Civilian aircraft protection

Civilian aircraft protection

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TheRealFingers99

1,996 posts

127 months

Friday 25th July 2014
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creampuff said:
Why bother with missiles when a bunch of jihadists can just turn up in a van with a load of AK-47s?
That. And if the good stuff can down Su 25s and the cheap stuff helicopters and military transport planes, what chance has any defensive system that EasyJet can afford got?

mcdjl

5,438 posts

194 months

Friday 25th July 2014
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TheRealFingers99 said:
That. And if the good stuff can down Su 25s and the cheap stuff helicopters and military transport planes, what chance has any defensive system that EasyJet can afford got?
Ryan air just need to play a few adverts and the on time arrival jingle and the missile will run for its life.

RizzoTheRat

25,083 posts

191 months

Friday 25th July 2014
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creampuff said:
Hahahaha. So we have an active system which needs to track a tiny surface to air missile travelling over the speed of sound, then point a laser at it, all within a few seconds. And on a civilian aircraft. I don't think so.
Systems exist and are on sale as linked to earlier
http://www.northropgrumman.com/capabilities/guardi...

Whether there's any point to them on a civil airliner is a completely different matter, and the missile that shot down MH17 is believed to be a radar guided SA-11 or SA-17 anyway. If you wanted to bring down an airliner there's much easier ways.

paulrussell said:
I think a laser could disable the IR sensor within time, but the missile would carry on and hit the aircraft.
Big sky, small aircraft, without the seeker head working the only chance of hitting the aircraft is if it was already on a trajectory that would hit without any manoeuvring and the aircraft continues straight and level.

anonymous-user

53 months

Friday 25th July 2014
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I love these threads. Like a chav version of JDW.

Eric Mc

121,770 posts

264 months

Friday 25th July 2014
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mcdjl said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
That. And if the good stuff can down Su 25s and the cheap stuff helicopters and military transport planes, what chance has any defensive system that EasyJet can afford got?
Ryan air just need to play a few adverts and the on time arrival jingle and the missile will run for its life.
No, Ryanair would charge each passenger an extra premium for "Missile Protection" - and then give you options regarding the type of miissile protection required i.e. infra-red, radar, laser guided etc.

RizzoTheRat

25,083 posts

191 months

Friday 25th July 2014
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Or would they just charge you for a parachute and leave it at that?

Eric Mc

121,770 posts

264 months

Friday 25th July 2014
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Yes - and charge extra for one that works.

mcdjl

5,438 posts

194 months

Friday 25th July 2014
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Eric Mc said:
Yes - and charge extra for one that works.
And extra still for the saw to cut your way out of the side, or to open a hatch for you.

steve j

3,223 posts

227 months

Friday 25th July 2014
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trashbat said:
uite right.
Any aircraft without full countermeasures is vulnerable regardless of its position. Chuff and fluff is only the beginning of self protection. Missile systems are becoming more effective and detecting the launch, whether from the ground or from the air is cost prohibitive, unless you are protecting high value assets.

0000

13,812 posts

190 months

Friday 25th July 2014
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Jim Campbell said:
Watching documentaries on C5's and C17's the crew's attitude upon entering war zones isn't "never mind the all the potential threats lads, we have plenty of flares"
It's not the attitude of fast jet pilots either.

The top trick though, I'd suggest, is to follow the same path of consideration and when you get to the bit that involves a civilian airliner traveling through the airspace of an effective war zone to choose an alternative route.