US Lethal injection crim takes 2 hours to die
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I refuse to believe that chem-tech for a quick cheap death is not on hand; I know for sure it is. That aside, the electric chair, old sparky we called ours at the Louisiana State Pen, is not without trauma and messiness. I still feel the correctly placed bullet is the quickest method. It is also the cheapest, especially if you send the bill to the next of kin.
That said, I sort of lean toward no death penalty but a miserable life in prison. I know it costs much more but sitting there, forced to watch reruns of Piers Morgan or something similar (is there something similar?)for the rest of one's natural life would have one begging for death.
That said, I sort of lean toward no death penalty but a miserable life in prison. I know it costs much more but sitting there, forced to watch reruns of Piers Morgan or something similar (is there something similar?)for the rest of one's natural life would have one begging for death.
Edited by Jimbeaux on Friday 25th July 15:18
Jimbeaux said:
I refuse to believe that chem-tech for a quick cheap death is not on hand; I know for sure it is. That aside, the electric chair, old sparky we called ours at the Louisiana State Pen, is not without trauma and messiness. I still feel the correctly placed bullet is the quickest method. It is also the cheapest, especially if you send the bill to the next of kin.
That said, I sort of lean toward no death penalty but a miserable life in prison. I know it costs much more but sitting there, forced to watch reruns of Piers Morgan or something similar (is there something similar?)for the rest of one's natural life would have one begging for death.
I think you sum it up nicely there are circumstances where it may seem best form of punishment not all killers deserve it but life can be really hard I say a guy on Trevor Mcdonald show who was in prison since 15 he was now 40 with no parol thats got to be really hard.That said, I sort of lean toward no death penalty but a miserable life in prison. I know it costs much more but sitting there, forced to watch reruns of Piers Morgan or something similar (is there something similar?)for the rest of one's natural life would have one begging for death.
Edited by Jimbeaux on Friday 25th July 15:18
Gecko1978 said:
Jimbeaux said:
I refuse to believe that chem-tech for a quick cheap death is not on hand; I know for sure it is. That aside, the electric chair, old sparky we called ours at the Louisiana State Pen, is not without trauma and messiness. I still feel the correctly placed bullet is the quickest method. It is also the cheapest, especially if you send the bill to the next of kin.
That said, I sort of lean toward no death penalty but a miserable life in prison. I know it costs much more but sitting there, forced to watch reruns of Piers Morgan or something similar (is there something similar?)for the rest of one's natural life would have one begging for death.
I think you sum it up nicely there are circumstances where it may seem best form of punishment not all killers deserve it but life can be really hard I say a guy on Trevor Mcdonald show who was in prison since 15 he was now 40 with no parol thats got to be really hard.That said, I sort of lean toward no death penalty but a miserable life in prison. I know it costs much more but sitting there, forced to watch reruns of Piers Morgan or something similar (is there something similar?)for the rest of one's natural life would have one begging for death.
Edited by Jimbeaux on Friday 25th July 15:18
J4CKO said:
Yeah, I had to take our old Spaniel and was expecting her to slip away slowly, as soon as the vet pressed the plunger she was gone.
My old jack Russell took 3 jabs but after the 1st she was fast asleep( and I was in tears) ...and they anaesthetise patients for surgery with no problem so it surely can't be hard! Knock them out and then pump the nasty stuff in.
Gecko1978 said:
Jimbeaux said:
I refuse to believe that chem-tech for a quick cheap death is not on hand; I know for sure it is. That aside, the electric chair, old sparky we called ours at the Louisiana State Pen, is not without trauma and messiness. I still feel the correctly placed bullet is the quickest method. It is also the cheapest, especially if you send the bill to the next of kin.
That said, I sort of lean toward no death penalty but a miserable life in prison. I know it costs much more but sitting there, forced to watch reruns of Piers Morgan or something similar (is there something similar?)for the rest of one's natural life would have one begging for death.
I think you sum it up nicely there are circumstances where it may seem best form of punishment not all killers deserve it but life can be really hard I say a guy on Trevor Mcdonald show who was in prison since 15 he was now 40 with no parol thats got to be really hard.That said, I sort of lean toward no death penalty but a miserable life in prison. I know it costs much more but sitting there, forced to watch reruns of Piers Morgan or something similar (is there something similar?)for the rest of one's natural life would have one begging for death.
