"Men who buy expensive watches are stupid"

[H22observer]

Mosdef said:

H22observer said:

Wanting to live in a reasonably nice area doesn't need any explanation.

Wanting to own a £20000 watch might though.

It's amazing how you keep missing the point. Why does wanting to own a £20k watch require an explanation?

My point is that i've yet to meet a person that aspires to live in a st area with a high crime rate, hence no explanation is required.

...and i said "might".

[cho]

Just as nobody aspires to owning a £5 watch bought from the local market. Everyone, given the choice, would want bigger, better and more expensive be it watches, cars, houses or any other luxury good or even necessity. Why pick on watches when the same applies to anything that can be bought

[H22observer]

Mosdef said:

Pommygranite said:

Mosdef said:

H22observer said:

You could, but you would be completely wrong. Watches and Houses are not comparable.

If you had a house that had more rooms (+ a garage) than required, then you have the option of having children, allowing a friend or family member to move in, converting a spare room into a study, converting the garage into a gym, the option of taking in a tenant and helping pay the bills in later life if your situation changes.

It's about flexibility, practicality, piece of mind, quality of life and comfort.

Wanting to live in a reasonably nice area doesn't need any explanation.

Wanting to own a £20000 watch might though.

It's amazing how you keep missing the point. Why does wanting to own a £20k watch require an explanation? You probably aspire to own a few things worth £5 that I'd say are a waste of money.

He'd happily spend a ton on Xbox and Playsation games which are worth less than a used condom when used but that's justifiable but a nice watch isn't. There's literally no return from playing games but apparently its ok to enjoy that hobby but not another that doesnt meet his left wing socialist approval.

He just doesn't get it.

"It's about flexibility, practicality, piece of mind, quality of life and comfort." This is the bit that really mystifies me. If you're wealthy enough to afford a big house with lots of rooms for a variety of purposes, I very much doubt you're considering letting a friend or relative move in, letting a room out etc.

With respect, i think you're the one talking drivel.

Why would what YOU think be the case for every person in that situation? What if your best friend or brother had just been kicked out by his wife and needed help? Would you tell them to jog on and find somewhere else?

If you lost your job and had to take a 20% paycut, would you allow the household bills to pile up or would you accept the reality of the situation and rent a room to a work colleague?

...and why would you assume that the owner of a relatively cheap 4 bedroom house in the midlands would be "wealthy"?
Would they automatically have a higher income than someone who owns a 1 bedroom flat in London, just because they have more rooms?

[Wacky Racer]

cho said:

Just as nobody aspires to owning a £5 watch bought from the local market. Everyone, given the choice, would want bigger, better and more expensive be it watches, cars, houses or any other luxury good or even necessity. Why pick on watches when the same applies to anything that can be bought

Not true. Some people are happy with what they have got. I don't aspire to a bigger better house, car or anything else, except good health.

I am not short of a few bob, but the two watches I own cost a total of £12.50 and have served me well for over five years, so it's fair to assume watches don't do much for me.

However, if someone wants to spend £30k on one, and they can afford it, good luck to them.

[paul383]

H22 please don't stop posting.

[NRS]

H22observer said:

With respect, i think you're the one talking drivel.

Why would what YOU think be the case for every person in that situation? What if your best friend or brother had just been kicked out by his wife and needed help? Would you tell them to jog on and find somewhere else?

If you lost your job and had to take a 20% paycut, would you allow the household bills to pile up or would you accept the reality of the situation and rent a room to a work colleague?

...and why would you assume that the owner of a relatively cheap 4 bedroom house in the midlands would be "wealthy"?
Would they automatically have a higher income than someone who owns a 1 bedroom flat in London, just because they have more rooms?

If you lost your job perhaps you could have been saving a lot more money than putting it into a house with extra bedrooms that you "might" need for a family member or friends in the future? Potentially you might have paid off all the mortage since you didn't get a larger one to get a bigger house? When you think about it then it's an excess to have a house with more bedrooms than you need, just in case of a "might" situation. You should get a bigger house when you know you need it. I understand in realitiy it's not the case and most people go bigger (I have a 2 bedroom place when I only use 1 bedroom) but can't you see that in a simplified manner then more than one room is excessive, like a watch as you don't NEED it? You don't need the extra rooms, you want them.

By the way, what kind of car do you have?

[H22observer]

Pommygranite said:

Mosdef said:

H22observer said:

You could, but you would be completely wrong. Watches and Houses are not comparable.

