US Lethal injection crim takes 2 hours to die
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BoRED S2upid said:
Give them a choice. I'd pick a bullet or several.
I've said it before on here on a death penalty thread the reason they don't use firing squads or other messy methods is that the clean up can be a lot more traumatic for the poor unfortunate low paid prison orderlies who have to do the post death bagging up job. That's just a simple pragmatic choice in the situation. The electric chair is pretty horrific from the accounts I've read, terrible burns, smells and muscles so rigid and contorted they sometimes have to break bones to get them in the bag.It's a grisly business, bit of a poor do really paying someone $20ph to clean up that kind of mess, injection should be a bit more "clean".
BlackLabel said:
Unless you believe in God, heaven, hell etc then why do people support the death penalty? So the killer dies and then what? The killer has left the victim's family with a lifetime of hell whilst they themself just get away with dying. Doesn't seem very fair to me.
The way American prisons are surely life imprisonment, no privileges and minimal contact with family/friends is a far worse punishment than death.
I'm afraid I disagree on that issue.The way American prisons are surely life imprisonment, no privileges and minimal contact with family/friends is a far worse punishment than death.
If you don't believe in the afterlife in any form (heaven, hell, magic pixies, throngs of virgins, etc. etc.) then by definition, you believe there will be nothing. Like someone asking you what the view behind you looks like, or what your pre-birth memories are. I would argue that, rationally speaking, no matter what the conditions, many if not most prisoners would prefer to live than die.
FWIW I am banking on there being no afterlife. I think by the time I go, one way or another, I'll have had enough.
Oakey said:
shep1001 said:
If he had not of killed 2 people in cold blood then he would not of found himself in the situation he did. It took a while, so what, don't want to find yourself on the end of the needle then don't go killing people.
Typical PH response. God forbid there is ever a miscarriage of justice, eh?AshVX220 said:
Esseesse said:
AshVX220 said:
IMO, I don't think the first should face a death penalty, there's no doubt he committed the crime, however, it wasn't murder was it? I doubt h thought one punch could kill or intended his one punch to kill.
If not murder then what? I've heard previously that a single punch can kill someone. Is a deliberate act to harm someone which results in their death not considered murder? (and manslaughter more unintentional death through carelessness e.g. unsecured scaffolding resulting in death etc?)I actually thought it was manslaughter, but I see what you mean. Although a single punch in the right (or wrong) place can kill, it's rare. And most people when they punch someone, certainly aren't expecting them to die. I thought murder was the intentional killing of someone. Very happy to be corrected, every day's a school day and all that.
2nd degree murder defn: intentional killing; by extremely reckless conduct, intent to cause serious bodily harm, Deadly weapon doctrine, any weapon.
voluntary manslaughter defn: Voluntary manslaughter is the killing of a human being in which the offender had no prior intent to kill and acted during "the heat of passion", under circumstances that would cause a reasonable person to become emotionally or mentally disturbed.
So basically it might be voluntary manslaughter if you're provoked. I'm not sure if the guy who got punched could be described as provoking, he certainly appears to be non-threatening. There was arguably reckless intent to cause serious bodily harm, which resulted in death.
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