US Lethal injection crim takes 2 hours to die

[lord trumpton]

Inquiry into what went wrong

Chap on death row for murder of his girlfriend and her father. Lethal injection given but takes 2 hours to kill him instead of 10 minutes.

A relative of the deceased said:

"This man conducted a horrific murder and you guys are going, let's worry about the drugs,'' said Richard Brown. "Why didn't they give him a bullet?"

[wolves_wanderer]

He's got a point. If you are a fan of the death penalty (I'm fairly neutral, broadly against if I had to choose) , the whole quasi-medical thing doesn't seem to be working. A bullet, guillotine or hanging would seem a better way of doing it, if harder on the witnesses.

[aw51 121565]

The needles (there are at least two placed in situ in case the first blocks up) are inserted by untrained staff - inserting needles for execution goes against the Hippocratic Oath so no 'medic' would ever do it (the difficulties of getting venous access are often compounded because people being executed regularly have collapsed veins from previous drug use as well...).

I'd suggest the problem starts here, some time before the drugs are injected .

(And no, I'm not in favour of lethal injection - or any form of execution.)

[shep1001]

If he had not of killed 2 people in cold blood then he would not of found himself in the situation he did. It took a while, so what, don't want to find yourself on the end of the needle then don't go killing people.

[Oakey]

Can't they just give them a massive dose of heroin? Why are they mixing and matching drugs and waiting to see what happens?

[Oakey]

shep1001 said:

If he had not of killed 2 people in cold blood then he would not of found himself in the situation he did. It took a while, so what, don't want to find yourself on the end of the needle then don't go killing people.

Typical PH response. God forbid there is ever a miscarriage of justice, eh?

[Dick Dastardly]

There's a good article on this subject in the latest issue of GQ, if anyone wants to read up on the history of how drugs have been used in executions.

[Baryonyx]

I feel no sympathy for the dead man, but being pragmatic, surely an automated garotte or remotely triggered firearm would be the cheapest and easiest way or doing it.

The garotte would be quite simple and very cheap, just attach the wire to a revolving plate and loop it round the prisoner's throat, let the plate spin and tension the wire until they are strangled to death.

[Oakey]

Baryonyx said:

I feel no sympathy for the dead man, but being pragmatic, surely an automated garotte or remotely triggered firearm would be the cheapest and easiest way or doing it.

The garotte would be quite simple and very cheap, just attach the wire to a revolving plate and loop it round the prisoner's throat, let the plate spin and tension the wire until they are strangled to death.

Yeah, the people who have come to watch will love that when the head pops off

[Baryonyx]

Use a thicker, softer cord and it'll just choke and kill. Use a wire, and it will get messy.

[Axionknight]

Oakey said:

Typical PH response. God forbid there is ever a miscarriage of justice, eh?

How many of those has there been since say, the year 2000?

[Oakey]

I jest, there was a st Ridley Scott film with Michael Fassbender and Brad Pitt where such a device is used and the victims head pops off

[wolves_wanderer]

Oakey said:

shep1001 said:

If he had not of killed 2 people in cold blood then he would not of found himself in the situation he did. It took a while, so what, don't want to find yourself on the end of the needle then don't go killing people.

Typical PH response. God forbid there is ever a miscarriage of justice, eh?

Perfect in every way, even down to of instead of have. Fantastic

[Oakey]

Axionknight said:

How many of those has there been since say, the year 2000?

Do you know the answer then? I don't but a quick google suggests 4percent of people on death row may be innocent:

http://time.com/79572/more-innocent-people-on-deat...

[jurbie]

Micheal Portillo did a documentary a while ago where he tried to find a humane execution method. In the end it was decided that suffocating (if that's the right word) with Nitrogen is the best way to do it because it's clean, painless and as the brain is starved of oxygen the whole experience becomes quite euphoric for the victim.

[Pappa Lurve]

Oakey said:

Axionknight said:

How many of those has there been since say, the year 2000?

Do you know the answer then? I don't but a quick google suggests 4percent of people on death row may be innocent:

http://time.com/79572/more-innocent-people-on-deat...

Silly question. It can take years for a miscarriage of justice to come to light, if ever, so the number is by definition impossible to know.Up and until the justice system is 100% invaluable, innocent people will end up being killed by the State. No matter how much may support the death penalty, and I personally don't, but until anyone can say 100% that a miscarriage is beyond any possibility, the death penalty is in some cases murder by the State.

[Busterbulldog]

There are faster methods

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfsMMVgIToA

[catso]

Whilst not necessarily the best method, the intended outcome was achieved and I find it hard to sympathise with the criminal who had the option to not commit the crime in the first instance.

[shep1001]

Oakey said:

Typical PH response. God forbid there is ever a miscarriage of justice, eh?

In this case his conviction was safe. Death penalty is fine in my book where there is no doubt as to the guilt of the offender.

[sirtyro]

Busterbulldog said:

There are faster methods

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfsMMVgIToA

That is genius! The funniest bit is the comments by some people who think its real!!!