If you had a house that had more rooms (+ a garage) than required, then you have the option of having children, allowing a friend or family member to move in, converting a spare room into a study, converting the garage into a gym, the option of taking in a tenant and helping pay the bills in later life if your situation changes.

It's about flexibility, practicality, piece of mind, quality of life and comfort.

Wanting to live in a reasonably nice area doesn't need any explanation.

Wanting to own a £20000 watch might though.

It's amazing how you keep missing the point. Why does wanting to own a £20k watch require an explanation? You probably aspire to own a few things worth £5 that I'd say are a waste of money.

He'd happily spend a ton on Xbox and Playsation games which are worth less than a used condom when used but that's justifiable but a nice watch isn't. There's literally no return from playing games

You don't seem to get it either.

A game costs around £25-35 and could probably be traded in or sold for £15-£25, depending on which game, which retailer you buy from and when you decide to buy/sell. The last game i bought was £18. I'll probably sell it for £12 when i'm done with it.

It amuses me that you refer to me as a "Left-Wing socialist" when i vote for UKIP.

[H22observer]

NRS said:

H22observer said:

With respect, i think you're the one talking drivel.

Why would what YOU think be the case for every person in that situation? What if your best friend or brother had just been kicked out by his wife and needed help? Would you tell them to jog on and find somewhere else?

If you lost your job and had to take a 20% paycut, would you allow the household bills to pile up or would you accept the reality of the situation and rent a room to a work colleague?

...and why would you assume that the owner of a relatively cheap 4 bedroom house in the midlands would be "wealthy"?
Would they automatically have a higher income than someone who owns a 1 bedroom flat in London, just because they have more rooms?

If you lost your job perhaps you could have been saving a lot more money than putting it into a house with extra bedrooms that you "might" need for a family member or friends in the future? Potentially you might have paid off all the mortage since you didn't get a larger one to get a bigger house? When you think about it then it's an excess to have a house with more bedrooms than you need, just in case of a "might" situation. You should get a bigger house when you know you need it. I understand in realitiy it's not the case and most people go bigger (I have a 2 bedroom place when I only use 1 bedroom) but can't you see that in a simplified manner then more than one room is excessive, like a watch as you don't NEED it? You don't need the extra rooms, you want them.

By the way, what kind of car do you have?

Sorry. You're not making any sense.

Why is my car important?

[H22observer]

Wacky Racer said:

cho said:

Just as nobody aspires to owning a £5 watch bought from the local market. Everyone, given the choice, would want bigger, better and more expensive be it watches, cars, houses or any other luxury good or even necessity. Why pick on watches when the same applies to anything that can be bought

Not true. Some people are happy with what they have got. I don't aspire to a bigger better house, car or anything else, except good health.

I agree.

[Cotty]

H22observer said:

Why is my car important?

This is predominantly a motoring forum. If people do not list cars in their profile, people will ask what you drive because it might be interesting, rare, fast etc. If I met a PHer in a pub I would ask him or her what they drove.

Are you defensive about what you drive. My car is worth less than £3k

[michael gould]

Cotty said:

H22observer said:

Why is my car important?

This is predominantly a motoring forum. If people do not list cars in their profile, people will ask what you drive because it might be interesting, rare, fast etc. If I met a PHer in a pub I would ask him or her what they drove.

Are you defensive about what you drive. My car is worth less than £3k

I think my last service cost that much

[bigkeeko]

michael gould said:

Cotty said:

H22observer said:

Why is my car important?

This is predominantly a motoring forum. If people do not list cars in their profile, people will ask what you drive because it might be interesting, rare, fast etc. If I met a PHer in a pub I would ask him or her what they drove.

Are you defensive about what you drive. My car is worth less than £3k

I think my last service cost that much

I spent more than that on a valve cap.

[michael gould]

bigkeeko said:

michael gould said:

Cotty said:

H22observer said:

Why is my car important?

This is predominantly a motoring forum. If people do not list cars in their profile, people will ask what you drive because it might be interesting, rare, fast etc. If I met a PHer in a pub I would ask him or her what they drove.

Are you defensive about what you drive. My car is worth less than £3k

I think my last service cost that much

I spent more than that on a valve cap.

I spent that much on an oil painting 3 weeks ago of a dog turd .......beat that

[bigkeeko]

michael gould said:

I spent that much on an oil painting 3 weeks ago of a dog turd .......beat that

I light my cigars with £50 notes. I smoke a 100 a day and between cigars I like to smash up my Audemars Piguet collection with claw hammer.

