More Temptation!
Discussion
Passing JCT600 yesterday I decided to call in and have a chat about V12VS roadsters now the factory have officially released them. Turns out the dealers still know very little. They have not got pricing structure and are not taking orders at the moment. They have not even got a build slot for demo cars.
So I decided to have a drive of a V12VS coupe to see what it was like.
Their demo car is a V12 version of Pearl, looked nice.
Not too much of an opportunity to "really" drive it round Leeds
It was enough to note the front end is heavy, the suspension and CCM's work very well.
ASM3 is a little better than my old ASM2 set up, but worse than Johnny is now.
Sport button improves it all, but even with that in it is quieter than a stock V8VS
Sad to say it left me a little underwhelmed
Last night I used the coupe price list +£10k roadster premium to spec the car I'd want -£186,710!
As I got back wifey was wandering round the Vanquish Volante demo in Morning Frost (Iphone pic doesn't do it justice) fantastic colour!
Vanquish Volante by mikey k V8VR, on Flickr
Tim offered us a drive in that on the same route.
The interior is very nice and a quantum leap from my Vantage. Some really nice touches including a cup holder that you can actually use
lots of the buttons have been moved to the flip up screen and the joy stick, the only thing that put me off the interior was the look of the square 1-77 steering wheel. 
Externally I'd always struggled with the look of the front lip, on this car they have tied it in well with black grills, meshes and CF trims. It looks great.
The exhaust note is sublime. It has a Sport button and 3 stage damping as per the V12VS, it has the same engine but mated to a 6 speed ZF gearbox. Strangely I found this box better to use on the paddles than the V12VS (especially in Sport mode!)
I soon had it in hard suspension and the sport button on (they are on the steering wheel!)
Due to the small difference in weight to the V12VS it is just as quick, not quite as nimble, but surprisingly good. It looks like a big car but is the same width as a vantage and not that much longer.
Wifey also had a drive and was very pleased with it, one thing we both noted was the seats on both were no where near as good as the light weights in Johnny.
I'm tempted, this is going to take some serious man maths!
So I decided to have a drive of a V12VS coupe to see what it was like.
Their demo car is a V12 version of Pearl, looked nice.
Not too much of an opportunity to "really" drive it round Leeds
It was enough to note the front end is heavy, the suspension and CCM's work very well.
ASM3 is a little better than my old ASM2 set up, but worse than Johnny is now.
Sport button improves it all, but even with that in it is quieter than a stock V8VS
Sad to say it left me a little underwhelmed
Last night I used the coupe price list +£10k roadster premium to spec the car I'd want -£186,710!
As I got back wifey was wandering round the Vanquish Volante demo in Morning Frost (Iphone pic doesn't do it justice) fantastic colour!
Vanquish Volante by mikey k V8VR, on FlickrTim offered us a drive in that on the same route.
The interior is very nice and a quantum leap from my Vantage. Some really nice touches including a cup holder that you can actually use
lots of the buttons have been moved to the flip up screen and the joy stick, the only thing that put me off the interior was the look of the square 1-77 steering wheel. Externally I'd always struggled with the look of the front lip, on this car they have tied it in well with black grills, meshes and CF trims. It looks great.
The exhaust note is sublime. It has a Sport button and 3 stage damping as per the V12VS, it has the same engine but mated to a 6 speed ZF gearbox. Strangely I found this box better to use on the paddles than the V12VS (especially in Sport mode!)
I soon had it in hard suspension and the sport button on (they are on the steering wheel!)
Due to the small difference in weight to the V12VS it is just as quick, not quite as nimble, but surprisingly good. It looks like a big car but is the same width as a vantage and not that much longer.
Wifey also had a drive and was very pleased with it, one thing we both noted was the seats on both were no where near as good as the light weights in Johnny.
I'm tempted, this is going to take some serious man maths!
thanks - interesting Mikey
The only slight surprises were your comments on ASM3 and pricing
On ASM3, I can imagine that some elements of a single shift when looked at in isolation may be better in Johnny (which obviously I've never driven) but I thought it a huge improvement over ASM2 in terms of the shifts alone and also, there are some functional elements to ASM3 which are a big improvement, via the software with the new engine management chip.
On pricing, I am aware of some dealers taking orders/booking/booked slots but not having the actual prices. I believe it will be an 8k premium as per the V8. I'm struggling to see what takes it to 186, unless it's some of the V12VS introduced cosmetic options - not disputing, just intrigued. From a slightly higher base point, including Q, going for everything except B&O and then some, I got to less than 170k on my v12vr
The only slight surprises were your comments on ASM3 and pricing
On ASM3, I can imagine that some elements of a single shift when looked at in isolation may be better in Johnny (which obviously I've never driven) but I thought it a huge improvement over ASM2 in terms of the shifts alone and also, there are some functional elements to ASM3 which are a big improvement, via the software with the new engine management chip.
