Police van reverses into car shocker

[Cat]

carinaman said:

I don't suppose a police officer has ever been disciplined for not admitting to or declaring damage to a vehicle hoping another police officer after them will get done for it?



Given the number of vehicles, miles travelled and officers something like that could never have happened.

Of course things like that can happen - no one has suggested otherwise. However the comment made was the Police will not admit when they make a mistake - clearly this is not the case given the content of the BBC story.

It is a shame that some people can't resist the urge to have a pop at the Police at any opportunity even if the facts in a specific case don't support their biased point of view and they just end up making themselves look a bit stupid.

Cat

[carinaman]

That white Fiat was obviously a fully paid up member of a violent protest group intent on raising mayhem in the capital! Basingstoke isn't that far from London after all.

[PAULJ5555]

Cat said:

PAULJ5555 said:

We all do except the police will not admit they do.

Yep, the Police never admit to mistakes...apart from this time

BBC News said:

A police officer has apologised after reversing a police van into a car parked in a Hampshire street.

and

BBC News said:

Ch Insp Simon Dodds said the officer was "mortified" and had taken full responsibility for the shunt.

Cat

Becasue it was on CCTV why would he not accept responsibility - I'm talking about the police telling people off for minor road mistakes while they will not admit that these mistakes could happen to them as they are trained professionals.

[carinaman]

Cat said:

It is a shame that some people can't resist the urge to have a pop at the Police at any opportunity even if the facts in a specific case don't support their biased point of view and they just end up making themselves look a bit stupid.

I was partially teasing and showing that police officers are human and capable of making the same errors of judgement as others.

I make mistakes and sometimes I look stupid. It's not the first time and won't be the last.

[anonymous-user]

PAULJ5555 said:

Because it was on CCTV why would he not accept responsibility - I'm talking about the police telling people off for minor road mistakes while they will not admit that these mistakes could happen to them as they are trained professionals.

She (you've really looked at the article well) got straight out and stopped to exchange details and contact her supervisor. Unless she had some sixth CCTV sense I'm guessing she didn't know.

That's the problem with writing the first, instinctive generalisation in your head, it's not hard to pull apart. Especially when the example you're talking about demonstrates the exact opposite

[Elroy Blue]

Red 4 said:

..... and in today's force suggestion box someone has come up with the idea of fitting parking sensors to all police vehicles.

This is necessary to restore public confidence and trust due to the appalling standard of reversing shown recently in a BBC news article.

As perception is everything the Senior Management Team will shortly be engaged in endless meetings to discuss this matter. A multi-agency approach will also be adopted and comments and suggestions are welcomed from partner agencies (tea and biccies will be provided at meetings - all are welcome).

Hampshire Constabulary expects and demands the highest standards from its officers. Sadly, this officer's behaviour fell well below that which is required and the matter has been referred internally to The Professional Standards Department. We have also referred the matter voluntarily to the IPCC.
The investigations will be long, drawn-out and likely to cause undue stress and misery to the officer concerned. (the end result will be NFA and the officer is likely to be sent on a Transit van reversing course lasting several weeks and costing several thousands of pounds).

On a lighter note a senior officer is likely to receive a further promotion on the back of the reversing sensors issue after taking "ownership" of the matter.

Theresa May has stood up in Parliament and demanded a full enquiry into #reversinggate. She stated it is yet another example of corrupt Police destroying trust and confidence. She has demanded that all funds in the Federation coffers should be forfeited immediately. "We really must keep these despicable actions in the public eye" she said (because it helps her leadership ambitions and keeps kiddy fiddler Tories out of the press)

[Elroy Blue]

carinaman said:

I make mistakes and sometimes I look stupid.

7654 times at the last count.

[Mk3Spitfire]

Elroy Blue said:

carinaman said:

I make mistakes and sometimes I look stupid.

7654 times at the last count.

[Sheepshanks]

blank said:

ging84 said:

Police van reverses at fairly slow speed

Looks pretty fast to me. Unless it's the video making it look fast, I wouldn't reverse a car that fast somewhere like that, never mind a van.

Can't have been that big an impact - the delivery driver across the road didn't appear to even notice.

I reckon the Fiat was asking for it, anyway.

[mybrainhurts]

Ch Insp Simon Dodds said:

the officer was "mortified"

They executed him?

Bit harsh...

