The Official Hungarian GP Thread 2014 *******Spoilers*****
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Crafty_ said:
STR's still struggling with rear grip, JEV seemed to be possessed early on, is he getting worried about his seat? Kvyat had a few smaller moments too.
Even Ricciardo had oversteer in the last corner on a quick lap (first on the option I think) that required a big correction.
Lotus are in a mess, they've spent pretty much all of today trying to fix a coolant leak. Grosjean seems to be getting a little frustrated and I can't blame him.
At the sharp end, Alonso got ahead of Kimi, Magnussen splliting them in 5th, some 1.1 seconds ahead of Button who still appeared unhappy with the grip levels.
Lewis was faster than Nico and more interestingly was able to look after the tyres better than Nico, he was doing a 28.8 while Nico was in the 29s and saying the tyres were finished on the radio. Later Nico was asking where he could improve. He was also asked to drive T1 in a higher gear to avoid engine damage.
Vettel was clearing Ricciardo by nearly a second, maybe a little more experience helped him cope with the low grip level a little better.
Chilton must be happy, he lost all of the first session due to the engine change and is a little over a tenth behind Bianchi.
Cheers for the updates. Wish I could watch the practices! Even Ricciardo had oversteer in the last corner on a quick lap (first on the option I think) that required a big correction.
Lotus are in a mess, they've spent pretty much all of today trying to fix a coolant leak. Grosjean seems to be getting a little frustrated and I can't blame him.
At the sharp end, Alonso got ahead of Kimi, Magnussen splliting them in 5th, some 1.1 seconds ahead of Button who still appeared unhappy with the grip levels.
Lewis was faster than Nico and more interestingly was able to look after the tyres better than Nico, he was doing a 28.8 while Nico was in the 29s and saying the tyres were finished on the radio. Later Nico was asking where he could improve. He was also asked to drive T1 in a higher gear to avoid engine damage.
Vettel was clearing Ricciardo by nearly a second, maybe a little more experience helped him cope with the low grip level a little better.
Chilton must be happy, he lost all of the first session due to the engine change and is a little over a tenth behind Bianchi.
NRS said:
Hamilton and Vettel are somewhat influenced by their DNFs.
Only in terms of championship positions. When both cars are on track, both are really struggling to beat their team mates. Even at Silverstone when Nico broke down he was in front. Seb's having a torrid time, but again when both cars are on track Seb is really struggling against his team mate.
heebeegeetee said:
NRS said:
Hamilton and Vettel are somewhat influenced by their DNFs.
Only in terms of championship positions. When both cars are on track, both are really struggling to beat their team mates. Even at Silverstone when Nico broke down he was in front. Seb's having a torrid time, but again when both cars are on track Seb is really struggling against his team mate.
Catatafish said:
Hardly typical qualifying in those cases though... It is abnormal for Hamilton not to be on pole when he completes qualy normally ie he or the team doesnt balls it up somehow. When both mercs finish one-two, Ham is more likely to be the victor despite the DNFs. Weird definition of struggling...
Well, this is what i think:I think Lewis is that little bit quicker than Nico.
I think he is better on tyres than Nico.
I think he uses less fuel than Nico.
What does this amount to: While Lewis consistently trails in points, Jack Squat. We can talk about it until the cows come home but as the season progresses it's looking less likely that Lewis will win the championship.
The fact is, he is not consistently beating his team mate. I think the championship will be decided by reliability, in other words Lewis is not the master of his destiny.
Meanwhile over at Camp Ferrari Fernando is giving yet another team mate a right good spanking. This time the team mate is a highly rated former world champion.
In a nutshell, with all top current F1 drivers except Fernando we've had to rip up the form book.
I don't think its too late for Lewis to win the championship. Imagine Nico having a car problem in Q1 tomorrow, he'd start at the back of the grid and would not find it easy to come through the pack, he ends up 5th with Lewis 1st and bam, all of a sudden Lewis is leading the WDC...