Edited by Jimbeaux on Friday 25th July 15:18
It's like splitting up with a girlfriend. Tough for a bit but soon forgotten
Jimbeaux said:
I refuse to believe that chem-tech for a quick cheap death is not on hand; I know for sure it is. That aside, the electric chair, old sparky we called ours at the Louisiana State Pen, is not without trauma and messiness. I still feel the correctly placed bullet is the quickest method. It is also the cheapest, especially if you send the bill to the next of kin.
That said, I sort of lean toward no death penalty but a miserable life in prison. I know it costs much more but sitting there, forced to watch reruns of Piers Morgan or something similar (is there something similar?)for the rest of one's natural life would have one begging for death.
Isn't death row more expensive than life without parole? Or do Morgan's royalties tip the balance?That said, I sort of lean toward no death penalty but a miserable life in prison. I know it costs much more but sitting there, forced to watch reruns of Piers Morgan or something similar (is there something similar?)for the rest of one's natural life would have one begging for death.
Edited by Jimbeaux on Friday 25th July 15:18
ninja-lewis said:
Jimbeaux said:
I refuse to believe that chem-tech for a quick cheap death is not on hand; I know for sure it is. That aside, the electric chair, old sparky we called ours at the Louisiana State Pen, is not without trauma and messiness. I still feel the correctly placed bullet is the quickest method. It is also the cheapest, especially if you send the bill to the next of kin.
That said, I sort of lean toward no death penalty but a miserable life in prison. I know it costs much more but sitting there, forced to watch reruns of Piers Morgan or something similar (is there something similar?)for the rest of one's natural life would have one begging for death.
Isn't death row more expensive than life without parole? Or do Morgan's royalties tip the balance?That said, I sort of lean toward no death penalty but a miserable life in prison. I know it costs much more but sitting there, forced to watch reruns of Piers Morgan or something similar (is there something similar?)for the rest of one's natural life would have one begging for death.
Edited by Jimbeaux on Friday 25th July 15:18
Jimbeaux said:
I refuse to believe that chem-tech for a quick cheap death is not on hand;
Breathing of an anoxic nitrogen argon gas mix. Entirely painless, unconscious within 15 seconds, dead within a minute. Seriously, view the Portillo programme linked earlier, it is well researched, germane and regardless of your stance on the whole capital punishment debate will give you some intellectual foothold into "how" if not "whether" or "when".BlackLabel said:
Unless you believe in God, heaven, hell etc then why do people support the death penalty? So the killer dies and then what? The killer has left the victim's family with a lifetime of hell whilst they themself just get away with dying. Doesn't seem very fair to me.
The way American prisons are surely life imprisonment, no privileges and minimal contact with family/friends is a far worse punishment than death.
Exactly my point of view. Given the choice between execution and the rest of my life in prison, I know what I'd rather (mainly because I'm so beautiful I'd be passed around like currency).The way American prisons are surely life imprisonment, no privileges and minimal contact with family/friends is a far worse punishment than death.
Einion Yrth said:
Jimbeaux said:
I refuse to believe that chem-tech for a quick cheap death is not on hand;
Breathing of an anoxic nitrogen argon gas mix. Entirely painless, unconscious within 15 seconds, dead within a minute. Seriously, view the Portillo programme linked earlier, it is well researched, germane and regardless of your stance on the whole capital punishment debate will give you some intellectual foothold into "how" if not "whether" or "when".Jimbeaux said:
Einion Yrth said:
Jimbeaux said:
I refuse to believe that chem-tech for a quick cheap death is not on hand;
Breathing of an anoxic nitrogen argon gas mix. Entirely painless, unconscious within 15 seconds, dead within a minute. Seriously, view the Portillo programme linked earlier, it is well researched, germane and regardless of your stance on the whole capital punishment debate will give you some intellectual foothold into "how" if not "whether" or "when".Einion Yrth said:
Jimbeaux said:
Einion Yrth said:
Jimbeaux said:
I refuse to believe that chem-tech for a quick cheap death is not on hand;
Breathing of an anoxic nitrogen argon gas mix. Entirely painless, unconscious within 15 seconds, dead within a minute. Seriously, view the Portillo programme linked earlier, it is well researched, germane and regardless of your stance on the whole capital punishment debate will give you some intellectual foothold into "how" if not "whether" or "when".Assuming the death penalty is only reserved for the very worst cases then it's all about deterrents and retribution and there's not much point in making it an easier way out than American type life means life prison penalties.Which explains why the present issues arose in that the electric chair was arguably designed to make that end as nasty a deterrent as possible.Maybe what we're seeing in the case of lethal injections could be a deliberate policy of upping that deterrent/retribution factor again as in the case of the electric chair.Which is the only logical reason that supports the idea of the death penalty from victims/relatives point of view.