[cho]

H22observer said:

Wacky Racer said:

cho said:

Just as nobody aspires to owning a £5 watch bought from the local market. Everyone, given the choice, would want bigger, better and more expensive be it watches, cars, houses or any other luxury good or even necessity. Why pick on watches when the same applies to anything that can be bought

Not true. Some people are happy with what they have got. I don't aspire to a bigger better house, car or anything else, except good health.

I agree.

Selective agreeing H22? Do you also agree with Wacky Racer saying that he(I assume) also doesn't mind if someone wants to spend 30k on a watch?

Wit all due respect to you Wacky Racer, I'm sure there must be something that you collect and would possibly spend x amount of money on which someone else might find excessive. What H22 doesn't seem to want to understand is that everyone is different and have different priorities and don't all place the same things in the same order of importance. Just because he doesn't want to spend so much money on a watch at the same time doesn't mean he should criticise others for doing so.

[Pommygranite]

H22observer said:

Pommygranite said:

Mosdef said:

H22observer said:

You could, but you would be completely wrong. Watches and Houses are not comparable.

If you had a house that had more rooms (+ a garage) than required, then you have the option of having children, allowing a friend or family member to move in, converting a spare room into a study, converting the garage into a gym, the option of taking in a tenant and helping pay the bills in later life if your situation changes.

It's about flexibility, practicality, piece of mind, quality of life and comfort.

Wanting to live in a reasonably nice area doesn't need any explanation.

Wanting to own a £20000 watch might though.

It's amazing how you keep missing the point. Why does wanting to own a £20k watch require an explanation? You probably aspire to own a few things worth £5 that I'd say are a waste of money.

He'd happily spend a ton on Xbox and Playsation games which are worth less than a used condom when used but that's justifiable but a nice watch isn't. There's literally no return from playing games

You don't seem to get it either.

A game costs around £25-35 and could probably be traded in or sold for £15-£25, depending on which game, which retailer you buy from and when you decide to buy/sell. The last game i bought was £18. I'll probably sell it for £12 when i'm done with it.

It amuses me that you refer to me as a "Left-Wing socialist" when i vote for UKIP.

Oh no I get it, I like gaming too, in fact I have both Xbox and Ps and play them on a 2.5m projector screen with full surround sound theatre room system which is awesome (the perks of working hard and liking nice things hey...) and what I know I they you don't make any momey gaming (unless you wait 20 years and have something original or work in gaming)and also are a massive waste of time with no tangible return - but apparently I'm stupid for having a nice watch...

Oh and everything you spout espouses a left wing socialist view.

[Mosdef]

H22observer said:

Mosdef said:

Pommygranite said:

Mosdef said:

H22observer said:

You could, but you would be completely wrong. Watches and Houses are not comparable.

If you had a house that had more rooms (+ a garage) than required, then you have the option of having children, allowing a friend or family member to move in, converting a spare room into a study, converting the garage into a gym, the option of taking in a tenant and helping pay the bills in later life if your situation changes.

It's about flexibility, practicality, piece of mind, quality of life and comfort.

Wanting to live in a reasonably nice area doesn't need any explanation.

Wanting to own a £20000 watch might though.

It's amazing how you keep missing the point. Why does wanting to own a £20k watch require an explanation? You probably aspire to own a few things worth £5 that I'd say are a waste of money.

He'd happily spend a ton on Xbox and Playsation games which are worth less than a used condom when used but that's justifiable but a nice watch isn't. There's literally no return from playing games but apparently its ok to enjoy that hobby but not another that doesnt meet his left wing socialist approval.

He just doesn't get it.

"It's about flexibility, practicality, piece of mind, quality of life and comfort." This is the bit that really mystifies me. If you're wealthy enough to afford a big house with lots of rooms for a variety of purposes, I very much doubt you're considering letting a friend or relative move in, letting a room out etc.

With respect, i think you're the one talking drivel.

Why would what YOU think be the case for every person in that situation? What if your best friend or brother had just been kicked out by his wife and needed help? Would you tell them to jog on and find somewhere else?

If you lost your job and had to take a 20% paycut, would you allow the household bills to pile up or would you accept the reality of the situation and rent a room to a work colleague?

...and why would you assume that the owner of a relatively cheap 4 bedroom house in the midlands would be "wealthy"?
Would they automatically have a higher income than someone who owns a 1 bedroom flat in London, just because they have more rooms?

I thought the context I was referring to was fairly clear i.e someone wealthy. If someone is buying a house for a few million quid they probably won't be thinking of practicality in the same vein there is a fair chance they would buy expensive jewellery, including a watch or 10. The point you've missed (along with the berk from the Telegraph) all along is that their spending habits are likely to be commensurate with their income and they might just go and spend what a couple of oddballs think is an unacceptable amount on a watch.