Brundle put it well a few races ago, he said something like "Lewis should be a multi WDC by now and at the same time this might just be Nico's only chance, they've both got to grab the opportunity".
I'm not overly surprised at Nico's performance this year, he's never really had the equipment but we have seen good driving from him in the past.
Lewis ? no matter how much people want to knock him, for sheer ability he's in the top three. I think in the last couple of years he's worked on his deficiencies and looks to be a happier person for it.
I do agree that if Lewis does lose the WDC it will be through reliability problems.
Brundle put it well a few races ago, he said something like "Lewis should be a multi WDC by now and at the same time this might just be Nico's only chance, they've both got to grab the opportunity".
I'm not overly surprised at Nico's performance this year, he's never really had the equipment but we have seen good driving from him in the past.
Lewis ? no matter how much people want to knock him, for sheer ability he's in the top three. I think in the last couple of years he's worked on his deficiencies and looks to be a happier person for it.
I do agree that if Lewis does lose the WDC it will be through reliability problems.
WDC Less likely HBGT ? Is that your heart or your head talking?
All the UK on-line bookies I check do not see it that way despite the current 14 point disadvantage. Hamilton is favourite to secure the 2014 WDC. That's UK based bookies where there will be more money for Hamilton rather than Rosberg logically thinking. Money talks.
I wonder if the odds available from firms based outside the UK show Rosberg as favourite.
Contrary to many here, convinced that Hamilton made the right move for the longer term when switching from McL to Merc two seasons ago, I backed both Merc drivers at good odds to become WDC well before season 2014 started. Odds long since no longer available.
C'mon you Mercs ...
All the UK on-line bookies I check do not see it that way despite the current 14 point disadvantage. Hamilton is favourite to secure the 2014 WDC. That's UK based bookies where there will be more money for Hamilton rather than Rosberg logically thinking. Money talks.
I wonder if the odds available from firms based outside the UK show Rosberg as favourite.
Contrary to many here, convinced that Hamilton made the right move for the longer term when switching from McL to Merc two seasons ago, I backed both Merc drivers at good odds to become WDC well before season 2014 started. Odds long since no longer available.
C'mon you Mercs ...
ash73 said:
Distinct lack of appreciation for Nico's skills on this forum 
He's done an incredible job holding Lewis in check, for all Lewis' hype there's basically a fag paper between them. A tenth/sec speed advantage may not be enough to counter a more intelligent racer.
Nico for the win, Lewis to DNF in the heat haze after pushing his engine hard last weekend
Plenty of Hamilton hate from you as usual though eh ?He's done an incredible job holding Lewis in check, for all Lewis' hype there's basically a fag paper between them. A tenth/sec speed advantage may not be enough to counter a more intelligent racer.
Nico for the win, Lewis to DNF in the heat haze after pushing his engine hard last weekend
If you bothered to read the posts no-one is dissing Nico, quite the opposite.
Ignoring Germany even if Lewis had come 2nd to Nico in Australia and Canada he'd be 15 points in the lead. If he had won both of those races with Nico second he'd be 25 ahead.
ash73 said:
And if Lewis hadn't continued to fight with Nico in Canada he might have finished the race. If, could, should, whatever... it's points that count.
And if we discount the extra DNF and the brake failure for Lewis leading him to be near the back of the Grid last week, how much of a fag paper is there?Don't get me wrong, Nico is good, damn good, in fact I am utterly amazed at how well he is going.
ash73 said:
And if Lewis hadn't continued to fight with Nico in Canada he might have finished the race. If, could, should, whatever... it's points that count.
He did no such thing.If Nico hadn't of left the track and accelerated back on to it so as not to avoid losing the position after making a mistake Lewis's brakes would have been in cooler air and might not have overheated.
FYI the team said it was a separate failure nothing to do with the way Lewis drove the car or the power problem that hit both cars.
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