In general if it was just a case of administering a medical type aneasthetic,as in the case of a legalised medical chosen euthanasia type way out for example,then there's probably not many crims who wouldn't prefer to choose that than a life means life sentence in the US jail system.Whereas the idea of an unknown possibly drawn out horrible end that results in a lot of suffering might just make them think again before committing the crime.As for the rights and wrongs and morals who knows.
In general if it was just a case of administering a medical type aneasthetic,as in the case of a legalised medical chosen euthanasia type way out for example,then there's probably not many crims who wouldn't prefer to choose that than a life means life sentence in the US jail system.Whereas the idea of an unknown possibly drawn out horrible end that results in a lot of suffering might just make them think again before committing the crime.As for the rights and wrongs and morals who knows.
Edited by XJ Flyer on Saturday 26th July 23:41
wolves_wanderer said:
BlackLabel said:
Unless you believe in God, heaven, hell etc then why do people support the death penalty? So the killer dies and then what? The killer has left the victim's family with a lifetime of hell whilst they themself just get away with dying. Doesn't seem very fair to me.
The way American prisons are surely life imprisonment, no privileges and minimal contact with family/friends is a far worse punishment than death.
Exactly my point of view. Given the choice between execution and the rest of my life in prison, I know what I'd rather (mainly because I'm so beautiful I'd be passed around like currency).The way American prisons are surely life imprisonment, no privileges and minimal contact with family/friends is a far worse punishment than death.
snoopy25 said:
Hang them and then their is no issue about using the 'wrong drugs' ........
I think the drug business is aimed at ending their life without suffering. Ie the sedative to put them to sleep and then the big hitter to stop their heart.Hanging them would be seen as inhumane!
threespires said:
I say NO to state sponsored murder, no matter what the crime.
OH digs me in the ribs "What about teflon Tony?"
Well there are exceptions ?
Totally agree!OH digs me in the ribs "What about teflon Tony?"
Well there are exceptions ?
Leaving that aside, one certainty about the death penalty is it doesn't stop people killing each other. Since the penalty is (a) controversial, and (b) doesn't add anything, the world is better off without it.
Qwert1e said:
threespires said:
I say NO to state sponsored murder, no matter what the crime.
OH digs me in the ribs "What about teflon Tony?"
Well there are exceptions ?
Totally agree!OH digs me in the ribs "What about teflon Tony?"
Well there are exceptions ?
Leaving that aside, one certainty about the death penalty is it doesn't stop people killing each other. Since the penalty is (a) controversial, and (b) doesn't add anything, the world is better off without it.
It won't stop people from killing one another but it may well deter many. It will certainly stop the convicted killing anyone else thats for sure.
How do you know the world is better off without it? Is that just a gut feeling, a personal view or do you have some data?
Esseesse said:
AshVX220 said:
IMO, I don't think the first should face a death penalty, there's no doubt he committed the crime, however, it wasn't murder was it? I doubt h thought one punch could kill or intended his one punch to kill.
If not murder then what? I've heard previously that a single punch can kill someone. Is a deliberate act to harm someone which results in their death not considered murder? (and manslaughter more unintentional death through carelessness e.g. unsecured scaffolding resulting in death etc?)I actually thought it was manslaughter, but I see what you mean. Although a single punch in the right (or wrong) place can kill, it's rare. And most people when they punch someone, certainly aren't expecting them to die. I thought murder was the intentional killing of someone. Very happy to be corrected, every day's a school day and all that.
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