If you work harder you might start to understand some of the principles I've explained above.

Edited by Mosdef on Friday 1st August 08:50

[Mosdef]

H22observer said:

Wacky Racer said:

cho said:

Just as nobody aspires to owning a £5 watch bought from the local market. Everyone, given the choice, would want bigger, better and more expensive be it watches, cars, houses or any other luxury good or even necessity. Why pick on watches when the same applies to anything that can be bought

Not true. Some people are happy with what they have got. I don't aspire to a bigger better house, car or anything else, except good health.

I agree.

So you have no aspirations at all? What about this particularly funny/pathetic post from the inspirational thread, 'where do you realistically see yourself in.....'

H22observer said:

5 years time : I will not be married, no kids, same area of London, £31k salary, same job (or similar), i will be cash 'rich' (in some people's eyes) but still waiting for property prices to fall to affordable levels, still saving up money for a 40% deposit on a house because of insane property prices.

10 years time : I have started afresh in a different part of England, Not married but possibly co-habiting with a much younger partner, no kids, different job, £36k salary.

Wow - you must be quite excited about what lies ahead. If you're hoping to earn £31k in 5 years time and £36k 10 years from now, you're going to be having a ball!! Not sure you'll be cash rich either, unless viewed through the eyes of a Big Issue seller.

Having read this, if I didn't see see the problem before, I see it now very clearly. You think it's stupid of people with lots of money to go and buy expensive watches. However, you clearly have no understanding whatsoever of the liberties their lifestyle affords them. Most likely, just one of their holidays will cost multiples of your (gross) salary and buying a £100k watch is unlikely to be a status symbol, but simply purchased on the basis they like it.

[H22observer]

Mosdef said:

H22observer said:

Mosdef said:

Pommygranite said:

Mosdef said:

H22observer said:

You could, but you would be completely wrong. Watches and Houses are not comparable.

If you had a house that had more rooms (+ a garage) than required, then you have the option of having children, allowing a friend or family member to move in, converting a spare room into a study, converting the garage into a gym, the option of taking in a tenant and helping pay the bills in later life if your situation changes.

It's about flexibility, practicality, piece of mind, quality of life and comfort.

Wanting to live in a reasonably nice area doesn't need any explanation.

Wanting to own a £20000 watch might though.

It's amazing how you keep missing the point. Why does wanting to own a £20k watch require an explanation? You probably aspire to own a few things worth £5 that I'd say are a waste of money.

He'd happily spend a ton on Xbox and Playsation games which are worth less than a used condom when used but that's justifiable but a nice watch isn't. There's literally no return from playing games but apparently its ok to enjoy that hobby but not another that doesnt meet his left wing socialist approval.

He just doesn't get it.

"It's about flexibility, practicality, piece of mind, quality of life and comfort." This is the bit that really mystifies me. If you're wealthy enough to afford a big house with lots of rooms for a variety of purposes, I very much doubt you're considering letting a friend or relative move in, letting a room out etc.

With respect, i think you're the one talking drivel.

Why would what YOU think be the case for every person in that situation? What if your best friend or brother had just been kicked out by his wife and needed help? Would you tell them to jog on and find somewhere else?

If you lost your job and had to take a 20% paycut, would you allow the household bills to pile up or would you accept the reality of the situation and rent a room to a work colleague?

...and why would you assume that the owner of a relatively cheap 4 bedroom house in the midlands would be "wealthy"?
Would they automatically have a higher income than someone who owns a 1 bedroom flat in London, just because they have more rooms?

I thought the context I was referring to was fairly clear i.e someone wealthy. If someone is buying a house for a few million quid they probably won't be thinking of practicality in the same vein as you and there is a fair chance they would buy expensive jewellery, including a watch or 10. The point you've missed (along with the berk from the Telegraph) all along is that their spending habits are likely to be commensurate with their income and they might just go and spend what a couple of oddballs think is an unacceptable amount on a watch.

No, you're not being clear at all. I'm talking about fairly normal people, whereas you're waffling on about a small minority of multi-millionaires and their spending habits.

[Mosdef]

H22observer said:

No, you're not being clear at all. I'm talking about fairly normal people, whereas you're waffling on about a small minority of multi-millionaires and their spending habits.

But wasn't the article about wealthy people buying what they can afford and being labelled 'stupid' for it? That's pretty clear in my book.