2 stage accelerator pedals

2 stage accelerator pedals

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kambites

67,556 posts

221 months

Thursday 24th July 2014
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jon- said:
MOST cars?

I'm fortunate enough to drive a lot of cars with work, and can't remember noticing a step on any throttle.
I didn't mean a physical step in the throttle pedal. I meant a step change in the engine's fuel to air ratio. hehe

I was merely hypothesising that the manufacturer in question might have chosen to make the position of the change-over apparent to the drive by introducing a change in the stiffness of the pedal. It sounds like that's not the case though, and it's the point of speed governer override.

Edited by kambites on Thursday 24th July 13:47

t1grm

4,655 posts

284 months

Thursday 24th July 2014
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On my Mondeo I cut a hole in the floor to allow the accelerator pedal to travel further. I got at least a 10% increase in performance.

FFRR7

31 posts

123 months

Thursday 24th July 2014
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I had the same thing on a 61 plate Merc C250 (auto). Driving along normally, depress the accelerator over 50% would result in a kick down, but nice and smooth to overtake on a motorway without the passengers (disapproving in-laws) thinking you were driving like a loon. At 80% throttle there was second stage to the kick down, usually kicking down 2 gears. In my mind, it felt counterproductive to ever do this as it would always throw the revs to near enough 4500rpm right where it runs out of puff.

jon-

16,509 posts

216 months

Thursday 24th July 2014
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kambites said:
jon- said:
MOST cars?

I'm fortunate enough to drive a lot of cars with work, and can't remember noticing a step on any throttle.
I didn't mean a physical step in the throttle pedal. I meant a step change in the engine's fuel to air ratio. hehe

I was merely hypothesising that the manufacturer in question might have chosen to make the position of the change-over apparent to the drive by introducing a change in the stiffness of the pedal. It sounds like that's not the case though, and it's the point of speed governer override.

Edited by kambites on Thursday 24th July 13:47
hehe Phew

MrMoonyMan

2,584 posts

211 months

Thursday 24th July 2014
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t1grm said:
On my Mondeo I cut a hole in the floor to allow the accelerator pedal to travel further. I got at least a 10% increase in performance.
Tut tut. I thought of doing this but fortunately before I did I opened the bonnet and adjusted the throttle cable so it was a lot tighter.

Car was instantly 25% faster and more powerful. Traffic, not so good.

Cyder

7,052 posts

220 months

Thursday 24th July 2014
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Jurgen said:
Can you set an electronic speed limiter? If so than it won't go past that speed unless you push the pedal all the way.
This is the correct answer.

In normal driving pressing it into the last quarter doesn't (I think) open the throttle any more. It's purely to disengage the speed limiter/cruise.

t1grm

4,655 posts

284 months

Thursday 24th July 2014
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MrMoonyMan said:
t1grm said:
On my Mondeo I cut a hole in the floor to allow the accelerator pedal to travel further. I got at least a 10% increase in performance.
Tut tut. I thought of doing this but fortunately before I did I opened the bonnet and adjusted the throttle cable so it was a lot tighter.

Car was instantly 25% faster and more powerful. Traffic, not so good.
Will try this also driving

MrMoonyMan

2,584 posts

211 months

Thursday 24th July 2014
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t1grm said:
MrMoonyMan said:
t1grm said:
On my Mondeo I cut a hole in the floor to allow the accelerator pedal to travel further. I got at least a 10% increase in performance.
Tut tut. I thought of doing this but fortunately before I did I opened the bonnet and adjusted the throttle cable so it was a lot tighter.

Car was instantly 25% faster and more powerful. Traffic, not so good.
Will try this also driving
You'll be amazed. Especially with your existing hole.

I was instantly beating RS turbos and M5s with my 1.4 Astra. Amazing.

Urban Sports

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11,321 posts

203 months

Thursday 24th July 2014
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Cyder said:
This is the correct answer.

In normal driving pressing it into the last quarter doesn't (I think) open the throttle any more. It's purely to disengage the speed limiter/cruise.
What a crap feature.

Cyder

7,052 posts

220 months

Thursday 24th July 2014
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Why's that? It means you can have the speed limiter or cruise set and stamp on the throttle should you need to accelerate quickly for some reason.

It's not generally at 3/4's travel either, maybe 9/10 of the travel.

Urban Sports

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11,321 posts

203 months

Thursday 24th July 2014
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Cyder said:
Why's that? It means you can have the speed limiter or cruise set and stamp on the throttle should you need to accelerate quickly for some reason.

It's not generally at 3/4's travel either, maybe 9/10 of the travel.
Accelerate quickly in this POS that's ambitious.

kambites

67,556 posts

221 months

Friday 25th July 2014
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Urban Sports said:
What a crap feature.
Sounds like quite a good one to me. It means those who want to can run a speed limiter but if they need to accelerate in a hurry they can still do so without faffing about turning it off.

Martin_Hx

3,955 posts

198 months

Friday 25th July 2014
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Hasn't the right foot been a speed limiter for 100 years?

In glad my car only has abs!

Mercury00

4,103 posts

156 months

Friday 25th July 2014
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Urban Sports said:
Currently in Spain
Urban Sports said:
Manuel
rofl Good one.

Urban Sports

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11,321 posts

203 months

Friday 25th July 2014
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Martin_Hx said:
Hasn't the right foot been a speed limiter for 100 years?

In glad my car only has abs!
I very rarely use cc but then again I rarely go anywhere at a constant speed.

Fastdruid

8,639 posts

152 months

Friday 25th July 2014
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Urban Sports said:
Currently in Spain driving a brand new Megane Bose diesel and it's got an accelerator pedal that goes down to about 3/4 and then needs a harder shove to get it to the floor, it's not the first car I've driven that does this but I genuinely can't think of a reason for it?
Sounds like the throttle pedal fitted to all movie cars. They all seem to need an extra harder shove to get full throttle after they've already been racing "flat out" neck and neck for 5 minutes. Certainly I assume that's why you get some footage of them pressing the pedal to the floor.

framerateuk

2,733 posts

184 months

Friday 25th July 2014
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Yeah 100% throttle is before the "click" point, the point after that will just disable the speed limiter or cruise control in case you need a sudden boost of speed.

Having had it on my car for 4 years, I can't say I even notice it anymore.

Noesph

1,151 posts

149 months

Friday 25th July 2014
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Same on Dad's laguna. Where that click is, is where you bypass the cruise control and start accelerating.

Debaser

5,837 posts

261 months

Friday 25th July 2014
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It's nothing to do with performance. It's to disable the speed limiter.

MC Bodge

21,628 posts

175 months

Friday 25th July 2014
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I'm a man who likes to think that he can put the pedal to the metal if required.

I drove a Fiat 500L rental car. In a comedy drag race I was soundly beaten by a Picasso.

I then realised that the pedal went further with more of a prod. Full power was now available.

There were no more scalpings by Picassos.

I assumed it was an EU test frig of some sort.