On pricing, I am aware of some dealers taking orders/booking/booked slots but not having the actual prices. I believe it will be an 8k premium as per the V8. I'm struggling to see what takes it to 186, unless it's some of the V12VS introduced cosmetic options - not disputing, just intrigued. From a slightly higher base point, including Q, going for everything except B&O and then some, I got to less than 170k on my v12vr
Lottojonby said:
thanks - interesting Mikey
The only slight surprises were your comments on ASM3 and pricing
On ASM3, I can imagine that some elements of a single shift when looked at in isolation may be better in Johnny (which obviously I've never driven) but I thought it a huge improvement over ASM2 in terms of the shifts alone and also, there are some functional elements to ASM3 which are a big improvement, via the software with the new engine management chip.
On pricing, I am aware of some dealers taking orders/booking/booked slots but not having the actual prices. I believe it will be an 8k premium as per the V8. I'm struggling to see what takes it to 186, unless it's some of the V12VS introduced cosmetic options - not disputing, just intrigued. From a slightly higher base point, including Q, going for everything except B&O and then some, I got to less than 170k on my v12vr
In fairness ASM3 is a lot better than ASM2, but Johnny's rebuild of ASM2, the lighter clutch/flywheel and the balanced engine means it is better than ASM3 IMHO.The only slight surprises were your comments on ASM3 and pricing
On ASM3, I can imagine that some elements of a single shift when looked at in isolation may be better in Johnny (which obviously I've never driven) but I thought it a huge improvement over ASM2 in terms of the shifts alone and also, there are some functional elements to ASM3 which are a big improvement, via the software with the new engine management chip.
On pricing, I am aware of some dealers taking orders/booking/booked slots but not having the actual prices. I believe it will be an 8k premium as per the V8. I'm struggling to see what takes it to 186, unless it's some of the V12VS introduced cosmetic options - not disputing, just intrigued. From a slightly higher base point, including Q, going for everything except B&O and then some, I got to less than 170k on my v12vr
JCT were willing to get me a build slot but it's chicken and egg until I know prices.
A quick run down the V12VS options list;
Exterior CF pack £3k
Coloured Calipers £900
Front grill CF & body colour £700
CF side strakes £1k
Black meshes £700
Special AML colour £3.5k
Silver L weight wheels £3k
Front park sensors £400
CF fascia £1k
CF internal pack £3k
Contemporary leather £1k
Contemporary carpet £1k
Fine stitching £400
Headrest Logos £500
Reverse camera £1k
B&O £5.5k
Light weight seats £2.5k
It all adds up!
Edited by mikey k on Thursday 24th July 13:26
AMDBSNick said:
mikey k said:
Saw a swatch of that unusual colour 
There's a press car (we see quite a few round here) that I've seen a few times. Absolutely stunning 
AMDBSNick said:
As you know The Moose now has DB9V. Guess what my long term plan is In Ocellus Teal 
That's an awesome colour. In Ocellus Teal Mikey what would you do with the V8VSR then? Would they take part ex of it after all your mods? I imagine it would be fairly difficult to sell on. Also don't get one in white
especially when there are so many fantastic colours available for them (see above). mikey k said:
jonby said:
thanks - interesting Mikey
The only slight surprises were your comments on ASM3 and pricing
On ASM3, I can imagine that some elements of a single shift when looked at in isolation may be better in Johnny (which obviously I've never driven) but I thought it a huge improvement over ASM2 in terms of the shifts alone and also, there are some functional elements to ASM3 which are a big improvement, via the software with the new engine management chip.
On pricing, I am aware of some dealers taking orders/booking/booked slots but not having the actual prices. I believe it will be an 8k premium as per the V8. I'm struggling to see what takes it to 186, unless it's some of the V12VS introduced cosmetic options - not disputing, just intrigued. From a slightly higher base point, including Q, going for everything except B&O and then some, I got to less than 170k on my v12vr
In fairness ASM3 is a lot better than ASM2, but Johnny's rebuild of ASM2, the lighter clutch/flywheel and the balanced engine means it is better than ASM3 IMHO.The only slight surprises were your comments on ASM3 and pricing
On ASM3, I can imagine that some elements of a single shift when looked at in isolation may be better in Johnny (which obviously I've never driven) but I thought it a huge improvement over ASM2 in terms of the shifts alone and also, there are some functional elements to ASM3 which are a big improvement, via the software with the new engine management chip.
On pricing, I am aware of some dealers taking orders/booking/booked slots but not having the actual prices. I believe it will be an 8k premium as per the V8. I'm struggling to see what takes it to 186, unless it's some of the V12VS introduced cosmetic options - not disputing, just intrigued. From a slightly higher base point, including Q, going for everything except B&O and then some, I got to less than 170k on my v12vr
JCT were willing to get me a build slot but it's chicken and egg until I know prices.
A quick run down the V12VS options list;
Exterior CF pack £3k
Coloured Calipers £900
Front grill CF & body colour £700
CF side strakes £1k
Black meshes £700
Special AML colour £3.5k
Silver L weight wheels £3k
Front park sensors £400
CF fascia £1k
CF internal pack £3k
Contemporary leather £1k
Contemporary carpet £1k
Fine stitching £400
Headrest Logos £500
Reverse camera £1k
B&O £5.5k
Light weight seats £2.5k
It all adds up!
