The Official Hungarian GP Thread 2014 *******Spoilers*****

[Crafty_]

Walford said:

think honner sumed it up, people dont whatch because its not about the driver anymore, someone calling on the radio," go 4 more laps off the gas, then change to this tyre, press a majic buttom, turns the veiwer OFF

Errrm.... I think you'll find that right now its all about the drivers!

[London424]

Scuffers said:

johnfm said:

Any comments hidden in the 40 pages of irrelevant slanging as to why Merc didn't put the fastest tyres on both cars?

Lewis on the fast tyres with an extra stop would have given him an excellent chance of winning.

playing tyre wear against track position...

they were working on the life of the primes being significantly better than the options - this proved to be marginal.

to be fair to Merc, Ferrari did the same as did RB with Vettel.

This was my comment that probably got lost yesterday. Merc made a massive balls up with strategy yesterday.

Hamilton should have won that race with the correct strategy.

When Nico came in and put on Softs Hamilton ran a few extra laps then came in. When he came out he was about 5 secs ahead of Nico...unfortunately they put him on the Medium tyres. If they'd copied the approach they were taking with Nico (and they had brand new sets of Softs for Lewis due to no Qualy running) he would have walked it.

[Scuffers]

in hindsight, yes, as soon as Nico caught up, he should have gone for softs.

not sure this would have beaten Ricciardo, but would have definitely got him 2nd.

[London424]

Scuffers said:

in hindsight, yes, as soon as Nico caught up, he should have gone for softs.

not sure this would have beaten Ricciardo, but would have definitely got him 2nd.

I mean way before Nico caught up. They could have brought Lewis in a few laps after Nico (rather than the 8 or so it ended up being), put him on the Softs (rather than the 1 second per lap slower Mediums) and then had both of them run flat out with a stop each more to make.

[Daniel1]

London424 said:

Scuffers said:

in hindsight, yes, as soon as Nico caught up, he should have gone for softs.

not sure this would have beaten Ricciardo, but would have definitely got him 2nd.

I mean way before Nico caught up. They could have brought Lewis in a few laps after Nico (rather than the 8 or so it ended up being), put him on the Softs (rather than the 1 second per lap slower Mediums) and then had both of them run flat out with a stop each more to make.

i think youre right - i would have pitted him onto the faster tyre as soon as he was the 22 seconds a so ahead.

[anonymous-user]

JonRB said:

My own observation is that these threads go through three distinct phases

1. The pre-race stuff, which generally involves fairly intelligent debate about tactics, predictions, and the like. May also contain some betting predictions
2. The in-race stuff, which runs rather like a chat room and is live commentary / reaction on incidents during the race. There isn't often enough time for things to get too bhy or heated, as it is so quick-fire as the race unfolds.
3. The post-race stuff that always descends into a tribal slanging match, trolling, and disagreement.

I always enjoy (1) and (2) and usually unsubscribe from a thread sometime on a Monday as (3) gets too bad.

Couldn't agree more. I mentally unsubscribe though, rather than actually clicking the X on "my stuff". I probably should though.

For number 3, it always seems to me like general gassing comes into the F1 thread.

[Spawn]

vonuber said:

Spawn said:

RYH64E said:

Did Hamilton come through the field due to his brilliance or because two safety car incidents bunched up the field and put a lot of drivers out of position?

You are a plonker.

Partly skill, partly circumstances. Put you in the car and I suspect you'd have lapped the field

He's right though, Hamilton benefited from the safety cars and it cost Rosberg.

But is not arguments.. Hamilton has had 3 more mechanical issues than Rosberg. You can go around in circles with this one all day.

[Spawn]

Spawn said:

vonuber said:

Spawn said:

RYH64E said:

Did Hamilton come through the field due to his brilliance or because two safety car incidents bunched up the field and put a lot of drivers out of position?

You are a plonker.

Partly skill, partly circumstances. Put you in the car and I suspect you'd have lapped the field

He's right though, Hamilton benefited from the safety cars and it cost Rosberg.

But is not arguments.. Hamilton has had 3 more mechanical issues than Rosberg. You can go around in circles with this one all day.

I wonder where they would have finished had they started the other way around.. interesting.

[Mermaid]

Spawn said:

But is not arguments.. Hamilton has had 3 more mechanical issues than Rosberg. You can go around in circles with this one all day.

Explanations, reasons, excuses - only one thing matters, results.

[Walford]

Crafty_ said:

Walford said:

think honner sumed it up, people dont whatch because its not about the driver anymore, someone calling on the radio," go 4 more laps off the gas, then change to this tyre, press a majic buttom, turns the veiwer OFF

Errrm.... I think you'll find that right now its all about the drivers!

So Bottas was a cr@p driver last year now somone clicks there fingers and hes a good driver
Season Series Team Races Wins Poles F/Laps Podiums Points Position
2013 Formula One Williams F1 Team 19 0 0 0 0 4 17th
2014 Formula One Williams Martini Racing 11 0 0 0 3 95* 5th*

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[Walford]

Spawn said:

I wonder where they would have finished had they started the other way around.. interesting.

Hamiltom facing back down the pit lane the wrong way, and Rosberg on pole facing back at the field, i know they are desperate to get veiwers back but i think that would be silly

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[Crafty_]

Walford said:

Crafty_ said:

Walford said:

think honner sumed it up, people dont whatch because its not about the driver anymore, someone calling on the radio," go 4 more laps off the gas, then change to this tyre, press a majic buttom, turns the veiwer OFF

Errrm.... I think you'll find that right now its all about the drivers!