[Greendubber]

PAULJ5555 said:

Becasue it was on CCTV why would he not accept responsibility - I'm talking about the police telling people off for minor road mistakes while they will not admit that these mistakes could happen to them as they are trained professionals.

....really?

[mph1977]

Eclassy said:

I hope this one hasnt been on the advanced driving course we are regularly told about.

it's a 'local' van and a cat B vehicle to boot ...

the driver lis more likely to be a basic ( which can be a little as a drive round the block after checking licence validity) or standard / response driver ... although the 'standard' ES course is what the lay public considers advanced ...

[Who me ?]

I know we've got a few PC's on here, so this tale might raise a chuckle. Lots of years ago, before local team moved out of area, we used to get vans galore round the area . One Saturday I followed one to a road junction where it indicated right, giving me plenty of space on it's inside. I'd only gotten near the back bumper when it moved left and we bumper rubbed. ( No blues). Driver was a PC, passenger was an Inspector who explained he'd told driver to change direction .No real damage- bit of paint changed hands ,so I let it go. But I've never had my ass so well kissed by Police. Few days later we got visit from our beat PC,( on other business) who loved the tale . I never heard any more, but local lad thought it might be a good "tale for the lads"

[Greendubber]

mph1977 said:

it's a 'local' van and a cat B vehicle to boot ...

the driver lis more likely to be a basic ( which can be a little as a drive round the block after checking licence validity) or standard / response driver ... although the 'standard' ES course is what the lay public considers advanced ...

We have a few ex traffic folk who are still advance that are on neighbourhood etc but due to cuts they won't keep their grades as it's not role specific.

Best bit is they're bumped back down to basic so no blue lights for the "once driving gods" it's going down a treat with them....

[carinaman]

Greendubber said:

We have a few ex traffic folk who are still advance that are on neighbourhood etc but due to cuts they won't keep their grades as it's not role specific.

Best bit is they're bumped back down to basic so no blue lights for the "once driving gods" it's going down a treat with them....

I am sure some PCC Tony Hogg lip balm will help soothe their sticky out lower lips.

[Red 4]

Greendubber said:

We have a few ex traffic folk who are still advance that are on neighbourhood etc but due to cuts they won't keep their grades as it's not role specific.

Best bit is they're bumped back down to basic so no blue lights for the "once driving gods" it's going down a treat with them....

What an absolutely stupid policy. Surely it would be better for the advanced folk to keep their qualification until such time that a refresher/ requal is required.

The lunatics have finally taken over the asylum.

[mph1977]

Red 4 said:

Greendubber said:

We have a few ex traffic folk who are still advance that are on neighbourhood etc but due to cuts they won't keep their grades as it's not role specific.

Best bit is they're bumped back down to basic so no blue lights for the "once driving gods" it's going down a treat with them....

What an absolutely stupid policy. Surely it would be better for the advanced folk to keep their qualification until such time that a refresher/ requal is required.

The lunatics have finally taken over the asylum.

Dropping them to basic is slightly mad, but dropping people who are no longer in a advanced driver role and don;t have access to advanced vehicles is a reasonable risk control measure - given that 'standard response' drivers and vehicles have lights and sirens , it;s not like the Met of the late 1980s / early 1990s when pandas were first fitted with a blue light and the switch was placed i nthe boot as it was scene protection ( advanced drivers soon reportedly circumvented this with a remote switch on a length of cable that could be clipped to the back of the boot mounted switch to allow them to swithc the light from the driver's seat).

[singlecoil]

Mk3Spitfire said:

Elroy Blue said:

carinaman said:

I make mistakes and sometimes I look stupid.

7654 times at the last count.

CM is like static when listening to a radio broadcast, just a mildly irritating noise that one has to try to tune out. On threads like this I try to keep an eye on the log-in names in the left hand sidebar so as to avoid reading his nonsense altogether, sometimes he catches me out and I find myself reading a couple of lines before I realise.

[Baryonyx]

Why bother even sending a 'roads policing' officer down to the scene? Caught on camera, the driver has admitted mistake - it's a damage only collision. What a waste of time. Everyone makes mistakes and police drivers are probably the safest fleet in the country per the miles that they do, especially given the demands on them.

[Mk3Spitfire]

singlecoil said:

I try to keep an eye on the log-in names in the left hand sidebar so as to avoid reading his nonsense altogether, sometimes he catches me out and I find myself reading a couple of lines before I realise.

Literally what I do.