Edited by mikey k on Thursday 24th July 13:26
B&O is the biggy and I don't like the space it eats into in the boot, whilst reverse camera isn't something I'm fussed about - as I say, I can see where it all adds up for you
What's the internal CF pack at 3k? Facia you list separately at 1k. Door pulls will I assume be standard in CF ? All I can think of is the paddles - anything else ?
And on the exterior CF pack, also 3k, is that just rear light infills & mirror caps because I see you list the side strakes in CF separately. If so, that's astonishing at £750 per (small) piece....
jonby said:
it really does add up ! of course the external CF was all 'free' on V12VR. Lightweight wheels would be something I'd order on V12VS but not 'aftermarket' on V12VR which they were never made for and I see cost 3k
B&O is the biggy and I don't like the space it eats into in the boot, whilst reverse camera isn't something I'm fussed about - as I say, I can see where it all adds up for you
What's the internal CF pack at 3k? Facia you list separately at 1k. Door pulls will I assume be standard in CF ? All I can think of is the paddles - anything else ?
And on the exterior CF pack, also 3k, is that just rear light infills & mirror caps because I see you list the side strakes in CF separately. If so, that's astonishing at £750 per (small) piece....
I was chatting to Lloyd at Grange the other day and they have a MF White V12VS demonstrator which he said if all options were included on a Roadster would price it at £180k - so pretty close to Mikey's. It had B&O, lightweights seats and wheels and full CF so is very well specified. It did not have CF paddles which if memory serves me right are £3k? and all the CF stuff we got on our roasters are options. The door pulls are not even CF and cost extra. So, on the face of it our roadsters were more expensive but the reality is that if specced similarly with all the CF included they were probably not! I think anyone ordering will be up in the £175/180k range very easily.B&O is the biggy and I don't like the space it eats into in the boot, whilst reverse camera isn't something I'm fussed about - as I say, I can see where it all adds up for you
What's the internal CF pack at 3k? Facia you list separately at 1k. Door pulls will I assume be standard in CF ? All I can think of is the paddles - anything else ?
And on the exterior CF pack, also 3k, is that just rear light infills & mirror caps because I see you list the side strakes in CF separately. If so, that's astonishing at £750 per (small) piece....
I understood dealers had placed orders for demonstrators unless they had previously sold the slot to a customer. Deliveries should start around November.
IanV12VR said:
jonby said:
it really does add up ! of course the external CF was all 'free' on V12VR. Lightweight wheels would be something I'd order on V12VS but not 'aftermarket' on V12VR which they were never made for and I see cost 3k
B&O is the biggy and I don't like the space it eats into in the boot, whilst reverse camera isn't something I'm fussed about - as I say, I can see where it all adds up for you
What's the internal CF pack at 3k? Facia you list separately at 1k. Door pulls will I assume be standard in CF ? All I can think of is the paddles - anything else ?
And on the exterior CF pack, also 3k, is that just rear light infills & mirror caps because I see you list the side strakes in CF separately. If so, that's astonishing at £750 per (small) piece....
I was chatting to Lloyd at Grange the other day and they have a MF White V12VS demonstrator which he said if all options were included on a Roadster would price it at £180k - so pretty close to Mikey's. It had B&O, lightweights seats and wheels and full CF so is very well specified. It did not have CF paddles which if memory serves me right are £3k? and all the CF stuff we got on our roasters are options. The door pulls are not even CF and cost extra. So, on the face of it our roadsters were more expensive but the reality is that if specced similarly with all the CF included they were probably not! I think anyone ordering will be up in the £175/180k range very easily.B&O is the biggy and I don't like the space it eats into in the boot, whilst reverse camera isn't something I'm fussed about - as I say, I can see where it all adds up for you
What's the internal CF pack at 3k? Facia you list separately at 1k. Door pulls will I assume be standard in CF ? All I can think of is the paddles - anything else ?
And on the exterior CF pack, also 3k, is that just rear light infills & mirror caps because I see you list the side strakes in CF separately. If so, that's astonishing at £750 per (small) piece....
I understood dealers had placed orders for demonstrators unless they had previously sold the slot to a customer. Deliveries should start around November.
J12MOC said:
Mikey...The big question...How did they compare to Johnny?;)
I'd need to wring their necks on some back roads but initial impressions V12VS nothing in it, Johnny turns in a bit quicker due to less front end weight. Vanquish is a VERY different animal and I actually prefer it to the V12VS. Not sure it is £120k better than Johnny though mikey k said:
............Vanquish is a VERY different animal and I actually prefer it to the V12VS. Not sure it is £120k better than Johnny though
I much preferred a DBS over the V12VS Mikey and find that a totally different car and wouldn't swap back - The V12VS was certainly not my V12V plus £70k either.How about a DBS Volante
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