockets will show up readily enough and the ground movements of tube artillery can be followed.
Should be able to see it all on satellite now I would have thought.

Petemate

1,674 posts

190 months

Friday 25th July 2014
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marshalla said:
And if that one is MH370, where's MH017 now ?
Well, the identification of the bodies by the relatives will put this new conspiracy theory to bed.

vonuber

17,868 posts

164 months

Friday 25th July 2014
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I've read reports for a while now that the Russians have been attacking Ukrainian forces. It would certainly make sense, it is odd how the Rebels have managed to hold out for so long if it wasn't for outside help.

clonmult

10,529 posts

208 months

Friday 25th July 2014
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Petemate said:
marshalla said:
And if that one is MH370, where's MH017 now ?
Well, the identification of the bodies by the relatives will put this new conspiracy theory to bed.
That, coupled with my sister and her friends who spoke to one of the passengers days before MH017 will pretty much end it; probably plenty of others who can confirm the passengers being alive and booked on that flight. Although these conspiracy theorists rarely listen to reason ...

XJ Flyer

5,526 posts

129 months

Saturday 26th July 2014
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BHC said:
XJ Flyer said:
Which just leaves the question of,knowing UKIP's policies regarding Ukraine,why the deafening silence from Farage.Is he being gagged by the pro EU government security agencies and their propaganda.Or is it that he just can't be bothered knowing that Britain is now a lost cause to the dangerous aggressive expansionist policies of the federalist supporters of the EU.



Edited by XJ Flyer on Thursday 24th July 18:40
Actually, you're (as usual) mistaken. Many questions on this topic remain, however that is not one of them. Do you understand that this involves Ukrainian/Russian rebels and military and has LITERALLY no relation to Ireland or UKIP?
It has every comparable feature to Ireland.Nationalist Ukrainian forces fighting a war of unification and seperation from Russia and Russian backed loyalist forces fighting on an agenda of partition to reflect the wishes of the Russian loyalist community.No surprise in our case we called the Irish nationalists 'rebels' while in the case of Russia we're calling the Russian loyalists 'rebels'.

All because of an agenda of an EU and NATO eastward expansion.Which is actually a policy which UKIP's foreign policy is actually totally against.So as I said why the silence from UKIP in the media on all the above.

hidetheelephants

23,731 posts

192 months

Saturday 26th July 2014
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Mr Sparkle said:
Should be able to see it all on satellite now I would have thought.
It might be a software issue and just adjusting the speed gate will be enough, but that needs a radar geek to pass judgement; I doubt satellites are able to reliably spot mortar bombs and <6" shells in flight.