So Bottas was a cr@p driver last year now somone clicks there fingers and hes a good driver
Season Series Team Races Wins Poles F/Laps Podiums Points Position
2013 Formula One Williams F1 Team 19 0 0 0 0 4 17th
2014 Formula One Williams Martini Racing 11 0 0 0 3 95* 5th*

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4 Time Champion (in a row) Vettel has been comprehensively out raced by a team mate with less than half the experience he has in the same car.

Works both ways.

[AWRacing]

Walford said:

Hamiltom facing back down the pit lane the wrong way, and Rosberg on pole facing back at the field, i know they are desperate to get veiwers back but i think that would be silly

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[Jasandjules]

Spawn said:

I wonder where they would have finished had they started the other way around.. interesting.

Given that Rosberg sat behing Vergne for rather a long time, and Lewis took him after about two laps (if that, I can't quite recall), I'd say he wouldn't have ended up on the podium.

[Spawn]

Walford said:

Spawn said:

I wonder where they would have finished had they started the other way around.. interesting.

Hamiltom facing back down the pit lane the wrong way, and Rosberg on pole facing back at the field, i know they are desperate to get veiwers back but i think that would be silly

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Great response hehe

[johnfm]

Crafty_ said:

Walford said:

Crafty_ said:

Walford said:

think honner sumed it up, people dont whatch because its not about the driver anymore, someone calling on the radio," go 4 more laps off the gas, then change to this tyre, press a majic buttom, turns the veiwer OFF

Errrm.... I think you'll find that right now its all about the drivers!

So Bottas was a cr@p driver last year now somone clicks there fingers and hes a good driver
Season Series Team Races Wins Poles F/Laps Podiums Points Position
2013 Formula One Williams F1 Team 19 0 0 0 0 4 17th
2014 Formula One Williams Martini Racing 11 0 0 0 3 95* 5th*

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4 Time Champion (in a row) Vettel has been comprehensively out raced by a team mate with less than half the experience he has in the same car.

Works both ways.

Didn't Vettel (and Rosberg and Bottas and Massa) get screwed by the SC timing? RIC was able to pop in for a tyre change under the SC - which probably helped his win quite a bit.

[johnfm]

Daniel1 said:

London424 said:

Scuffers said:

in hindsight, yes, as soon as Nico caught up, he should have gone for softs.

not sure this would have beaten Ricciardo, but would have definitely got him 2nd.

I mean way before Nico caught up. They could have brought Lewis in a few laps after Nico (rather than the 8 or so it ended up being), put him on the Softs (rather than the 1 second per lap slower Mediums) and then had both of them run flat out with a stop each more to make.

i think youre right - i would have pitted him onto the faster tyre as soon as he was the 22 seconds a so ahead.

This is what confused me. Hamilton opened up a big enough gap to put and still come out a few seconds ahead. So why put him on a different strategy? Put him on the super soft and let him loose or put both on a one stop/long stint. I can see that as a team they were hedging their bets - but I would only expect them to do that if there was rain about and they stuck intermediates on one car and not the other.

[London424]

johnfm said:

Daniel1 said:

London424 said:

Scuffers said:

in hindsight, yes, as soon as Nico caught up, he should have gone for softs.

not sure this would have beaten Ricciardo, but would have definitely got him 2nd.

I mean way before Nico caught up. They could have brought Lewis in a few laps after Nico (rather than the 8 or so it ended up being), put him on the Softs (rather than the 1 second per lap slower Mediums) and then had both of them run flat out with a stop each more to make.

i think youre right - i would have pitted him onto the faster tyre as soon as he was the 22 seconds a so ahead.

This is what confused me. Hamilton opened up a big enough gap to put and still come out a few seconds ahead. So why put him on a different strategy? Put him on the super soft and let him loose or put both on a one stop/long stint. I can see that as a team they were hedging their bets - but I would only expect them to do that if there was rain about and they stuck intermediates on one car and not the other.

They caused their own problems by doing something they said they wouldn't do...they split strategies. They have stated all the way through that unless something strange happened i.e. puncture, rain mid race etc they would have the same number of pitstops for each car...and the only possible change allowed would be the order they run the tyres.

So basically they went against all of the above and caused their own internal issues. Can totally understand both drivers being a bit miffed, but it's of the teams and managements making in this case.

[MGJohn]

Crafty_ said:

4 Time Champion (in a row) Vettel has been comprehensively out raced by a team mate with less than half the experience he has in the same car.

Works both ways.

Yes, in reality pure stats do show that for 2014 but, Vettel has in addition to an inferior car, particularly from the reliability viewpoint, had more non-self-inflicted DNFs than even 'unlucky' Hamilton. Cannot remember any Safety Car "assists" for Vettel either.

Note how very few here on PH mention that but incessantly do for Hamilton unlike on other car sites you can access. Very convenient for some with the "Vettel is lucky" and "Hamilton the great" agenda.

Thus, Vettel is "out raced" by his team mate whilst Rosberg has not done that to Hamilton. ...

Illogical Cap'n but logical within some PH circles.

Having written that, it is still quite possible that Ricciardo is more than just a good emerging talent. Could be an exceptional one.

With more time we shall see.

[MGJohn]

Spawn said:

Walford said:

Spawn said:

I wonder where they would have finished had they started the other way around.. interesting.

Hamiltom facing back down the pit lane the wrong way, and Rosberg on pole facing back at the field, i know they are desperate to get veiwers back but i think that would be silly

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Great response hehe

Yes, that's a cracker Walford. Some of these threads could do with more lateral light hearted thinking and input.